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Seriously guys. This might have been a chance to open some people's eyes instead you just trolled the topic to death. Granted, it's hard to take someone seriously when they sound like a sincere member of the flat earth society but really what did being dicks and douches really achieve aside from a few ephemeral 'lulz'?
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Post Script:

I notice that we managed to close down the only thread that was Started by our Muslim visitors. We may be patting ourselves on the back for 'winning' --- But frankly All we did is mock them and send them away mad. At least, I'm sure that's how they will perceive it.

I think we could have had some dialogue if people hadn't decided it's more fun to lash those they disagree with rather than engage in civil discussion.

IMO.
Posted 8/9/10
But all I ever did was reporting to the mods about how their posts were advertisements, double-posting, or just flat-out religious propagandas. Granted, none of them were violating other people's freedom of expressions, but could they at least sound like they are real people with an ounce of personality? Even I can have a more meaningful conversation with my gf's kid brother, who's suffering with a mild learning difficulty, and the kid still adores me.
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The Unit 731 video ( of the thread which is not being shut down) is far worse than the advertisement of religion.
Sarastarlight might seemed convincing. But if you ever watched his other videos or bothered doing any back up research, you will know its BS.

My point?
The religious thread was shut down because of its promotion of the islamic religion rather than baseless claims.

Though I wouldn't call it baseless... just a different interpretation.
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It's impossible to have a civil conversation on Crunchyroll about anything sensitive such as politics, religion, racism, etc because they're are always going to be idiots who derail/troll the topic to death as you put it. The only way would be to ignore the posts made by said people and discuss with users who actually make sense. That being said doing said is almost impossible.
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is it really the only thread that was Started by a Muslim visitors?? i hope it is not the last ...

you know what i call it
scared from losing
scared from the truth
just scared from every thing
well thank you for closing down the thread ...
you just make my idea about you more strong....
---- you remember------>, our Holy Quran say about Unbeliever ,(Deaf, dumb and blind, they do not understand) [Baqarah: 171] they are deaf dumb blind for guidance
you try to hide things because you don't want to believe it and you don't want others to believe it....
if what i was talking about not true then you will not be that scared to close it down ... (it proves that it is true )
you prove that Islam is true

you closed it because you don't have the courage to Discuss it with me and prove that you are correct....
so it was necessary for you to close the topic... and not to lose .....
i feel sorry about you .....
what will you do when the judgment day came ?????? you will wish that you had never born or you will wish that you were a sand...

by the way i can open a new thread and chat with you, but i think it is a waste of time ...
but if you want just tell me or PM me and i will be happy to answer some of your questions .....
i really respect some people who i discussed things with ... i mean the people who show respect

Thank you
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neko-cat wrote:

is it really the only thread that was Started by a Muslim visitors?? i hope it is not the last ...

you know what i call it
scared from losing
scared from the truth
just scared from every thing

well thank you for closing down the thread ...
you just make my idea about you more strong....
---- you remember------>, our Holy Quran say about Unbeliever ,(Deaf, dumb and blind, they do not understand) [Baqarah: 171] they are deaf dumb blind for guidance
you try to hide things because you don't want to believe it and you don't want others to believe it....
if what i was talking about not true then you will not be that scared to close it down ... (it proves that it is true )

you prove that Islam is true

you closed it because you don't have the courage to Discuss it with me and prove that you are correct....
so it was necessary for you to close the topic... and not to lose .....

i feel sorry about you .....
what will you do when the judgment day came ?????? you will wish that you had never born or you will wish that you were a sand...

by the way i can open a new thread and chat with you, but i think it is a waste of time ...
but if you want just tell me or PM me and i will be happy to answer some of your questions .....
i really respect some people who i discussed things with ... i mean the people who show respect

Thank you


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:Thank you for making my point.

green On the other hand making accusations of cowardice while claiming a victory -I- at least haven't conceded is not a good way to promote dialogue. Nor is claiming knowledge of the other person's heart and mind. I stopped responding to your posts on one thread because you kept saying that I agreed with you but wouldn't admit it.

purpleActually no. It was closed by the moderators after repeated complaints of people violating the rules of the forum. I suggest you look at the those rules they are 'sticky'-ed to the top of this section of the forum. If you don't violate those rules the Mods have no reason to shut you down.

I won't pretend to know the minds of the mods but I'm sure some of the angry insulting posts directed at you were not helping.

on the other hand as far as I've concerned you've proved nothing.

(1) your entire proof comes from a single book which you insist is the necessary and sufficient source.

IE - you insist that all you need for proof is the words in the Qu'ran and all that is acceptable for proof is the words of the Qu'ran.

