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The End justifies the Means
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Thats not even close to the butterfly effect and yeah female animals well are not proven to have orgams but it accepted or the animls would have no reason to mate, they dont actuaklly understand that their race needs to be continued whatever who cares i am bored I will be in IRC in like 5 min dont go anywhere okay Quat
@waffle dude we are talking about the butterfly effect in relaion to the lives that we lost and I dont think that it can be even applied to this specific scenario but who cares I cant discuss these things I have enough to debate at school with my teachers why dont you join me and Quat ar IRC

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ok and no it is not proven. They mate because of instinct cause they know no better. And if humans were like animals we would mate a lot and would know no better as well. But since we dont I feel that this just proves again we arent like animals
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ok quater i will give you the 6 generation thing but that is not what i am talking about. I was trying to point out that one person could screw up some stuff for alot of people by there actions with alittle effort. This has been proven over and over.

Also i am not talking about evoultion. I am just talking about what we are. Also if you belive in god you have never thought about his teaching. Why do you think he said we were made in his image. Is he human? Does it mean he looks like us? If you ever had thought about his teachings you would of realized how right i am. I mean he said that as in we have the ability to control and change the world. We do this on a daily base without really doing much but liveing. He says we are supose to rule over the other animails. How do you know how he sees his? Maybe you just not thinking right. It would be better compared to a loin, or a wolf pack. There is always a alpha male to watch over the rest.

Also i know nukes have concret around them. That doesnt mean that one nuke can not cause a chain reaction. Also i didnt really say the usa. Do you know that india is number 2 in the world as far as amount of nukes. Also i know we are out sourceing to them and also hand out alot of tech to other countries to cover ourselves, but do you have faith that nukes in other countries have enouch stuff around there missles to prevent a chain rainaction. Also nuke planets do blow up like a nuke bomb and there is tons of them all over the world. Inaddation to that if one bomb goes off radtion can be spread all over the world. Maybe not in large ammounts and distance incress/decress.
O and to your animal thing ants do build villages. I mean you just proved my point in the way humans see themsleves. You saw a way of life greater than theirs. Not trying to sound like a hippi but have to say it. The way they life there way of life is cleaner and better for the world than ours. Try it is not advance in the way we think of things but it is also apples and oranges in a way. Also if humans are so grand and so diffrent from animals why isnt we can only talk to each other. We really dont understand what any other life form on the planet says. Which is probly the same for all the other animails.

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I specifically said Some do carry some of these Characteristics cause I thought of ants and the meerkats and thought of termites to.
and yes we cant talk to other animals. We cant even talk to most of our own kind. but that proves very little. And telepathy is arguemental to that. And we can nuke and cause events but it will not bring the end of the humanity. Honestly I doubt it will cause a nuclear chain reaction but more likely countries will ban together to stop the country that nuked because they are abusing their power to to high a degree. Probably not phase it much. ANd I meant if someone like Iran nukes us or North Korea not America nukes someone else. And we are more hated than India.
And maybe he meant he makes us in his image to take care of the World. Or to be able to destroy it. OR because we are literally like GOd. We cant prove either since we dont know God yet and wont till we die.
And I didnt realize you were argueing little effort thing. I think I was too. SO we agree on that one.
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. Do you know that india is number 2 in the world as far as amount of nukes..


Nope its number three after USSR and Inidia is cool dont say anything bad abou that
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poor Log.
Also to the village thing I specifically said villages that do not interact with other villages to a large degree. BAM!
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Ants also bury their dead. Random factoid. I watch Discovery Channel.

In a perfect world, nothing would ever have to be sacrificed ever. Flowers and drugs and sex for all the hippies with no stress. V

The end does justify the mean, in a realistic world. Dropping two atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima killing hundreds of thousands of people, ended WWII, minus the projected 5 million dead from a beach invasion of Japan and occupation to crush their military spirit(Iraq war). If you know of a real world situation that counters this pivotal life lesson, I would like to know.

"The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few."
Life is cruel and cold, in other words logical. Emotions rarely affect the outcome.

Stem cell research is going to become popular no matter how much it disturbs me. Killing BABIES to become immortal and perfect=Humanity as a parasite.

The end of Humanity can be achieved through the military tactic of Mutually-Assured Destruction(MAD). One nation fires, the others fire back, since they really don't know where the weapons are headed, they HAVE to launch(not to mention fallout drifts into anyone's airspace and kills, so no one can even avoid a large scale attack). Rational nations won't lauch, for countries with nothing to lose, IT'S FUCKING GAME OVER, WE ALL LOSE!

