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The state of anime from some of the greatest poducers of the Genre
Posted 8/5/10
To some of the greatest anime directors to grace us with such great titles they think that anime is coming to end. They feel like there is no originality anymore and the art of story telling their narrative has come to dead end. Below are some quotes that I pulled up from interviews that they have done this year. So what are your thoughts and opinions on this subject?




"Hayao Miyazaki, director of Nausicaä, Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away
>"I think Japanese animation is facing a dead end," he said.
>"I think there is a chance that the spread of Japanese animation overseas might only lead to embarrassment."
>And he described younger anime makers as the "copycat generation".

Yoshiyuki Tomino, creator of the Gundam franchise
>"All I can say is that the creative process in Japan is obviously showing a decline."

Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion
>He feels anime industry is exhausted : A continuing trend of stagnation.
>And said "over the past years, there has been no anime "newer" than Eva."

Yutaka Yamamoto, former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:
>Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari and Railgun win the Otaku market.
>Your anime is always going to end up on Youtube. We're reaching the end of being able to sell home video. We're probably going to back to toy-funded business models of past: give anime away, try to sell toys.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10
That`s not a good thing to hear(read-.-)... D:
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Its not a good thing to hear but its kind of the truth. The number of good animes have really gone down in the past few years and a lot do simply copy things from others. You don't see too many unique animes like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, and Irresponsible Captain Tylor anymore and the market is far too oversaturated with ecchi animes that generally focus more on panty shots than having a good story or characters. This year hasn't been as bad as last year though and there have been some good things to come out.
Posted 8/5/10

Laharlt wrote:

Its not a good thing to hear but its kind of the truth. The number of good animes have really gone down in the past few years and a lot do simply copy things from others. You don't see too many unique animes like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, and Irresponsible Captain Tylor anymore and the market is far too oversaturated with ecchi animes that generally focus more on panty shots than having a good story or characters. This year hasn't been as bad as last year though and there have been some good things to come out.


I some what agree with but i am so used to ecchi series because I used to watch the classic series like ranma 1 1/2 where there was nudity all time and most anime for the 80's and 90's had a lot of bare breast in which case do not bother me. what bothers me is the lack of Originality in shows in this day and age, it is all just copy and paste stories over and over again. I am a fan of harem/loli/comedy/slice of life and i am getting sick of seeing the same old shit over and over again, but to be fair that's what sales and makes money.

Some series like Dennou Coil which i am users 90% of the people here have never heard of is completely ignored not even worth watching to them. I really love that series and I love the way the story/narrative turns out in the end. Sorry for the rambling
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Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10
Those directors/creators spoke the truth! I've been watching anime for more than a decade and I've seen all kinds of genres and plots including anime from the late 70's. It seems that anime nowadays are just mere clones from 80's and 90's and indeed they compensate their lack of originality with fanservice, fancy animation and flashy fight scenes.
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Alright Im gona put an end to the "Animes aren't original anymore" debate right now. Lets think about it. As the years go by....the amount of Originality that can be used in animes decrease.....this will always be the case. The early animes had A TON of Originality because the amount of original idea being used was very little. I think its one of the dumbest things to say today that the anime of today is losing its originality.....NO SHIT! Every new idea that comes out means there is 1 less original idea to be discovered. I would imagine that its common sense that animes wont be as original as the early ones.

And before someone says..."Well just as Original ideas fade away.....new ideas can be brought up!" First I dont think thats really the case.....and even if it was.....the amount of original ideas being used would be 100 times faster than the original ideas being produced.

We are experiencing the new generation of anime. Whether it has original ideas or not shouldnt be a factor anymore. It should be the quality of what the anime's give us. And Ill be damned if some anime creators think that most of the anime from the year 2000 to present sucks.

