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Posted 8/4/10 , edited 8/4/10

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Oh man, that's where you failed miserably, it's only after the complaints that they added a few of those simulcasts in and not everyone is into the same stuff,


Its only one that they added later, so that's 13/15 that were streamed to the UK on first release.


take me for example, i only watch 6-8 of the 15 casts you listed there,


A simulcast is basically equivalent to one DVD disc's worth of episodes per month. 6-8 simulcasts is 6-8 DVD's worth of episodes. That's better than a 1 disc at a time unlimited Netflix subscription for most people, which costs more. And its the current season, not titles on DVD months (or more) after their initial DVD release, a year or more after their broadcast. I never used the Ozzie versions when I lived in Oz, Quickflix and the one from the telco, but they're similar ... I can't believe there is not something similar in the UK for a similar price.


that said, the general anime catalog on this site is full of shows i really want to see (only because they look interesting enough) but can't because there aren't for my region, putting that aside too, let's get on the Drama, i can't see any of the Drama here except RH Plus, car vids, parkour and cosplayers (what the shit, lol).


Most of the catalog titles are available on DVD, which means many are readily available in countries that have online DVD rental companies. The simulcasts is where I see what I can't see elsewhere. But I hope that the classic SF anime movies that they have are not restricted to the US, it would be a shame if they could not be seen widely.

If drama's were bundled into the basic anime membership, that'd be a point. But for people who can't get dramas, they have the same option as for those of us who don't really care about the dramas - which is, don't pay anything extra to add the drama membership. I watched the ads when watching the cosplay doco - sometimes the ads were an upgrade in quality of entertainment.


Also, i'm not only referring to the UK but the rest of the World's premium users who pay for this service and can't watch jack.


That's who I was thinking of: the people who really have a limited selection. Its an awfully big blanket covering those who get 90%+ of the simulcasts and those who get less than 20%. In terms of access, UK members are a lot closer to US members than they are to Southeast Asian members.


And no offense but i think you live in a jar if you think Hulu works here in the UK or any other place apart from the US and Canada and such, the youtubes as well are blocked but i don't pay for them so i'll be a fool to complain.


That was my bloody point: what percentage of Hulu/Funimation does the UK get? 0%, that's what. Viz' site is a front end for Hulu, so its blocked everywhere except the US. YouTube technically supports streaming to any country that the rights holder designates ... but nobody with a YouTube channel is aggressively pursuing that option. Doing zero for UK fans means they don't have to worry about complaints about individual series with region blocks ... the only UK viewers they get are watching through proxy servers.


Bottom line, we pay the same amount, some might say even more (exchange rates and all) but i'm not too sure, so why don't we get the same service,


But more service than was available to any member at the same price a year ago. And more service at the same price than was available to UK members a year ago. The price of an anime membership did not go up because an R1 distributor started streaming a catalog title (and possibly just a teaser at that) to North American members.


if they say it isn't CR's fault and there's nothing they can do about it then they should reduce the price for non US Prem members or try and DO something about the licenses, that is all


Yes! They took door number TWO, "doing something about the licenses"! They have obviously focused on simulcasts that they can stream outside of the United States. Getting to 15/15 available in the Nordic countries, 14/15 available in the UK and Ireland, 12/15 available in the Netherlands ... none of that just happened by accident. It could only happen because they are doing something about the licenses.

But demanding that Crunchyroll "do something" about a series licensed over three years old is demanding that Crunchyroll go back in a time machine and rewrite contracts that were written back when Crunchyroll was still streaming bootlegs.
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nice anime.... but i have watched it before
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Well I have already watched 5 episodes of this Anime and will be watching more tomorrow :-)

So thank you Crunchyroll for bringing this one to my attention, its just a shame I cant watch the rest of them through a legal source.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10

agila61wrote: Its only one that they added later, so that's 13/15 that were streamed to the UK on first release.


I don't think you understand what i mean when i say people have different tastes, stop looking at it from a general point of view. Out of the 13 or so, i only watch 6-8, not all are my kind of anime, and please don't count that 5 minute rubbish they put in recently (one-eyed dragon or so)


A simulcast is basically equivalent to one DVD disc's worth of episodes per month. 6-8 simulcasts is 6-8 DVD's worth of episodes. That's better than a 1 disc at a time unlimited Netflix subscription for most people, which costs more. And its the current season, not titles on DVD months (or more) after their initial DVD release, a year or more after their broadcast. I never used the Ozzie versions when I lived in Oz, Quickflix and the one from the telco, but they're similar ... I can't believe there is not something similar in the UK for a similar price.


Like i said earlier, these titles, even when sugar coated with the label "simulcast", can always be watched elsewhere a day or two after release, yes it's illegal but they can still be watched nonetheless so for me, that's not the reason for paying. Oh and i forgot to say, 3 of those simulcasts have manga i read frequently, up to date even, so i really only do watch them weeks after they've been put out which is when they're up for free anyway.


