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Posted 7/14/10
I don't have much faith in humanity anymore but it just seems to be shrinking more and more lately. The "Utah" list, is a list of people are saying are illegal immigrants and yes there there are some on the list but this does not excuse the fact the level of detail that is on this list The list was obtained by a group of vigilantes that want these people deported and have sent this information to the u.s. customs office. We are talking about peoples addresses, ssn, working status even down to the detail when some woman are due for pregnancy. I find this to be really disgusting and invasive to be honest with you, Illegal or not this is a huge invasion of privacy and this could lead to a huge amount of violence if this falls into the wrong hands, which is probably already has. Listen people should try to come here legally and try to work for legal status but what these people are trying to do is just plain sick.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100714/pl_yblog_upshot/anti-illegal-immigration-groups-split-on-utah-list
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38234429/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jqfjMEGvQIw-THl1W1KVwyfudpVgD9GV59CO1
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/13/list-containing-names-purported-illegals-mailed-utah/#content
Posted 7/14/10 , edited 7/14/10
I find it hypocritical that people are trying to kick others out of a country that technically doesn't belong to them, but what do you expect? People in this day and age just don't give a shit about others. I say the whole world can go to hell, but that doesn't mean you have to go with it.
Posted 7/14/10

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I find it hypocritical that people are trying to kick others out of a country that technically doesn't belong to them, but what do you expect? People in this day and age just don't give a shit about others. I say the whole world can go to hell, but that doesn't mean you have to go with it.


Well said. Let the weak fall and the strong survive.
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Aztecnology wrote:


Well said. Let the weak fall and the strong survive.


Errr.... No.

Posted 7/14/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


Well said. Let the weak fall and the strong survive.


Errr.... No.



trolling is all he is doing but besides that read some of the yahoo news or fox news forum post, it will show the true nature people.
Posted 7/14/10
LosingOrbit pretty much summed it what I was thinking. Sad that humankind is getting worse in the speed of picoseconds.
Posted 7/14/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


Well said. Let the weak fall and the strong survive.


Errr.... No.



Errrrrrrr....... YES!

For you see, the weak will only taint the bloodline. Breed in strength and everyone benefits.
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Posted 7/14/10 , edited 7/14/10
Honestly, most of us outside the US have thought you were going or gone to hell already. Fox just makes me ill. Not that we're doing much better IMO but. Statements about Humanity or The World, or anything other than one person's particular patch of the US strike me as hillarious, since the vast majority (certain present company excepted) seem to live in their own little egocentric and ignorant little bubbles.

We're not much better. but we're small and live next to you. We're constantly reminded that the world doesn't revolve around us. As a result collectively we are I think a little more aware of the wider world here in Canada. Though... honestly. That's a generalisation I'm sure you can find PLENTY of boorish, ignorant and self centred Canadians if you left your bubble and looked.

(Edit, you're right, I think our little advocate of the failed ideology of social darwinism is trolling us. I promise not to feed it)

Posted 7/14/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Honestly, most of us outside the US have thought you were going or gone to hell already. Fox just makes me ill. Not that we're doing much better IMO but. Statements about Humanity or The World, or anything other than one person's particular patch of the US strike me as hillarious, since the vast majority (certain present company excepted) seem to live in their own little egocentric and ignorant little bubbles.

We're not much better. but we're small and live next to you. We're constantly reminded that the world doesn't revolve around us. As a result collectively we are I think a little more aware of the wider world here in Canada. Though... honestly. That's a generalisation I'm sure you can find PLENTY of boorish, ignorant and self centred Canadians if you left your bubble and looked.

(Edit, you're right, I think our little advocate of the failed ideology of social darwinism is trolling us. I promise not to feed it)



Social Darwinism my foot. The only thing I like to see is progress on a general level.
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Posted 7/15/10

Aztecnology wrote:
Social Darwinism my foot. The only thing I like to see is progress on a general level.


Uhhh....... could you please define your '"progress in general" ?
Posted 7/15/10 , edited 7/15/10

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Aztecnology wrote:
Social Darwinism my foot. The only thing I like to see is progress on a general level.


Uhhh....... could you please define your '"progress in general" ?


Simple. Always move ahead, never back. It's common sense. Even if we drag our feet along the way, the destination is the payoff. Captain Obvious saves the day again.
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And the above exchange has to do with invasion of privacy and hate crimes in Utah.. how?
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How extream is racism in Canada? I thought of moving there once. Surely it must be better than the US.
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I appear white, and I'm smugly certain most days that we are better than what I hear and see on american news and drama. but well... Racism directed at me tends to be limited to sotto vocce comments that imply I'm in cahoots with management becuase I'm white.

In Northwestern Ontario. The largest and most common ethnic groups, are third generation and pushing fourth they 'think' they're ethnic but they went to school with everyone else cheer the same hockey teams and complain about how 'Planet Toronto' is exploiting them all. Most other newer minorities are too small to be anything other than individuals to MOST people. But I've seen signs that racist attitudes prevail among some people. Being black, mostly would be something like .. I donno... having red hair or being noticibly tall or short. Not unoticed but hardly remarkable. On the other hand it sucks to be Native. At least, there's issues of poverty and past injustice and some prejudicial thinking. I know better than most since I'm 'stealth' native.

Here in Toronto, well the immigrant population is so large and so diverse I'm not sure what to say about it. A lot of people are fresh off the boat and have brought baggage from other countries but MOST people got the memo about leaving the violant shit at home.

Most of my coworkers do not look like me. and I have no problem with that.

one of the better known 'bad' neighbourhoods is predominately black, and is a dotted with a number of public housing projects.

The worst neighbourhood is probably a certain couple of blocks east of downtown where everyone comes from seirra leone or the congo... the problem there isn't becuase they are black it's that they are former child soldiers and other victims of savage civil war.

I think you can get an idea about how we feel about the LGBT community when I say that the top runner for Mayor this election is openly married to another man and that his being gay is never mentioned in any attacks ads. Or that we hosted the World Pride recently and have long had the biggest Gay Pride celebration in North America.

Compare that to how your country treats LGBT, and imagine a similar relaxation regarding race.

Will you never encounter prejudice? dream on. -I- encounter it often.

Will it hinder you in your life goals, job prospects etc.... Not as far as -I- (A white male) can tell. I wish I could be more positive but I don't want to give you false hope. Not far from Toronto is Brantford, one of the critical final stops on the underground railroad.

um... does that make things clearer?


Posted 7/15/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

And the above exchange has to do with invasion of privacy and hate crimes in Utah.. how?


The invasion of privacy and hate crimes is the enemy in need of defeat.
Posted 7/15/10 , edited 7/15/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Honestly, most of us outside the US have thought you were going or gone to hell already. Fox just makes me ill. Not that we're doing much better IMO but. Statements about Humanity or The World, or anything other than one person's particular patch of the US strike me as hillarious, since the vast majority (certain present company excepted) seem to live in their own little egocentric and ignorant little bubbles.

We're not much better. but we're small and live next to you. We're constantly reminded that the world doesn't revolve around us. As a result collectively we are I think a little more aware of the wider world here in Canada. Though... honestly. That's a generalisation I'm sure you can find PLENTY of boorish, ignorant and self centred Canadians if you left your bubble and looked.

(Edit, you're right, I think our little advocate of the failed ideology of social darwinism is trolling us. I promise not to feed it)



How extream is racism in Canada? I thought of moving there once. Surely it must be better than the US.
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