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Funimation, Fansubs, and Buying Anime
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Posted 7/23/10 , edited 7/23/10
Funimation rocks to put it simply. They frequently license lots of good titles I liked and want to buy and stream stuff all their shows for free on their website. They're also one of the few companies that's guaranteed to dub stuff.
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Yeah they licence the good stuff. If you live where I do(Denmark) you get redirected from the site to this: http://www.navarre.com/funimation/.
I would like it they didn't shut down the access to the shows if one doesn't live in North America.
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I think that many people are still in the "4kids mindset" where they think that EVERYTHING that gets licensed here is going to be heavily edited. And if it gets a little bit changed (like in dialogue or something) it gets ruined. As evidenced with what happened with the series Dance in the Vampire Bund. Funimation was thinking that they should cut some of the scenes for fear that they would get in trouble by the U.S. government for some suggestive things that are in that show. When the anime fandom found out about this, stuff went flying.

Also, funimation has every right to give out Cease and Desist orders to fansubs. Why shouldn't they? They're the ones that paid some of their hard earned money to bring the series that they are bringing over, here to the U.S. (or whatever other country ) so that us fans can legally watch it. Why should fansubbers get to do it for free when Funimation and the like are paying for it? It seems extremely unfair don't you think?

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Posted 7/23/10
at: Skater_Alchemist

Ebay, and a friend of mine has a Video Club and has some strnage connections he got me Evangelion, love hina, Rurouni KEnshin Ovas and some others like that :D

btw: They come in their box set and all, not copies or DVD-Rs they are original stuff
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Posted 7/23/10
Funi is getting better first they sub it and see if you like it then you can buy it dub a win win
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Posted 7/23/10
To kjoeller10000: Yah, I hear that often of people who don't live in Northeastern Eastern Asia and US/Canada. I don't think that restricting videos and etc to certain countires like hulu does (plus hulu thanks for screwing PS3, I have to $9, not going to, for hulu when originally it was free through the web browser). Plus that funimation site is very weird.

To marrerotkd: That's amazing. Amazon also has great deals on many animes.

To Princess of Vampires: Thanks for the info, seriously that's one of the biggest complaints everyone has, but doing research from the original Japanese version to Funimation version, I NEVER see a difference. Unless it was one piece, lol.
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Fansubbing is something I allow, just due to the fact that outside of Japan we don't get to watch it on TV and we don't get the semi-lower (not much lower) prices that Japanese market enjoys for anime. So buying anime is much more of a complicated situation.
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Sorry but that's a load of bull compared to the Japanese we get our anime DIRT CHEAP. The Japanese pay roughly $50 (in American of course)(in for DVD single with 4-5 episodes on it. In comparison we can 13 episode BOX SETS for that price. Now if you want to go into manga, then we're paying twice what the Japanese are, as they pay about $5 for theirs and we pay between $9 and $ 12 depending on the publisher.
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To: Ninjahare, but they do get to view it on TV and preview it a lot easier. I
I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO BE MEAN, but I've never seen that to be true, every time I see Japanese anime being a lower prices.
Any links to back you claim?

You know what, I did some research and WHOLLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We basically stealing it compared to their prices!!!!!!!!
But I'm seeing that they get a lot more extras I see. This darker thank black vol. 8 I'm looking at gives you poster and I think 3 character figure things.
I'm never complaining about anime prices here again.
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Posted 7/23/10
Number of new Anime TV series this season (Summer 2010) released in Japan: 23
Number of those shows licensed in the US: 11 (between Funimation, Crunchyroll, Viz Media, and Anime Network)
licensed by Funimation: 5
licensed by Crunchyroll: 4
licensed by Viz: 1
licensed by Anime Network: 1

For the spring 2010 season the ratio was 10/35 (Crunchyroll: 5 Funimation: 5 AnimeNetwork 1(also licensed by CR))

(Stats pulled from The Fansub Wiki:
http://www.fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_SUMMER_2010
http://www.fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_SPRING_2010 )


As the above numbers show less than half of the Anime released in Japan each season is picked up here in the US. The above doesn't even include OVAs. The need for fan-subs is still strong and alive. They also show that Funimation and Crunchyroll are the leaders in the industry at releasing to US audiences.

Funimation is far from evil. They've done an great job with keeping up with technology and streaming to the web. They then take the money and time to release to DVD and BluRay on a regular basis.

