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Posted 7/11/10

LosingOrbit wrote:

If you've gotten the PM sent from me, let me know if you want me to use your name or not.


Yes, Use it if you think it will help.


Posted 7/11/10

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Unfortunately, you can't just say you'll volunteer to become a moderator. First, the admins would have to create a thread for wanted forum moderators, so that means you'd be going against hundreds of other people who want the same position as you.
That's just fine by me, when it's only logical that when the need arrives to have more mods, then the request should be made.

And besides, this isn't a job title in a sense that payment is involved. When the fact is this is a civil service for the betterment of civility.
Posted 7/11/10
My vote for all this is down. Hopefully we will see this new sectioning take place.
Posted 7/11/10
It would be like a 'wish come true' if it were to be implemented. Thumbs up!
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Meh I wouldn't mind separation seems like all ED is about religion. Yes I also agree it feels like the same people over and over again who hops on those threads, destroys them, and ends up turning into a flame war. To me lol it got annoying to the point I dont even go on them anymore.

Separation can also help the unique threads stick out even more rather then get bogged down so quickly. I am really open to discussing something new.
Posted 7/11/10

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Meh I wouldn't mind separation seems like all ED is about religion. Yes I also agree it feels like the same people over and over again who hops on those threads, destroys them, and ends up turning into a flame war. To me lol it got annoying to the point I dont even go on them anymore.

Separation can also help the unique threads stick out even more rather then get bogged down so quickly. I am really open to discussing something new.


So does that mean you'll let me use your name as an advocate for this proposal? It would really help. The more names the better.
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I am for the proposal, but I would like to point out a few things. Crunchyroll's userbase is fairly young, and while we have young people who are strikingly intelligent, very frequently young persons, without the ability or desire to actually debate and argue in a logical fashion, join discussions. Breaking ED up into various sub-forums is, in itself, a good idea, but it will not solve the issue of lenience. The regulations are very lax as regards substance. There are hardly any requirements pertaining to subject matter. Additionally, I find that it would be desirable for people using ED and its successors to familiarise themselves, to a reasonable extent, with informal logic and the most common logical fallacies. I say this because I have witnessed, no so long ago, that X member pointed out his slippery slope fallacy to Y member, and the latter brushed the warning aside and continued to repeat how allowing homosexuals freedom would lead to the legalisation to all or a number of acts of paraphilia. I am convinced it would improve quality if knowledge of informal logic would be incorporated into the regulations, as a recommendation, as it would prevent the oblivious from relying on their own ignorance to overwhelm the opposition.

Also, please, introduce stricter language requirements. Abbreviations are fine, like Dept. or Contd. and suchlike, but 'u', 'w8', 'y' and so on and so forth, are disgraceful.
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I am for the proposal, but I would like to point out a few things. Crunchyroll's userbase is fairly young, and while we have young people who are strikingly intelligent, very frequently young persons, without the ability or desire to actually debate and argue in a logical fashion, join discussions. Breaking ED up into various sub-forums is, in itself, a good idea, but it will not solve the issue of lenience. The regulations are very lax as regards substance. There are hardly any requirements pertaining to subject matter. Additionally, I find that it would be desirable for people using ED and its successors to familiarise themselves, to a reasonable extent, with informal logic and the most common logical fallacies. I say this because I have witnessed, no so long ago, that X member pointed out his slippery slope fallacy to Y member, and the latter brushed the warning aside and continued to repeat how allowing homosexuals freedom would lead to the legalisation to all or a number of acts of paraphilia. I am convinced it would improve quality if knowledge of informal logic would be incorporated into the regulations, as a recommendation, as it would prevent the oblivious from relying on their own ignorance to overwhelm the opposition.

Also, please, introduce stricter language requirements. Abbreviations are fine, like Dept. or Contd. and suchlike, but 'u', 'w8', 'y' and so on and so forth, are disgraceful.


I don't think the admins would support the idea of mods telling people that they aren't smart enough to post here. It would be nice if that could happen, but ED is just one section of the fairly large CR forums, and I doubt they would implement separate rules like those just for this part of the forum, since they would exclude the majority of members who might wander by this section.
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I don't think the admins would support the idea of mods telling people that they aren't smart enough to post here. It would be nice if that could happen, but ED is just one section of the fairly large CR forums, and I doubt they would implement separate rules like those just for this part of the forum, since they would exclude the majority of members who might wander by this section.