Since I don't agree with (1) above we will have a difficult time agreeing on anything. While I'm willing to acknowledge your respect for the Qu'ran there are any number of valid observations and information sources. If the Qu'ran said the sky was green, I would look up at the sky and make my own judgement with my own eyes.

Therefore, in order to prove anything to us, you have to step outside the Qu'ran and prove it as a superior information source OR, make your proof without resorting to the Qu'ran.

When debating with someone. Throwing personal insults like accusations of cowardice, or dishonesty (Domfortress is NOT helping with his constant cry of Liar!) Telling the other person what they think etc. are not tactics that will aid in reasoned discourse.

I'm sure if you're willing to try and keep it civil. so can I.







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It probably wouldn't hurt you to check out some of the other threads on this forum. then you can see how a wide number of topics that aren't close to your heart are discussed both successfully and unsuccessfully and you will have a better idea who you are talking to. Each regular poster here brings baggage to his or her debate. reading some of the other posts might confuse you but it also might help you understand the complexity of things around here.
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papagolfwhiskey is right on this and I am pretty sure most of you never had to work with or around Muslims or even employed some. I realized it just not Islam that get pounded down., It anything to do with religion of any type or kind. representing your self as atheist to prove how smart you are is silly. I have to deal with prick of all types on just about every job sight I had to go to. Being called names is a every day event mostly behind my back. Most of the post have been started by 13 year old up to 19 would you even talk to these kids in public or even debate them. Very doubtful you look like an ass in front of every one. Being in30 and older, you should know kids at this age think they know every about every thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have said thing i should not of said then again it not just Islam it all religion i notices Diggs dose not post on this site. When I started a post take it down a notch what I had in mind is to show that were all human and make mistake and all sort of silly thing. but most people are so high strung or tight asses you would make a penny scream if stuck there. going in on a kill shot on a kid not cool.---------------------------------------------------------- I do have a bone to pick about sight that also advertise it like shutting off 2/3 off the information that could be yous to back points so your king of this ant hill wow.
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Another important thing to remember. Good to remember about ALL internet communication actually, is that text represents approximately less than ten percent of human communication.

When people are talking to each other, 75%* of the exchange is happening on a non verbal level. Our gestures, posture, distance from each other, eye contact, and other cues from body language are transmitting 3/4 of the meaning that we get from a given exchange. (worse some of these hidden meanings are culturally specific but that's almost another topic)

Another roughly 15% is verbal information that isn't part of language. Tone of voice, Volume of voice, cadence, rhythm, and speed of speaking all transmit information between people who are conversing. What remains (about 10%) is the actual text content of the exchange.

On the internet you are forced to imagine 90% of the information you'd get from a face to face conversation. There is plenty of room for misunderstanding.

for example the use of ALL CAPS is typically perceived as shouting and generates the same visceral reaction as being shouted at.

We should all be careful of jumping to conclusions and responding emotionally to posts on the internet. It's a recipe for escalation of misunderstanding into something ugly.

*the percentages are an approximation from memory based on text book explanations of good communication nearly 15 years ago when I was studying to be a nurse, My memory may be off and science may have re-evaluated those percentages in the last 15 years, so the numbers are APPROXIMATE.



Posted 8/9/10
Well I knew it was going to happen anyway. With topics like that, the same people always come around just to "debate." It was just a matter of time before LosingOrbit became fed up with the same trolls (they know who they are) returning to that thread so she locked it.

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Well stated, never knew other people under stood that.
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mystic17 wrote:

Well I knew it was going to happen anyway. With topics like that, the same people always come around just to "debate." It was just a matter of time before LosingOrbit became fed up with the same trolls (they know who they are) returning to that thread so she locked it.



Which persons this thread is directed at. I have no problems with 'discussing' the Muslim faith (or any faith ) with a true believer. I just think we need to keep it civil.



Posted 8/9/10
Of course nothing is wrong discussing it. but there's certain others who lurk around threads that involve religion like this one just to attack their beliefs. That's why I don't usually check them out anymore here because that's all that seems to be discussed in the ED. I'd like to make more threads for this forum, but I'm not sure people would like to discuss what's pondering my mind.
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I don't know which is the threat concerned, but I can tell from the posts here that it had a fair bit of proselytising in it. When it comes to someone who is so far carried away with a religion that he or she is willing to attempt to convert people, there will be no discussion. The rules of argumentation no longer apply, logic no longer applies because in the eyes of the religious person these things cannot trump faith. If you believe yourself to be right and base this on faith, there is truly nothing to discuss. Without rules there is no common language for us, there is no dialogue. I don't see how taking the piss out of someone without any desire to engage in argumentation can be seen as reprehensible.
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