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As a scientist I do not open my mouth until I do fully examine and study the subject. In other words I have studied Islam, and The qur'an.

What I have said was only the facts that can be found right in the qur'an. Leaving to think three possibilities about you 1. know little of your own religion, 2. you know you religion well, and your fallowing it to the tee by trying to blow smoke up my ass. or 3. Your the type of person the qur'an dictates will be going to hell, because you do not follow your religion down to the word.
Feel free to re-read your Qur'an you find I have not Miss-represented it in the least.

Because in my profession knowing is half the battle, and the gathering of knowledge is something I do well.


Darkphoenix3450 >> Hey Knowledge Man ! Do you speak & understand Arabic ?
Do you think we will give a damn thing about your Illiterate SORRY I mean your Knowledge ? Easy Easy Man relax & try another one Book Mmmmm I checked your profile By the way it's really you " Keep it up !!!


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Darkphoenix3450 i respect ur active , but i ask u to prove ur words if u r honest , just give us one evidence from Qu'ran istrength ur
opinion the charges u claimed about Qu'ran r not truth on the contrary those charges r in the distorted other holy books not the original ones & im sorry to say that but its the turth .

Our Qu'ran ordered us to believe other prophets and their holy books and if we don't we will be disbelievers .. not muslimes and we go to hell ..so what's ur opinion ?

hence if the Qu'ran is lying so the prophets in it r not ture ...
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ah so that was ur point from the you thingy .... sorry i thought u meant something else ^^

hmmm well yea kind of Relevance i mean i never asked any Atheists about that thing

so the first question are u one of them ? and the second do u really believe that or not ?


Depends on what you mean by Atheist. My personal beliefs are complex. sometimes even self contradictory. There are believers in this world who would call me Atheist or even Apostate (I used to belong to a christian church). Dark Phoenix wouldn't consider me a real atheist. I'm too wishy washy for him.

So first, I don't believe that belief in god, and accepting the theory of Evolution are mutually exclusive. You can find extensive arguments on the subject here on ED if you dig down into some of the older posts. On the subject of evolution. Basically... yeah. I believe and will continue to believe until a better scientific theory comes along that human life is part of this planet's life. I'll do you one better. I don't just think my grandfather to the 1000th power was the grandfather of all humans, apes, and other currently evolved primates. but that HIS grandfather to the 10 0000th power was the single celled animal that was the mother of all living beings on this planet.

Second, It's NOT god I have a problem with, it's most churches. I'm a student of history. More evil has been done under the battle cry of 'God wills it' (never mind the god) than under any other banner. I don't trust anyone who stands between me and god and claims that disobeying a human equates with disobeying god. I don't care if it's an American Baptist Preacher thundering fire and brimstone from his pulpit, The Pope, The ArchBishop of Cantebury, The Metropol of Orthodoxy, or name your Imam or Ayatollah or Caliph... They're just men. If I don't agree with them it shouldn't be blasphemy or heresy. I live in a country where I don't have to prostrate myself to ANY belief to hold a job. join an organisation or vote in an election. I like that. To any employer, politician, would be leader, I can answer 'none of your business' on religious questions and carry on with my life.

I hope this was helpful.




Hey, i know this is off-topic but your the only sane guy here willing to discuss anything, let alone the topic; so forgive me.

More evil has been done under the battle cry of 'God wills it' (never mind the god) than under any other banner.

Do you have any real proof of this? or is this one of those Gracy sayings? "99.9 percent of all fights end on wround, so one must learn ru rutsu, not other crap cause they no work. Leet beet of ru rutsu all need"

Cause it all sounds like jibberish to me. Who has taken these statistics to prove any of this? So people actually collect and categorise "evil" and "street fights" to prove what works best?