I don't mean mods telling people they cannot post here, but the incorporation of certain requirements in the rules akin to a disclaimer. In a nutshell, something among the lines of 'If you post in this section, you are taken to have adequate knowledge of X and Y and will be treated accordingly.', so that it will be impossible to simply brush logic aside.
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Posted 7/12/10

Cuddlebuns wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:

I am for the proposal, but I would like to point out a few things. Crunchyroll's userbase is fairly young, and while we have young people who are strikingly intelligent, very frequently young persons, without the ability or desire to actually debate and argue in a logical fashion, join discussions. Breaking ED up into various sub-forums is, in itself, a good idea, but it will not solve the issue of lenience. The regulations are very lax as regards substance. There are hardly any requirements pertaining to subject matter. Additionally, I find that it would be desirable for people using ED and its successors to familiarise themselves, to a reasonable extent, with informal logic and the most common logical fallacies. I say this because I have witnessed, no so long ago, that X member pointed out his slippery slope fallacy to Y member, and the latter brushed the warning aside and continued to repeat how allowing homosexuals freedom would lead to the legalisation to all or a number of acts of paraphilia. I am convinced it would improve quality if knowledge of informal logic would be incorporated into the regulations, as a recommendation, as it would prevent the oblivious from relying on their own ignorance to overwhelm the opposition.

Also, please, introduce stricter language requirements. Abbreviations are fine, like Dept. or Contd. and suchlike, but 'u', 'w8', 'y' and so on and so forth, are disgraceful.


I don't think the admins would support the idea of mods telling people that they aren't smart enough to post here. It would be nice if that could happen, but ED is just one section of the fairly large CR forums, and I doubt they would implement separate rules like those just for this part of the forum, since they would exclude the majority of members who might wander by this section.


I don't think you can say 'you're too dumb to join' but I think you CAN SAY "This post is too badly written, edit or remove please."

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I don't think you can say 'you're too dumb to join' but I think you CAN SAY "This post is too badly written, edit or remove please."


I don't think it should even be requested. Disastrous posts should simply be removed. If a member writes something to the extent that 'I think poverty is bad and it should not exist.', that adds nothing to the discussion and it is clearly contrary to the purpose of ED. Why show courtesy towards someone who does not demonstrate courtesy him or herself by reading the regulations?
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Posted 7/12/10

DerfelCadarn wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:
I don't think the admins would support the idea of mods telling people that they aren't smart enough to post here. It would be nice if that could happen, but ED is just one section of the fairly large CR forums, and I doubt they would implement separate rules like those just for this part of the forum, since they would exclude the majority of members who might wander by this section.


I don't mean mods telling people they cannot post here, but the incorporation of certain requirements in the rules akin to a disclaimer. In a nutshell, something among the lines of 'If you post in this section, you are taken to have adequate knowledge of X and Y and will be treated accordingly.', so that it will be impossible to simply brush logic aside.


There is already a sticky thread at the top of the section with guidelines like those. It doesn't say that we should have a grasp of informal logic, but it does state that posts should include content that can be elaborated upon and lead to substantive discussion.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:
I don't think you can say 'you're too dumb to join' but I think you CAN SAY "This post is too badly written, edit or remove please."


I don't think it should even be requested. Disastrous posts should simply be removed. If a member writes something to the extent that 'I think poverty is bad and it should not exist.', that adds nothing to the discussion and it is clearly contrary to the purpose of ED. Why show courtesy towards someone who does not demonstrate courtesy him or herself by reading the regulations?


details details.. all I'm saying is I have no problems taking exception to individual posts that violate... whatever rules we choose to set up.

I'll even go further... I think we should sit down and come up with some specific do and do nots for each topic. I wouldn't go to far though either. there's a difference between failure to debate and mere bad form.

just like there's a difference between "r U/18 QT 3.1415?" and misplacing a semicolon.


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So should I assume the bureaucracy is grinding slowly or that the answer is 'no'?
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1) I do not have a religion, but what makes me bring it up is religious people that post bull. They usually post something like this "If you dont follow a god you are not a human or you are going to hell". That just really ticks me off. I sometimes think the goal of some people is to piss me off and they achieve that goal when they post crap about how I will go to hell without a faith and why don't I have faith. Its bad enough when mormons come to my door, which reminds me of a funny story, but I won't get into that.

2) There should be a seperate forum about religion so I don't have to see that crap when I come to this forum(No offense to religious people that keep their mouths shut or posts about religion off of forums).
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