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Why do people think they deserve a free ride off of others work
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Are Federal government has spent so much money that they do not have they like all the states need to stay with in one. However the pass the buck to the states. I want the 17TH amendment replied this interferes with states right. A republic that we started with has very little in common with what was intended. The Elector college would have seen through the bull shit of the catch word Change. But now winner takes all the states electoral votes. we had far better check and balance when this crap did not happen.
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Whine Whine Whine, Who are you calling anyone an under achiever, To each person, they either have work, want work and those who want to lay around and skim off everyone else w/o doing something about it, and there are those who had work, are now either on unemployment trying to find work, or those who have lost their homes for one reason or another and can't work for fear their family will be separated from each other, or because they don't have a permanent address can't get work because of predudice against ones who've lost their homes, or cant work due to physical problems, like me, I have arthritis in both knees and venus stasis, I'm trying to lose enough weight so I can have an operation on my stomach so I will be made to become full quicker and still have the vitamins and minerals to lose further weight, then hopfully before I'm elegible for social security, rather than SSI, which I fought for tooth and nail. so don't you dare thumb your nose, or look down on others, except those who deserve it, and don't you dare thumb your nose at me!!


So you’re so fat your knees are bad plus bad circulation correct. Now getting fat is who fault, I deal with arthritis many mornings. I wish I did not have to move it hurts. That called getting old. If you worked for somebody else all your life and it was just a 40 hour work week did you really work that hard? The Obama plane is going to kill how I did it and the incentive work hard or even become your own boss is not going to be worth it. If I went back out now I could only hire 1099 subcontractor and illegal immigrants. Being a sub chapter S company it will be impossible and that why some of my friend, are waiting to see next year’s tax change. If it bad they do what I just stated or close. It will not be worth the risk and time needed. I work for me not the government so they can spend money on silly projects in their home state. -------------------------You worked and you got benefits that’s ok what about the ones that never worked and completely healthy and get the SSI. If I am not mistaken you get the same money is that ok with you. The government has promised stuff that they cannot deliver on, go figure there making empty promise what new. Obama I needed a sing he told the truth once. But dead fish McCain is not much better but he is man enough not to blame other for the mess. I did not care for bush that much but he conducted himself like a man.
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Are you implying that you didn't reap any Government sponsored benefits while you were growing up?
(Bitching only about "Welfare" - the ones that minorities are notorious for - is a very poor reason to get upset when welfare is spent on variety of people in different ways.)

Guess it's convenient for you to complain now since you've already reaped its benefit and now you're the one who is paying.


No I did not unless you call a crappy education a benefit. The prostitute that my mother was did when she was young.
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tarakelly wrote:

It's just more proof that our country is ruled by far-right extremist conservatives. You have to be crazy and extreme to think that words like "socialist" and "liberal" are insults rather than political ideologies. Open your eye's Head of the House and Head of the Senate and the president they all have far left views. Wake up smell the crap your shoveling.


It doesn't matter what his views are, what matters is his actions, and so far Obama and the Democrats have been giving into conservative interests for the sake of bipartisanship. Sure, some of the proposed bills like healthcare started out with very liberal/socialist provisions, but after negotiating with Republicans and letting them pretty much re-write the bill so that it benefits corporations, it is nowhere near socialist.

There may be so-called liberals running our government, but all they are passing is conservative legislation. If you actually read the bills and learn about what they do, instead of whining about how socialist our country is becoming without facts to support that claim, then you would realize that.


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The war is not adding that much cost to the budget it a huge lie that anti war protester put out.


You don't think $663 billion, which is nearly 20% of the 2010 federal budget, is a lot of money? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States



We all l read have a stand military so using just add combat pay and ordinance 500 billion in the last 8 years.


More like $500 billion every single year. I can't find any data on the U.S federal budget from previous years, but if we're spending $663 billion now then we must have spending at least $500 billion each year since we went into Iraq in 2003.

So if Obama is such a tree-hugging liberal who wants to take everyone's guns away, why has he escalated a war that benefits no one but corporations who make a profit off of our military being so huge? That doesn't sound far-left to me.
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tarakelly wrote:

I have work many years putting in 4000 hour in a year that twice as much as 40 hour work week. Now I am semi-retired what right do people have to my money that I have worked for? Why would I want to pay the way for under achievers?


The same way that you also about to benefit from government programs. Retirement = social security = a government program.

Shall we take this away so that you feel better about "NOT TAKING FROM THAT DAMNED GOVERNMENT?"

Also, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. One thing I don't recall him having done during the election is claim that he's so much more liberal than he actually is. I do, however, think socialist is not a bad thing. If people remember properly, socialism was utilized almost 2 years ago when capitalism failed.
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tarakelly wrote:

It's just more proof that our country is ruled by far-right extremist conservatives. You have to be crazy and extreme to think that words like "socialist" and "liberal" are insults rather than political ideologies. Open your eye's Head of the House and Head of the Senate and the president they all have far left views. Wake up smell the crap your shoveling.


