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Muslium father kills daughters for dating non muslisms
Posted 10/14/10 , edited 10/15/10
See the "citation" hyperlink and the line in bold? Or are you so illiterate that you can't even tell what those meant in your own language? Perhaps that's why no matter how you translate it, the historical fact is that the Muslim women are oppressed by their own state legislation, which itself was based on the Islamic teaching that values obedience and chastity in womanhood. And personally I have a problem with that fact, when in order for the Muslim state to protect those women endangered by honor killing, they're put behind prisons from their families that's sworn to kill them for the family's honor towards religious Islamic teaching:

Women such as these have nowhere to turn when they are under threat of an attack. There is no national women's shelter in Jordan, only state-run women's prisons where women are incarcerated for their own safety. Ironically, their release can only be secured by a male relative. At present a number of women spend indefinite periods of time in prison for their own protection. Major Ibtisam Dhmour, former director of the only women's correctional facility in Jordan, has said that women may be in prison for becoming pregnant out of wedlock or allegedly being involved in an extramarital affair. Others are victims of rape or incest. Experts stress the need for a national women's shelter that would provide immediate refuge for such women(citation)
Did you learn about that in your feminist class, no? Well I had to watch the documentary report on honor killing in my contemporary social movement class.

So way to go at you shooting yourself in your own foot there, and you're welcome. From one sociologist to another.
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no, there are no those two words. in either original or translation that I have. And I havent seen "citation". just got back from work, so sorry, but my eyes are very tired. and yes, what they are doing is wrong I agree. I just hate to see holy text translated wrongly. Which is the case here. And it is obvious how many muslims can be misled by saying: this is what it says in qur'an. when it doesnt.
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no, there are no those two words. in either original or translation that I have. And I havent seen "citation". just got back from work, so sorry, but my eyes are very tired. and yes, what they are doing is wrong I agree. I just hate to see holy text translated wrongly. Which is the case here. And it is obvious how many muslims can be misled by saying: this is what it says in qur'an. when it doesnt.
Have you lost touch with reality altogether?! Otherwise how would you explain the cultural practice of chastity and obedience within the Muslim states, which both the traditions historically predated the 1500 years old religious teaching of Islam, without the words to explain how they worked in the first place? What the heck are you lying about? Where's the factual proof that support your claim? Are you suggesting that the current Muslims are in fact the most historically unfaithful ones ever existed, including the extreme hard-line political/religious fundamentalists? Because they all got the wrong message, including the original?
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This is not very true.... You want some ACTUAL translations and ACTUAL evidence? Fine here you go :


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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html

Without getting proper translations and trying to prove me wrong. It will not work. Why because i am a muslim myself and i know this i have studied the Qur'An for all my life and i understand what most of it means. And there are millions of other muslims who re the same as me. Just that some of them do not know of this because they did not understand the Qur'An. So stop your false accusations and try to actually understand the religion properly. Everything you find on the internet is not true. There are even fake translations of the bible. If you still want to prove me wrong. I shall not debate further because it will not make you understand at all and you will not understand it too. And do not mix politics and religion together. So shall i say American states do not follow the bible and are contradicting their own bible? If you disagree to this and want to argue go ahead because you are just proving your arguments as fruitless. Labeling muslim as a brutal killing religion. Plus you should visit muslim countries and find out what this really mean if you still want to argue with me because internet sources cannot be fully trusted and even if you were to post links. Your words cannot be believed. And then you ask how can anyone be a true muslim? Hello are you blind or something? Humans are humans even if they have a religion they cannot follow everything. THAT is why religion exists to guide and to help those who are blinded by false interpretations and faith.


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YUSUFALI: Allah doth wish to make clear to you and to show you the ordinances of those before you; and (He doth wish to) turn to you (In Mercy): And Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.


See Islam concentrates alot on MERCY. Thus this honour killings are not part of Islam it is people who misinterpret this. Forgiving and having Mercy is what Islam teaches you.


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YUSUFALI: If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for Allah.


This does not necessarily mean literally burning them. It is more like throwing them in hell. We are no judges Allah is the only one who can judge us and he shall decide if anything is right or wrong. This further proves my point to how people can misinterpret Islam.

Anywayz end of story. You will not take my points into view and will not understand it. So i shall go my way and you shall your way.
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First of all, thanks for relying on the exact translation(by Abdullah Yusuf Ali) as mine, while subsequently claiming our source for translation to be both "wrong" and "right" at the same time. You stupid retard.

Second, the US and the rest of the modern secular nations all practice the politic of separating religions between the states within all government branches. Whereas all Muslim states have the Islamic clergies as the heads of their legislation branch, no exception. You idiot.