Most of the catalog titles are available on DVD, which means many are readily available in countries that have online DVD rental companies. The simulcasts is where I see what I can't see elsewhere. But I hope that the classic SF anime movies that they have are not restricted to the US, it would be a shame if they could not be seen widely.


Sorry but i don't go out looking for DVDs in the shops or online for that matter as i'm more of a games person, i'll rather come here where it's all cataloged and watch what i can in my free time, but even that doesn't matter as the main question is, why do you guys get to see these catalogs and not us just because you live at a certain area when we pay the exact same price? which is why i say a slight reduction in price would make more sense, or increasing yours so we don't feel cheated, lol. But i know that's asking for a lot as the prices are as low as possible already, which is why i said they should fix the licenses, after all, the memberships do pay for the licenses right?


That's who I was thinking of: the people who really have a limited selection. Its an awfully big blanket covering those who get 90%+ of the simulcasts and those who get less than 20%. In terms of access, UK members are a lot closer to US members than they are to Southeast Asian members.


And that's exactly what i'm on about, why charge everyone the same price and give some half the service? It makes no sense so even if you say the UK gets more than the rest, it's still our right to complain along with them as we don't get a full service, there's no point trying to single us out and say we get a better service when our complaints still apply to the general non US/Canada members who you say get far worse than we do.


That was my bloody point: what percentage of Hulu/Funimation does the UK get? 0%, that's what. Viz' site is a front end for Hulu, so its blocked everywhere except the US. YouTube technically supports streaming to any country that the rights holder designates ... but nobody with a YouTube channel is aggressively pursuing that option. Doing zero for UK fans means they don't have to worry about complaints about individual series with region blocks ... the only UK viewers they get are watching through proxy servers.


But i said this earlier, we don't pay for any of those services so if they don't work over here, we really can't complain can we? especially the youtube channels, they're free to watch so if i can watch Buccano there but not Soul Eater, i really can't complain because it's a free service.



if they say it isn't CR's fault and there's nothing they can do about it then they should reduce the price for non US Prem members or try and DO something about the licenses, that is all



Yes! They took door number TWO, "doing something about the licenses"! They have obviously focused on simulcasts that they can stream outside of the United States. Getting to 15/15 available in the Nordic countries, 14/15 available in the UK and Ireland, 12/15 available in the Netherlands ... none of that just happened by accident. It could only happen because they are doing something about the licenses.


Maybe i should have written it like this "or try and DO something about the CATALOG licenses, that is all" then you would understand, i really am growing tired of repeating this gist, but it sounds to me (again) like you're trying to say that 14 (simuls) to max 60 (+watchable cats) anime titles, where you might only like 6 to max 35 of, out of 100+ on deck is the same as having all 100+ readily available, sigh :(


But demanding that Crunchyroll "do something" about a series licensed over three years old is demanding that Crunchyroll go back in a time machine and rewrite contracts that were written back when Crunchyroll was still streaming bootlegs.


Yes, if it's possible then by all means they should, but on a much more realistic note if they can't fix them they should just stop updating catalogs with new goods and making news about it like they did here, one might say they had all this negative chatter only because they posted some useless news, to many others as well as myself it's useless anyway, i mean the same method they use in blocking us from being able to watch these cat anime should be applied to the news posts regarding these blocked cats so we don't ever feel cheated, or are they just telling me i'm a loser for not living in the US or Canada? Nonsense!
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This seems like another anime which will follow a very predictable formula for the story... ugh the anime industry needs to start producing more original shows (like one piece, death note, bleach, etc) its going down hill and I'm losing interest as an adult who watches anime. I don't see myself watching anime anymore after my fav shows come to an end...
Posted 8/5/10
such a great anime i wish its licences to my region
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z33lnr44l wrote:

Maybe i should have written it like this "or try and DO something about the CATALOG licenses, that is all" then you would understand, i really am growing tired of repeating this gist, but it sounds to me (again) like you're trying to say that 14 (simuls) to max 60 (+watchable cats) anime titles, where you might only like 6 to max 35 of, out of 100+ on deck is the same as having all 100+ readily available, sigh


But to be clear, what you are talking about is raising the price on those who have no restrictions, because the majority of the revenue in the site goes back to the original rights holders, and there is no a margin in the current subscription to cover managing a price system that will be different from country to country and from month to month.

A higher subscription price in the US to cover extra admin means fewer US subscribers.

Fewer total subscribers means the average subscription prices have to be raised, so that people who get smaller discounts will end up paying the same or more as before the complicated pricing scheme was put in place.