As for their "changes" to some Anime this isn't their fault. We have some laws here in the US (UK has them too) that are very restrictive. Any depiction of "under age" characters in a "sexual" manner (even animated or drawn, which includes Manga and Anime) can get people put in jail. These "Child Protection" laws are to blame; not Funimation.

I fully support any companies right to license and distribute and thus issue C&D letters. They pay a lot of money to do so, just so we the fans can watch quality versions of our favorite Anime.

I also support Fan-subs. Without whom we wouldn't get to see half of the Anime we do today. They spend a lot of their free time and their own money to translate and subtitle with little to no reimbursement from the thousands who download and enjoy their work and rarely make enough money to keep their servers up and running. Until enough companies appear on the scene to license every Anime may the quality ones live long and prosper.











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Wow. Really drove a point there.
I didn't know the sheer number of anime that doesn't makes it to the states. That would make fansubs make a lot more sense.
The laws in the US and UK are something I didn't think about when it came to editing, don't know why but I never thought about that.
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Ninjahare wrote:

Sorry but that's a load of bull compared to the Japanese we get our anime DIRT CHEAP. The Japanese pay roughly $50 (in American of course)(in for DVD single with 4-5 episodes on it. In comparison we can 13 episode BOX SETS for that price. Now if you want to go into manga, then we're paying twice what the Japanese are, as they pay about $5 for theirs and we pay between $9 and $ 12 depending on the publisher.

I went looking for DVDs for a series that is not licensed here in the U.S., and the lowest price I found for confirmed legitimate discs was $70 each! Too much for a DVD that would not even have English subtitles, especially considering one can often pick up an entire series for about that price here in the United States.




fujisawamasamichi wrote:

Number of new Anime TV series this season (Summer 2010) released in Japan: 23
Number of those shows licensed in the US: 11 (between Funimation, Crunchyroll, Viz Media, and Anime Network)
licensed by Funimation: 5
licensed by Crunchyroll: 4
licensed by Viz: 1
licensed by Anime Network: 1

Of course, now you need to revise those numbers. It appears the Mitsudomoe announcement went up a couple of hours before you posted your message, however, so I am somewhat surprised you missed it.

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Posted 7/23/10
People watch anime and they pass it around. It's been that way since we could record them on VCRs. Buying them is just so... unnatural.

All jokes aside, I think a big problem is the lack or representation from the artists. It's a lot easier to steal from someone you've never met. Why should I care if I rob some big name company that probably makes a ton of money anyways. It's not like they actually wrote the material. Yeah, they may have edited it some, but there's people who will do that for free (sometimes with better quality). I mean, I can pretty much get a subbed version in a week instead of waiting months for a new dvd to drop. Talk about instant gratification. Why would I want to pay for it.

As for Funimation, they're improving. They're dubs used to be terrible. I wish they'd still stick with subs though. I was more of a fan to Gonzo. It felt like Funi targeted the early teens age group whereas gonzo went toward older teens.
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Posted 7/23/10
I don't think buying is unnatural. I'm a person whose not vocal about anime and I love watching my favorite anime over and over again. I need to buy it. To see the people who make it, watch the credits. Every time I see an anime company's economic report, their not a giant corporation as you say, they're in the red and disappearing fast.
Posted 7/23/10

PrincessofVampires wrote:

I think that many people are still in the "4kids mindset" where they think that EVERYTHING that gets licensed here is going to be heavily edited. And if it gets a little bit changed (like in dialogue or something) it gets ruined. As evidenced with what happened with the series Dance in the Vampire Bund. Funimation was thinking that they should cut some of the scenes for fear that they would get in trouble by the U.S. government for some suggestive things that are in that show. When the anime fandom found out about this, stuff went flying.

Also, funimation has every right to give out Cease and Desist orders to fansubs. Why shouldn't they? They're the ones that paid some of their hard earned money to bring the series that they are bringing over, here to the U.S. (or whatever other country ) so that us fans can legally watch it. Why should fansubbers get to do it for free when Funimation and the like are paying for it? It seems extremely unfair don't you think?



they send cease and desist letters even if it's series that is not licesned by them. One thing I am pissed off at funi is the dropping cased closed/detective conan and other series. They really to pick it back up and continue.
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