This may just be a popular saying that no one really means, or perhaps you were just joking, or maybe im delusional, but evil is subjective. Some of those "people" in history got just what they deserved, evil or not. In my state we would call it justice. peace over war
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we all pray for the same god --- > Allah
all the 3 religions came from Allah
but sadly some people had distortion the Bible and the Torah
so Quran is the only book that hadn't been distortion
but we can find some similar things between the 3 of them.

i feel sorry for the people who don't believe in Allah.
i am sure they will feel more better if they believe in Allah ... it is a good feeling to know that Allah is watching and protecting you....
also it is a good thing to know that there is a heaven and hell in the end.
people will be jagged by Allah and they should be careful about there acts.
so we should obey Allah

by the way people who don't believe in Allah ... do they believe in devil ?? ( just curiosity )
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Insulting words prove the weakness and voilence ...
if u want to share u must respect ur self and give the evidence..4 each letter and word unless u will be no sense

those who insult Mohammed (peace upon on him ) i want from them to know the jews them seleves mention his name while they r praying and u will see them proud that they killed Jesus ...the following is the evidence ... just watch it

http://www.archive.org/details/The_Absolute_Truth_About_Muhammad_in_the_Bible_With_Arabic_Subtitles




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In 11-9 attack the muslims and christians Employees went to their work in the two towers , and they had murdered there. if u notice that the only were absent the Jewish Employees so whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? and how did they know? and who told them!!!!

it is written in ur newspaper
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367#p20882

the truth


In the events of September 11

Mohamed Atta did not, and the hijacked planes, and knives, nor grieve ..
In the short film entitled annex last letter you will find the following
Planes are not the passengers
A private aircraft have been processed Btankat additional gas beneath them
And equipped with missiles in the forefront of
And Schahdonh in the film it before colliding with a direct fired missiles to occur a hole in the building in order to penetrate
Such is the argument of the destruction of buildings


Quote:
With the architects of skyscrapers Natahti confirmed that buildings are designed against aircraft crash
In 1945, a plane slammed into the clouds Bnatahp Empire State did not destroy it, but a fire in some of the roles
In 1988, as I recall a jumbo jet crashed into an Israeli building of 5 floors in the Netherlands did not destroy, but just some of the fire in the building
The plane, which they claimed to have crashed into the Pentagon did not destroy it, but some fire
This is unlike the analyst Frenchman proved in his book that there is no plane crashed into the Pentagon
Has been subsequently overlooked for news bombs that rocked the U.S. State Department and others to confine the crime in planes
What really happened that there was photographed from the bottom of the bombings Skyscrapers World Trade Center in New York in conjunction with the collision of the aircraft



The theme for the entire game no matter how open Ohbactha intelligence the United States and Israel for the invasion of the Islamic world And history of America in particular to fill out the killing of some of their own and some military units in order to justify military action
As for the Jews, it was learned that 4000 Jews did not attend the day for their work in the buildings
Jewish businessman, and sold all his shares of American Airlines flight on September 8



Real aircraft dropped over areas of uninhabited
But the media is detected, then pray for one it was on its way to the White House
As for Mohammed Atta and his comrades were executed them and hid their bodies as do the Mafia
And claimed simply that the evidence is to find a car rented by the book in Arabic on how to fly planes
Despite the confirmation of Britain's Guardian that there is no Arab name on lists of the flights
Although he has been district attorney Amir Atta Abdeen Cairo, the father of Mohamed Atta, that his son had telephoned him late at night on September 11, reassure him and he lives in the city of Miami, where learning how to fly it away from New York City more than 2000 km

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCcb6NV8Io&NR=1






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Darkphoenix3450 u r loser because u turn to other topic u have no sense ...

that's the topic about Post Reply Favorite the facts "truth" about how to read the Qur'an and how it is different than other religious text
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-651281/the-facts-truth-about-how-to-read-the-quran-and-how-it-is-different-than-other-religious-text/
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More evil has been done under the battle cry of 'God wills it' (never mind the god) than under any other banner.

Do you have any real proof of this? or is this one of those Gracy sayings? "99.9 percent of all fights end on wround, so one must learn ru rutsu, not other crap cause they no work. Leet beet of ru rutsu all need"

Cause it all sounds like jibberish to me. Who has taken these statistics to prove any of this? So people actually collect and categorise "evil" and "street fights" to prove what works best?

This may just be a popular saying that no one really means, or perhaps you were just joking, or maybe im delusional, but evil is subjective. Some of those "people" in history got just what they deserved, evil or not. In my state we would call it justice. peace over war


I don't know how popular it is. I'm pretty sure it's my own words. I don't have statistics but I am a casual student of history who has read a few books that didn't have "... for dummies" in the title.

the Albigensian Crusade
The Crusades in the 'Holy Land' especially the 'Children's Crusade'
The Inquisition
The Thirty Years War

That's only a short list and only really focuses on western christendom. I haven't studied the actions of Say... The Ottoman Turks as they carved an empire out of the middle east and the balkans.