So you are talking about raising your own subscription prices for the satisfaction of seeing the subscription prices paid by US subscribers go up even faster, and (since the growth in subscribers is one of the arguments Crunchyroll uses to land streaming licensed), in return everyone gets fewer anime to watch.

Sure, maybe what you were arguing for was different from that, but when a business makes choices, it does not get to duck out on the financial consequences of those choices. A discount system means higher average subscription prices and fewer series available to the people in the high coverage countries, including the UK.



But demanding that Crunchyroll "do something" about a series licensed over three years old is demanding that Crunchyroll go back in a time machine and rewrite contracts that were written back when Crunchyroll was still streaming bootlegs.


Yes, if it's possible then by all means they should, but on a much more realistic note if they can't fix them they should just stop updating catalogs with new goods


To be fair, that also means they should not add series available in the UK unless they are available worldwide outside of Japan. Region block in Mongolia: don't add. Region block in Korea: don't add. Region Block in Argentina: don't add. Even if its available in the UK.

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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YAY!! I love this anime series! I watched all the episodes already on adult swim, but it's worth watching again. I just wish they would keep the story going. The series is so short.
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Wow! you really do go trigger happy with those quotations don't you, please refrain from editing my posts to fit yuor replies, that's just wrong, here's what i wrote:

Yes, if it's possible then by all means they should, but on a much more realistic note if they can't fix them they should just stop updating catalogs with new goods and making news about it like they did here, one might say they had all this negative chatter only because they posted some useless news, to many others as well as myself it's useless anyway, i mean the same method they use in blocking us from being able to watch these cat anime should be applied to the news posts regarding these blocked cats so we don't ever feel cheated, or are they just telling me i'm a loser for not living in the US or Canada? Nonsense!


In other words they should stop making news about this kind of stuff if not everybody can watch it, but seeing as they have to advertise and so have to put it up on the news page they can just make it so we who can't view certain restricted content can't see these updates about them, how the hell do you take that to meaning they should stop adding anime? please, i really want to know.

Now about prices, i never asked for a discount, i said i understand the price is already as low as can be and i'm not asking for a price drop or increase in price of US members either (READ my last post properly) i just want them to fix the whole back catalog or at least a reasonable amount of it so one can justify paying for a Premium since even when paying the same price as US & Canada i don't get the same service, which seems unfair as i'm pretty sure there are no plans for adding most of the back catalog anyway.

Now if you have anything to add to all this then please feel free to quote me and reply and such but if it's only going to be more of your chat about UK members complaining and such keep it to yourself, i really can't be arsed anymore :D
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Oh yay! I love this show. Thank you CR!
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OMG!!! I love this anime
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Posted 8/5/10

z33lnr44l wrote:

In other words they should stop making news about this kind of stuff if not everybody can watch it, but seeing as they have to advertise and so have to put it up on the news page they can just make it so we who can't view certain restricted content can't see these updates about them, how the hell do you take that to meaning they should stop adding anime? please, i really want to know.


I read "making news" as making news, doing the thing that is news. In this case, adding the anime.

Region blocking news stories would lead to charges of censorship. They should put the region so it shows up in the intro section, so people outside the region don't have to click through to the full story to find out ... but region blocking the news is crazy.


Now about prices, i never asked for a discount, i said i understand the price is already as low as can be and i'm not asking for a price drop or increase in price of US members either (READ my last post properly) i just want them to fix the whole back catalog or at least a reasonable amount of it so one can justify paying for a Premium since even when paying the same price as US & Canada i don't get the same service, which seems unfair as i'm pretty sure there are no plans for adding most of the back catalog anyway.


You said either give a discount or "fix it", how was I supposed to know you only meant half of what you said?

The only way to "fix" the back catalog is to keep doing what they are doing. They get the widest regional distribution that they can, they get catalog rights to simulcasts when they can, as the simulcasts that they have catalog rights to populate the catalog, the regional coverage of the catalog will expand.

Like you said, different people have different tastes, and its impossible for any one operation to satisfy every taste. As long as Crunchyroll can provide service that satisfies the needs of a growing number of viewers outside the US, it can continue to grow its international viewership, and as it continues to grow its international viewership, that is what allows it to provide more anime to its international viewers.

If there are people who reckon that under twenty pence an episode is too expensive, that's what the ad-streams are there for.

And sure, Crunchyroll takes a loss on ad revenues in some countries outside the United States not covering the hosting costs and royalties, which Funimation and Viz are not willing to do, but long term Crunchyroll is better off taking those losses and growing its audience to get to the point where they can start landing some big international advertisers to support more coverage in more countries.
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This is a great show. Glad to hear it made its way onto Crunchyroll
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Does any one know when more episodes (5 -26) will be uploaded?
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I really like this anime so far. Wonderful graphics and great story.
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