North Korea. But they don't have oil so we(USA) won't invade.
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GO lus
I agreee with Lus
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No was questioning the makeing us and his image because that is what he said he did. Maybe i am missreading that. All i was trying to point out is my view on what he ment by his image. I mean to say that frist thing you think is god like. Then you have to put what god like means into being a human. That was all i was trying to do. You can agure with my way of thinking but if you belive in god you cant change his words. Altough the meaning is up to you. Which is a major point in his teachings. I am intrested in to what that phrase means to you?

We dont want to go into NK because of how much they beat us in the past. Altough people say we pulled out too earlyer. So who knows,but they dont have china backing them anymore so we dont see them as much of threat is why in reality. Plus to be honest i dont think we care because they would have to attack japan befor us and they cant even hit them right now.
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My response to all this is: "Do watchu gotta do". If you got the power, don't hesitate to use it as long as it benefits you. Also, don't let anyone drag you down and in the end you'll be the one on top. That's my motto baby.
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The Pen I wasnt argueing about NK
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F*** YOU. In fact, a New York birdie, for being from my adopted homeland city and being so ignorant!

Vietnam and Cuba beat us, too. Soon Iraq will become a giant quagmire like Afghanistan. America isn't good at fighting terrorist cells. But the funny thing is Capitalism ruins their cultures worse than any bombs.
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The Pen I wasnt argueing about NK


no that part wasnt at you just the frist part. The nk part was about what lusulpher said about no oil is why we dont invade. O in to your oil point. I know everyone says this and that about iraq but do people that make all the comments about oil think. About how we were the ones that put him in power. Then also inaddtion to that we armed him and by doing that the surrounding nations. So i mean it was kinda our responseablity to do that.
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That is called the consequentialist principle, which is a feature of the ethical theory called Utilitarianism. "The greatest goodness for the greatest number."

Utilitarianism is the theory that the right action is one that maximizes utility. There are two types of utilitarianism. Act and rule Utilitarians. Act Utilitarians hold that the right act in a situation is that which results (or most likely result) in the best consequences. Rule Utilitarians hold that the right act is that which conforms the set of rules that, in turn, will result in the best consequences.

There are problems with this theory:

1. How can we know the consequences of actions?

2. Suppose you are a doctor who has 5 patients. One needs a heart transplant, the other a liver, the other needs two lungs, and the other two need kidneys. Now into your office comes a healthy bachelor needing a flu shot. You judge him to be in a very healthy condition. He will be a perfect to organ donor. If you believe in the greatest happiness for the greatest number, and the idea that the ends justify the means, there would be no doubt in your mind that you could do more good by injecting the bachelor a sleep-inducing drug and using his organs to save your 5 patients.
But this seems wrong does it not?

3. Here is another example, (you cannot change the situation or think of what if?)
You are in a raft with another man and you are both starving because you had been floating lost for weeks. One day you discover food hidden in a secret compartment and a map. The map tells you that there is an island close by, but the food is not enough for the two of you to survive and get to the island; however if one of you takes the food he will be able to survive until he reaches the island where help is available. You are just you, be a high school student, or whatever, the other man is a brilliant scientist who has in his mind the cure for cancer. What is the right thing to do? Who should take the food? If you think the ends justify the means which is a principle that is attached to the premise of the greatest happiness to the greatest number, then you would have to die, so that the scientist creates the cure and saves millions of people. Would you be willing to die? Or should you share the food and hope for the best?

Not always the ends justify the means.
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The Pen I wasnt argueing about NK


no that part wasnt at you just the frist part. The nk part was about what lusulpher said about no oil is why we dont invade. O in to your oil point. I know everyone says this and that about iraq but do people that make all the comments about oil think. About how we were the ones that put him in power. Then also inaddtion to that we armed him and by doing that the surrounding nations. So i mean it was kinda our responseablity to do that.


Research Saudi Arabia's competition with iraq, and the Bush family oil business, and Osama's family dealings with Bush Sr. and you will know why Iraq is the first to be invaded. BTW what happened to the oil fields they captured? They have already repaired them, but the oil isn't being used to pay for the war.

I smell disruption of the oil market to inflate Saudi Arabia's oil prices and Republican backed oil companies.

When I was 13, I made up my mind about that 3rd situation(high school vs. doctor). I would let the doctor kill and eat me if he must, maybe he would survive maybe he wouldn't, but I did my best for the Human race and that's all that matters. I guess I am a utilitarianist/pragmatist. And I like it that way, one person shouldn't mess it up for everyone.
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