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Absolute Proof a Fetus is NOT Part of its Mother's Body.
Posted 7/25/10 , edited 7/25/10
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Posted 7/27/10 , edited 7/27/10
Your argument is centered upon the fact that an overwhelming majority of human beings have 46 chromosomes which exists in each cell of the human body. That includes the somatic cell, nervous cells, epithelial cells etc and egg cells. An egg cell consists of 23 chromosomes during its stay in the ovary. During fertilization, (union of a sperm and ovum who each of 23 chromosomes) the 2 haploid cells joins to form a diploid cell which is the zygote consisting of 46 chromosomes. Regardless of the a foreign cell penetrating the egg cell, she still owns the egg cell and the 23 chromosomes in it.

Now if you stick to your argument it means you are denying every female of all their egg cells being part of their body. Youre also denying that your own sperm cells are not part of your body. But If you believe that both reproductive cells are part of man and woman then, i guess none of us are human, since according to your logic, 46 +23 = 69.
Unless ofcourse a woman is born without any ovaries or are born with ovaries but are biologically unable to produce any egg cells or a male is born without any testicles or born with testicles but are biologically unable to produce any sperm.

Just saying.
Posted 7/28/10 , edited 7/29/10
To be honest, I don't really believe there's a right or wrong answer when dealing with abortion. It's like trying to push a brick wall: it just won't budge.
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Posted 7/28/10 , edited 7/29/10

LosingOrbit wrote:

To be honest, I don't really believe there's a right or wrong answer when dealing with abortion. It's like trying to push a brick wall: it just won't budge.

But pushing a fetus makes it budge.
Sorry, couldn't resist.

Please don't ban me Misses Forum Moderator.
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Posted 8/1/10 , edited 8/2/10
Your right if your talking about genes they belong to both father and mother. But abortion I am for if the father dose not want the child he gets the short end of the stick. Having to pay child support he needs to have a say in it as well as the mother. if she wants it then sing a waver on child support. I am tried of woman thinking of them self's as victim. Equal right mean equal response ability.
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Posted 8/7/10 , edited 8/8/10

SeraphAlford wrote:

Logical proof that a fetus is not part of its mother's body!

First Syllogism:
Premise 1: The mother is a human.
Premise 2: All humans have 46 chromosomes.
Conclusion: The mother has 46 chromosomes.

Second Syllogism:
Premise 1: A prenatal human is a part of its mother.
Premise 2: 46 chromosomes outside the mother's original 46 are a part of the prenatal human
Conclusion: The mother has a total of 92 chromosomes. (If A is a part of B and B is a part of C, A is a part of C. A brick on the wall of the house is a part of the house itself. 46 +46=92.)

Now we have a problem with logical consistency. It cannot true that the mother has 46 chromosomes while at the same time having 92. Since we know as a matter of scientific fact that all humans have 46 chromosomes then either the mother is no longer a human when she becomes pregnant or the zygote/embryo/fetus is not a part of its mother. Since we know the mother is a human we know that the fetus/embryo/zygote is not a part of the mother.

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Further Proof

Your first syllogism is flawed in several counts because your second premise is wrong. Not all human beings have 46b chromosomes, there are a number of genetic disorders that change the number of chromosomes in a human being, such as trisomy 21 (Down's Syndrome) or cri du chat syndrome, all which are classified as Aneuploidy.

Also, there are a very small percentage of human beings that have two distinct populations of cells with different genetic makeup. So that each individual cell will have 46 chromosomes but not all cells in his or her body will have the same 46 chromosomes.
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