Finally, my hometown Canada is a secular nation state that practice multiculturalism. And while our laws abolish murder, which is why we don't have the death penalty, it's the immigrated Muslims that are still practicing honor killing while Canada doesn't practice Islamic laws. So what's your point? You moron.

If that's the best that your life long Islamic study has to offer, you're wasting everyone's time with your teaching of stupidity, retardation, idiocy, and moronic piece of religious trash. Thereby your only mercy from the secular society is your freedom of expression being scrutinized in the open public forum.[/sarcasm]
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Oh so now you are trying to defend yourself because you realised your points got wrong? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA stop being so immature and acting like some stuck up xD Of course i have to claim that it is right and wrong in order to make a proper conclusion. Please don't tell me you never did this in school. Your tried to provoke me into getting mad are just fruitless. They actually show me how people like you are : ignorant and not trying to actually understand what the religion actually means. Please chill out and learn something other than arguing on pointless things. I doubt you are even a believer of a religion do not even try to trash out other people's religion. Douchebag. And you say my islamic studies are waste? Oh well what can i say you have never been a muslim and you will not understand what being a muslim is about xD so go ahead talk more. I'll post this to show people that people like you no matter what you think of us we know that honor killing is not part of Islam. And stop acting stupid. Your self-righteousness is just as i expected. You will never agree to what i say and redeem it as stupid xD Thus there is no point in arguing with a stone head like you.
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Oh so now you are trying to defend yourself because you realised your points got wrong? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA stop being so immature and acting like some stuck up xD Of course i have to claim that it is right and wrong in order to make a proper conclusion. Please don't tell me you never did this in school. Your tried to provoke me into getting mad are just fruitless. They actually show me how people like you are : ignorant and not trying to actually understand what the religion actually means. Please chill out and learn something other than arguing on pointless things. I doubt you are even a believer of a religion do not even try to trash out other people's religion. Douchebag. And you say my islamic studies are waste? Oh well what can i say you have never been a muslim and you will not understand what being a muslim is about xD so go ahead talk more. I'll post this to show people that people like you no matter what you think of us we know that honor killing is not part of Islam. And stop acting stupid. Your self-righteousness is just as i expected. You will never agree to what i say and redeem it as stupid xD Thus there is no point in arguing with a stone head like you.
And what do you think the illogical rationality known as the Islamic dualism is?

The Koran is confusing as it is arranged, but it can be made straightforward by scientific analysis.

The first step is to put the verses in the right time order, collect and categorize all of the similar stories. It is at this point that the missing parts, or holes, in the document become apparent. The life of Mohammed fills in and explains all the gaps and all the confusion falls away. Mohammed is the key to the Koran and Islam.

The doctrine breaks down in time into Mohammed in Mecca (the early part) and Mohammed in Medina (the later part). In essence, there are two Korans, one written in Mecca and the second Koran written in Medina.

The two Korans are the first grand division of Islamic doctrine.

What is intriguing is that the two Korans include contradictions. "You have your religion and I have mine" 109:1 is a far cry from "I shall cast terror in the hearts of the kafirs. Strike off their heads…" 8:12. The Koran gives a way to solve these contradictions—the later verse is "better" than the earlier verse. But the earlier verse is still true. All the verses from the Koran are true because they are the words of Allah.

The Koran defines an Islamic logic that is dualistic. Two things which contradict each other can both be true. In a unitary, scientific logic, if two things contradict each other, then at least one of them is false. Not so in dualistic logic.
(citation)
Other than it's playing suck up on slavery, rape, genocide, lying, war, murder, lust, pleasure of the flesh, even politic, all in the name of God's mercy and goodness:

Submission and Duality

All of political Islam is based upon the principles of submission and duality. Islamic dualism has one set of rules for men and another for women. Islam demands that a woman must submit to a man in all things-family, business, religion, work, war, sex, law, travel, relationships, and marriage. Submission is Islam.

Historically, Islam has enslaved members of all races. It has a complete and detailed doctrine of slavery. A dualistic ethical system makes enslavement an act of good.(citation)

Thirdly, since all I want is to treat women as equal when they're competent, meaning that they're all mentally mature, able to reason, make action choice, and be held responsible for their actions. Your Islamic teaching of men being the "protectors" who can "beat" their wives without first resorting to reasons, will cause conflict with the philosophical principle of non-contradiction; violence isn't the same as reason, it's just bullying.

Finally, insofar your attitude from your expression had been one of immaturity, with denial being your only method of reasoning, while you're being irresponsible for your self-contradictions. Thereby your incompetency and non-compliance to reasoning are my proofs of establishing just how you're wasting everyone's time with your own ignorance.
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