Nor am I fully conversant of many sins of oppression and warfare that can be attributed to Eastern Orthodoxy. (However given the turmoiled history of the east from the fall of Byzantium on, I've no doubt there's some)

But if you look at any conflict up until say the 19th century. and at the very least there where clerics and chaplains of various faith effectively saying 'Praise god and pass the ammunition' and I think you'll find the majority of the ones from 18th century and prior to be, if not religiously inspired, then couched in strongly religious terms.

Nor has religious conflict ended with this or other more recent centuries. Just ask the Irish. Or the people of Lebanon.

so that's the backing behind my opinion as expressed in the words highlighted in blue. It's a fairly firm one, so if you don't buy it I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

(edit:) If you don't mind my asking what IS your state?



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neko-cat wrote:

we all pray for the same god --- > Allah
all the 3 religions came from Allah
but sadly some people had distortion the Bible and the Torah
so Quran is the only book that hadn't been distortion
but we can find some similar things between the 3 of them.

i feel sorry for the people who don't believe in Allah.
i am sure they will feel more better if they believe in Allah ... it is a good feeling to know that Allah is watching and protecting you....
also it is a good thing to know that there is a heaven and hell in the end.
people will be jagged by Allah and they should be careful about there acts.
so we should obey Allah

by the way people who don't believe in Allah ... do they believe in devil ?? ( just curiosity )


There are way more than 3 religions on earth, there are hundreds of religions.

Zoroastrianism --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
Raelism --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
Hinduism --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

to name a few.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


JJT2 wrote:



More evil has been done under the battle cry of 'God wills it' (never mind the god) than under any other banner.

Do you have any real proof of this? or is this one of those Gracy sayings? "99.9 percent of all fights end on wround, so one must learn ru rutsu, not other crap cause they no work. Leet beet of ru rutsu all need"

Cause it all sounds like jibberish to me. Who has taken these statistics to prove any of this? So people actually collect and categorise "evil" and "street fights" to prove what works best?

This may just be a popular saying that no one really means, or perhaps you were just joking, or maybe im delusional, but evil is subjective. Some of those "people" in history got just what they deserved, evil or not. In my state we would call it justice. peace over war


I don't know how popular it is. I'm pretty sure it's my own words. I don't have statistics but I am a casual student of history who has read a few books that didn't have "... for dummies" in the title.

the Albigensian Crusade
The Crusades in the 'Holy Land' especially the 'Children's Crusade'
The Inquisition
The Thirty Years War

That's only a short list and only really focuses on western christendom. I haven't studied the actions of Say... The Ottoman Turks as they carved an empire out of the middle east and the balkans.

Nor am I fully conversant of many sins of oppression and warfare that can be attributed to Eastern Orthodoxy. (However given the turmoiled history of the east from the fall of Byzantium on, I've no doubt there's some)

But if you look at any conflict up until say the 19th century. and at the very least there where clerics and chaplains of various faith effectively saying 'Praise god and pass the ammunition' and I think you'll find the majority of the ones from 18th century and prior to be, if not religiously inspired, then couched in strongly religious terms.

Nor has religious conflict ended with this or other more recent centuries. Just ask the Irish. Or the people of Lebanon.

so that's the backing behind my opinion as expressed in the words highlighted in blue. It's a fairly firm one, so if you don't buy it I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

(edit:) If you don't mind my asking what IS your state?





I agree that plenty of wars have been started and finished becauseo of religion. I just wouldnt say "most" wars. Becuase history class in Europe/ USA tend to focus solely on USA/ European wars. It's very Eurocentric. And i really was just being as asshole by saying this. I was just bored and saw a Gracy video and lost my cool. This wasnt even meant to be directed at you, but the Gracy is dead...


My state? I live in the USA. peace over war
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ok chill people!
there's something to straighten out.

1st: Islamic is not a evil religion, or the religion of devil.

2nd: Please show some respect to whichever religion that people choose. It's their religion and its none of your business.