And sadly my post only covers originality.....I cant really talk about anything else since I have really not seen any old animes. But it still wouldnt change my thoughts on Originality

Edit: And on a different note. I bet that the anime that made it to the "Great anime" status of the 90's and 80's were mostly action type shows. I really dont think that any comedy anime back then could possibly be compared to the comedies from 2000-present. So basically what im getting at is that most of the *great nostalgia anime* that people have....were all action type genre's. Then I guess would be the fantasy type genre. But then again I wouldnt truly know since I havent watched any of those nostalgia animes.....so this edited post is more of a guess

Second Edit: Actually Im pretty sure the greatest nostalgia anime were Movies if Im not mistaken. I think comparing Movies to anime series is kinda stupid
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There are plenty more ideas out there for an anime.. just need to be more imaginative and open minded. Like those crazy disney movies...
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Posted 8/6/10

Leliana wrote:

There are plenty more ideas out there for an anime.. just need to be more imaginative and open minded. Like those crazy disney movies...


Name five. I'll be able to find an anime/manga that already did it.... Unless it's a retarded and bad idea....
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Hmmmmm. I find it kind of Ironic. A bunch of business people complaining that anime has become too commercial. Maybe if these business people quit the business we will have less massed marketed anime flooding the market, and it will go back to being what it used to be, art made for the sake of art created by artists who just care about making their art.
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Posted 8/6/10

zombehs wrote:


Leliana wrote:

There are plenty more ideas out there for an anime.. just need to be more imaginative and open minded. Like those crazy disney movies...


Name five. I'll be able to find an anime/manga that already did it.... Unless it's a retarded and bad idea....


I second this

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I don't really understand what the issue seems to be. Originality is a subjective perspective and ranges from person to person. In my opinion, the only problem with Anime currently is the declining market due to so many illegal ways of viewing said media.
Posted 8/6/10

Saotome-Ranma wrote:

I don't really understand what the issue seems to be. Originality is a subjective perspective and ranges from person to person. In my opinion, the only problem with Anime currently is the declining market due to so many illegal ways of viewing said media.


they where refereeing to all the shows coming out that only appeal to certain crowd like lucky star or k-on (which i like btw) but those show seem to seel more and better than a decent show with a good plot like Kurneia or Dennou Coil because of the over saturation of well i hate to say "shit on the market, these shows get shunned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kure-nai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennou_Coil
Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10
not really that bad... when that time comes... all those anime that used same plot to appeal to the mass and went under, the "shit on the market" will be recognized im sure some of those fans will keep them afloat... its like MMA not really that popular back then but fans keep recording it and post it on the web now we have UFC... my older brother forced me to watch PRIDE back were Gracie was the shit, taking opponents down bigger than him, when i used to cringed when they try to submit people

it will only force the makers to have more originality, they will take some serious blows... but thanx to the net
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Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Saotome-Ranma wrote:

I don't really understand what the issue seems to be. Originality is a subjective perspective and ranges from person to person. In my opinion, the only problem with Anime currently is the declining market due to so many illegal ways of viewing said media.


they where refereeing to all the shows coming out that only appeal to certain crowd like lucky star or k-on (which i like btw) but those show seem to seel more and better than a decent show with a good plot like Kurneia or Dennou Coil because of the over saturation of well i hate to say "shit on the market, these shows get shunned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kure-nai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennou_Coil

Honestly, I have yet to see the problem. Many shows with amazing plots co-exist with the anime that appeal to certain crowds. I do not see an over saturation with these shows because the market is already filled with so much that one genre could not possible do so. In the end, it is up to the authors to change and not the fans.
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Posted 8/6/10

Maou068 wrote:

Those directors/creators spoke the truth! I've been watching anime for more than a decade and I've seen all kinds of genres and plots including anime from the late 70's. It seems that anime nowadays are just mere clones from 80's and 90's and indeed they compensate their lack of originality with fanservice, fancy animation and flashy fight scenes.

Having been watching anime since the late 70's, I would have to say Code Geass and Death Note seemed rather original to me.

Admittedly, that is only 2 examples, but "lack of originality" is not unique to anime. It is present in all entertainment media.

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