It doesn't matter what his views are, what matters is his actions, and so far Obama and the Democrats have been giving into conservative interests for the sake of bipartisanship. Sure, some of the proposed bills like healthcare started out with very liberal/socialist provisions, but after negotiating with Republicans and letting them pretty much re-write the bill so that it benefits corporations, it is nowhere near socialist.

There may be so-called liberals running our government, but all they are passing is conservative legislation. If you actually read the bills and learn about what they do, instead of whining about how socialist our country is becoming without facts to support that claim, then you would realize that.


tarakelly wrote:

The war is not adding that much cost to the budget it a huge lie that anti war protester put out.


You don't think $663 billion, which is nearly 20% of the 2010 federal budget, is a lot of money? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States



We all l read have a stand military so using just add combat pay and ordinance 500 billion in the last 8 years.


More like $500 billion every single year. I can't find any data on the U.S federal budget from previous years, but if we're spending $663 billion now then we must have spending at least $500 billion each year since we went into Iraq in 2003.

So if Obama is such a tree-hugging liberal who wants to take everyone's guns away, why has he escalated a war that benefits no one but corporations who make a profit off of our military being so huge? That doesn't sound far-left to me.


If not at war how much money would we be spending on a standing military, by the way libertarian is far from being right wing. Smaller government stop the pork spending repeal 17Th amendment and the 18Th amendment replace the 18Th with Far Tax a libertarian Ideal that caught on. Your social life i could care less as long as you do not still or harm people. You want to do drugs have add it I could careless.
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tarakelly wrote:

I have work many years putting in 4000 hour in a year that twice as much as 40 hour work week. Now I am semi-retired what right do people have to my money that I have worked for? Why would I want to pay the way for under achievers?


The same way that you also about to benefit from government programs. Retirement = social security = a government program.

Shall we take this away so that you feel better about "NOT TAKING FROM THAT DAMNED GOVERNMENT?"

Also, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. One thing I don't recall him having done during the election is claim that he's so much more liberal than he actually is. I do, however, think socialist is not a bad thing. If people remember properly, socialism was utilized almost 2 years ago when capitalism failed.


What do you not understand, about semi-retired most the job highly skilled and dangerous and paid well. I stared a small home renovation company and made money that way, I am not wealthy but I can make do with my nest egg. Now I do use the VA for medical but that from serving in the military. My truck is 22 year old so why do you keep on in sting I live off the government. I probably could if liquidated everything I own. My property tax is less than 600 a year my truck and home owner insurance is less than 500 a year.
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tarakelly wrote:

I have work many years putting in 4000 hour in a year that twice as much as 40 hour work week. Now I am semi-retired what right do people have to my money that I have worked for? Why would I want to pay the way for under achievers?


The same way that you also about to benefit from government programs. Retirement = social security = a government program.

Shall we take this away so that you feel better about "NOT TAKING FROM THAT DAMNED GOVERNMENT?"

Also, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. One thing I don't recall him having done during the election is claim that he's so much more liberal than he actually is. I do, however, think socialist is not a bad thing. If people remember properly, socialism was utilized almost 2 years ago when capitalism failed.


Capitalism did not fail, the congress and lobbyist made it fail I did not like any bail out the dinosaurs should have die. All this billing out started well before you were born. And when the government should have interred vein they did not. BP oil spill with all the citation the rig should have been shut down. Banking across state line did not happen until the 80’s and many where upset over this. Partly their own, interest and what has happened. My problem with Obama is his visitors are mainly union officials.----------------- Way back I saw how the union and companies went on bargaining, both sides knew the contracts would kill the corporation off and union fund being missed used and stolen also happened.-and both sides knew these contract would harm the company’s--------------------------------------------------------------------------There plenty of black men I would like to see in office before an Ivy liege constitutional lawyer that only taught law set up Acorn and friendships with Bill Aires He looks good can speak well of a teleprompter otherwise he does not have a clue. Fanny may Freddy Mac private but government controlled. People getting, house loan with poor credit rating and if the bank did not do it they could not loan money to people that could honor their diets. Thank you, Jimmy Carter, for starting this mess. My biggest problem is Obama knew the job was going to be hard and finger pointing just makes him look weak.
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makix wrote:

Are you implying that you didn't reap any Government sponsored benefits while you were growing up?
(Bitching only about "Welfare" - the ones that minorities are notorious for - is a very poor reason to get upset when welfare is spent on variety of people in different ways.)

Guess it's convenient for you to complain now since you've already reaped its benefit and now you're the one who is paying.


it is a matter of record that White mothers receive more than half of the checks distributed under the auspices of the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program--55.2 percent, compared to 39.2 percent received by Blacks. Additionally, the U.S. Census Bureau reported in February that during an average month in 1990, 61 percent of major assistance program participants were White, compared to 34 percent who were African-American.



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tarakelly wrote:

I have work many years putting in 4000 hour in a year that twice as much as 40 hour work week. Now I am semi-retired what right do people have to my money that I have worked for? Why would I want to pay the way for under achievers?


The same way that you also about to benefit from government programs. Retirement = social security = a government program.

Shall we take this away so that you feel better about "NOT TAKING FROM THAT DAMNED GOVERNMENT?"