3rd: The taliban is only creating evil and destructions under the name of Islam. What they preach is not real Islam.
Which bloody religion would command their own believers to self-destruct and bring all the innocents along with it??? The answer is definitely not Islam, its not the Quran. The Quran preaches peace, love all human. Everyone are brothers and sisters.


4th: Humans are a greedy species, no matter which religion. Read your history books, there are really more religion-related wars. Religion has been abused in the excuse of war several times in history, not just for the Islam. Don't tell me the Christians have never waged wars towards the Catholics? Its just history repeating itself now. Islam is being being abused by certain terrorist groups and the whole world puts it in bad light, that's all there is to it.


Please go read up before discriminating the Quran without any real proofs! There can be peace between Christians and Muslims even their holy books and the religions itself are contradicting in many ways. Here in my country, people of both religions (in fact more than just these 2 religions) can co-exist in a totally peaceful and harmonious manner. Please just give each other a little more tolerance and some understandings.
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ok chill people!
there's something to straighten out.

1st: Islamic is not a evil religion, or the religion of devil.

2nd: Please show some respect to whichever religion that people choose. It's their religion and its none of your business.

3rd: The taliban is only creating evil and destructions under the name of Islam. What they preach is not real Islam.
Which bloody religion would command their own believers to self-destruct and bring all the innocents along with it??? The answer is definitely not Islam, its not the Quran. The Quran preaches peace, love all human. Everyone are brothers and sisters.

4th: Humans are a greedy species, no matter which religion. Read your history books, there are really more religion-related wars. Religion has been abused in the excuse of war several times in history, not just for the Islam. Don't tell me the Christians have never waged wars towards the Catholics? Its just history repeating itself now. Islam is being being abused by certain terrorist groups and the whole world puts it in bad light, that's all there is to it.


Please go read up before discriminating the Quran without any real proofs! There can be peace between Christians and Muslims even their holy books and the religions itself are contradicting in many ways. Here in my country, people of both religions (in fact more than just these 2 religions) can co-exist in a totally peaceful and harmonious manner. Please just give each other a little more tolerance and some understandings.
Objection Savvy!

And if you want factual proofs, then I've got your proofs courtesy of the moderate Muslim community right here.
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Lol... Ok I accept your objection.
I'm not a muslim to begin with, but I know and mix around with more muslims than you do.
The internet page that you linked cannot really proof anything either. There is a high chance any text can be bias. History texts are bias too. If you've studied history, you should know that. Every country writes their own text and put themselves in a good light. There's no human that would not be unbias.
What is the origin of the "proof" you showed in this link?
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html

To what extent is this text unbias? To what extent can people believe in every words that we read here?
To believe or to trust in "proofs" is up to the individual. But as history students, we study how to differentiate bias from unbias text, what's real, and what's propaganda. Here's the thing dude, your link has too much provocative words, too much subjective words like "deceptive", "incompetence", "most glaring absurdities of islam", etc.
So what makes you think you're really reading the truth?
Wake up brother, you're just reading another propaganda.
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I'm Muslim.

Don't fuck with my religion, or else.
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Lol... Ok I accept your objection.
I'm not a muslim to begin with, but I know and mix around with more muslims than you do.
The internet page that you linked cannot really proof anything either. There is a high chance any text can be bias. History texts are bias too. If you've studied history, you should know that. Every country writes their own text and put themselves in a good light. There's no human that would not be unbias.
What is the origin of the "proof" you showed in this link?
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html

To what extent is this text unbias? To what extent can people believe in every words that we read here?
To believe or to trust in "proofs" is up to the individual. But as history students, we study how to differentiate bias from unbias text, what's real, and what's propaganda. Here's the thing dude, your link has too much provocative words, too much subjective words like "deceptive", "incompetence", "most glaring absurdities of islam", etc.
So what makes you think you're really reading the truth?
Wake up brother, you're just reading another propaganda.
Objection Whiplash!

Furthermore, your "bias" view of a historian cannot disprove a positive historical document, which in this case are the exact quotes within the Islamic holy texts that justify lying:

Provisions for lying in Islam

Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:

* War is deception.
* The necessities justify the forbidden.
* If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.

These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:

" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.(citation)
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