Assuming that the US welfare system works in a similar way to the UK, a government pension is basically "earned" through contributions/taxes paid throughout the working life. Indeed, here in the UK the State Pension is one of the few social security benefits that doesn't carry any perceived stigma.

I can kind of see where she's coming from, given the bad publicity that people on benefits get over here. It makes me angry to see people who won't work because they are happy with what the State (ie. my taxes!) give them. On the other hand, I am aware that these are a small minority, and that most people who are getting benefits have genuinely fallen on hard times. It's just a shame that that minority stigmatises them all.

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If not at war how much money would we be spending on a standing military


A lot less than what we're spending now, which is why we need to end them or at least scale them down. These wars aren't doing anything to protect our country, so there's no need to be in them.


by the way libertarian is far from being right wing.


I never said libertarianism is far-right, although from my experience many libertarians act and think like conservatives/Republicans, they just use a different name. I actually agree with libertarians when it comes to civil issues.


Smaller government stop the pork spending repeal 17Th amendment and the 18Th amendment replace the 18Th with Far Tax a libertarian Ideal that caught on.


Why repeal the 17th amendment? After doing some research, I keep seeing that people want to repeal it because it gives too much power to the federal government, but the text of the amendment says that it allows citizens to directly elect senators, rather than allowing state legislatures to appoint senators as it was originally written in the Constitution. Repealing that would take some power away from the citizens and give that power to the state governments, and I thought libertarians were all about smaller government? Advocating giving power to state governments while also advocating for smaller government is a blatant contradiction.

The 21st amendment was made to repeal the 18th amendment a long time ago, so I don't get why anyone is still demanding that we repeal it.
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tarakelly wrote:
If not at war how much money would we be spending on a standing military


A lot less than what we're spending now, which is why we need to end them or at least scale them down. These wars aren't doing anything to protect our country, so there's no need to be in them.


by the way libertarian is far from being right wing.


I never said libertarianism is far-right, although from my experience many libertarians act and think like conservatives/Republicans, they just use a different name. I actually agree with libertarians when it comes to civil issues.


Smaller government stop the pork spending repeal 17Th amendment and the 18Th amendment replace the 18Th with Far Tax a libertarian Ideal that caught on.


Why repeal the 17th amendment? After doing some research, I keep seeing that people want to repeal it because it gives too much power to the federal government, but the text of the amendment says that it allows citizens to directly elect senators, rather than allowing state legislatures to appoint senators as it was originally written in the Constitution. Repealing that would take some power away from the citizens and give that power to the state governments, and I thought libertarians were all about smaller government? Advocating giving power to state governments while also advocating for smaller government is a blatant contradiction.

The 21st amendment was made to repeal the 18th amendment a long time ago, so I don't get why anyone is still demanding that we repeal it.


I am sorry my mistake 17th was correct Senate being voted in by popular vote is a mistake it kills states right; the 16th amendment is for income tax. I would like to see the fare taxes take its place. For the 16th amendment and let the house the senate of each state picks the senators. The house was sit up for the people and the Electoral College has been under mind as well. Otherwise we might as will use the American idol floor mat to pick a president.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now tell me how you can call a libertarian a far right extremist is that I do not agree with you, because to me I do not care what you do as long as theft and violence or to infringe on other people rights.. I do not give a shit about god now I do hate people that kill in the name of religion. At your age you’re still too young to comprehend what’s facing you. If your high school teacher have feed this crap to you asked them if they ever had a real job and had to compete with other. I bet ZERO most teacher go straight from college to school room. If you real want to insult your teacher find out their SAT scores. I go by memory too much It si only twenty percent for the millitarary that good. Now how much did the goverment bring in and how much did it spend.
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A lot less than what we're spending now, which is why we need to end them or at least scale them down. These wars aren't doing anything to protect our country, so there's no need to be in them.


How is the war not doing anything to protect our country ? Its killing terrorists that would otherwise be killing American citizens.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


A lot less than what we're spending now, which is why we need to end them or at least scale them down. These wars aren't doing anything to protect our country, so there's no need to be in them.



Actually the invasion of Iraq probably saved the US economy and as a consequence, my own countries economy. One of the things that props up the US dollar and keeps people buying into the ponzi scheme that is the federal reserve and T-bills is that fact that it's the only currency in which the world trades oil.

Saddam was threatening/planning to start trading Oil in Euros. that would have been VERY VERY bad for the economy. I wonder if in 40 years we'll look upon bush the way we look on another unpopular president who got involved in wars and stood up to the enemy of the day. ...

President Truman.


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Cuddlebuns wrote:


A lot less than what we're spending now, which is why we need to end them or at least scale them down. These wars aren't doing anything to protect our country, so there's no need to be in them.


How is the war not doing anything to protect our country ? Its killing terrorists that would otherwise be killing American citizens.


That's a joke, right?

The terrorists make up less than half of the country's population. Most "terrorists" being killed are civilians incorrectly marked as terrorists. Don't take my word for it. Look it up.

Do you hold the lives of "American" (Youessian) citizens to a higher standard than those living in Iraq or Afghanistan?

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