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It's been announced with little fanfare, but a new official VN translation is going to be released soon.

Kono Oozora ni Tsubasa wo Hirogete
If My Heart Had Wings is the English title.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2013/05/13/if-my-heart-had-wings-open-for-pre-orders/

Official site:
http://moenovel.com/imh/
There is a demo available on the official site

This is being translated by a new company named MoeNovel that seems to be related to the original Japanese publishers of the game. It is all-ages.

The translation right now is kind of stiff, but it's been stated that it is not the final translation. The company doing the translation is Active Gaming Media [AGM]. AGM is the company who did the translations for both No More Heroes, and also Demons Souls. So they're certainly capable of doing a better translation than what is currently up, so I have some hope for it.

The original game is fairly well regarded in Japan, it was released in 2012, and won the 2012 Moe Game awards gold medal
It also won awards for Scenario, BGM, and Character Design
The game is fairly long at about 30-50 hours.

There has been some controversy as this release has the H-scenes removed in an attempt to widen the potential audience. With an ESRB rating there is theoretically potential for it to be sold in more mainstream locations like wal-mart, best buy or gamestop, although unlikely due to shelf space. There is also a chance it may end up sold on Amazon however which could potentially increase its audience.

It will be sold by Play-asia in physical and digital copies. Manga gamer will also sell digital copies, and may also sell physical copies later down the line.
Currently it's priced at about $34.95 and planned for release this year.

As of now, I'm definitely interested, and if the translation improves sufficiently once it's released I will buy it, but I probably won't pre-order. The lack of h-scenes although not preferred isn't significant enough for me personally, since everything else about it appeals to me. The game isn't a nukige anyway.
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I've only currently played Clannad [Full Voice] and Katawa Shoujo, but there's no doubt I'll open up my horizons with more visual novels. =)
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Posted 5/12/13 , edited 11/12/13

kardonius wrote:

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I'm really looking forward to this! I'm hoping the talk about improving the script is true! And PlayAsia had the release listed as May, and now June... I wonder when it will actually come out.

As for the H-scenes, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the story, I'm fine without it. And if it is a big enough deal, I'm sure there'll be a fan patch or something to restore the scenes. (Or maybe MoeNovel will listen to the raging fan base and release a DLC patch themselves?) Though honestly, I haven't cared for H-scenes, so I doubt I'd buy or download any such patch. >.>

And if this is to believed: http://vntls.org/news/everything-we-know-about-moenovel Then I'm assuming we'll be getting a lot more VNs translated and sold in English!



Also, just saying, people gotta play Ever17, 999, and Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward. Three very awesome VNs that have insane storylines! (I have yet to finish Ever17, but I've heard only great things about it's ending, although the road there can feel slow to some.)
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Flyable Heart was a pretty cute visual novel.

I generally go for darker visual novels like Euphoria and anything made a Black CYC. Yume Miru Kusuri was the first visual novel I ever played and I really enjoyed it.
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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 1/12/14

kardonius wrote:



If My Heart Had Wings

Game details:

Correction
*Game length: <30 hours
*MangaGamer will sell digital and physical copies at launch

The original VN has:
Non-H: 463 CG
H: 646 CG
SD: 110 (chibi characters) CG

They are also censoring kissing scene and some other jokes like you see on anime. Quote from their email "The kissing scenes will be altered so that it will not show any tongues or lips touching, but will show the back or side view of a couple kissing, as seen under the 'demo' section in the official homepage" This is a romance VN...

No wonder they it got rated for T for Teens.

I have Virtues Reward Last Reward on PS Vita, but that game has game play compared to If My Heart Had Wings. They're different.

Anyone played the trial edition of If My Heart Had Wings? I heard that MoeNovel have no plans on fixing the errors e.g. translation seems a bit off and unnatural at times. Oh well I can still understand it. I'm still planning to pre-order it on Play-Asia.

As for the main Topic, I recommend Corpse Party Book of Shadows.
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Animecrunchymax wrote:

The original VN has:
Non-H: 463 CG
H: 646 CG
SD: 110 (chibi characters) CG



I'm not happy with any of the changes either, but to be honest there are some big problems with those numbers. Primarily, they include variant cgs (ex different facial expressions, different "fluid levels" but same basic cg.) This 99% of time time inflates ero CG counts by quite a lot, as they tend to have the most variant CGs. Non-ero cgs tend to have relatively few variants in comparison and it ultimately doesn't really give a good idea of the number of actual ero event scenes vs non-ero event scenes there are.

Using above numbers it would be 1219 total cgs.

excluding SDs it would be 1109 total cgs and
~41.7% CGs remaining
~58.2% CGs removed

including SDs would make it
573 remaining vs 646 removed
~47.0% CG remaining
~52.9% CG removed

I got the CG rip and did some counting on my own, focusing on Base CGs, not including variant CGs.
With variant CGs, there are a total of 1,357 CGs in the set I found. WIthout variants there are about 145 base CGs.
Info dump re. what would likely be edited vs staying
Base CG counts
53 Standard (almost guaranteed to stay, unchanged)
51 Ero (almost guaranteed removed)
4 Kiss (non-ero scene kisses)
7 Ecchi (may be altered, not likely removed i.e non-ero bath scene) /9 (with possible ecchi SD images)
30 SD (chibi character cgs) /28 (without possible ecchi)

145 Base CGs (Base CG classified as character added or removed from CG/ Large change in pose, does not include facial expression changes/small pose changes)


Using only standard vs ero (Total includes only CGs almost guaranteed cut or staying)
53 Standard
51 Ero

~50.9% standard
~49.0% Ero

Using standard vs ero (almost certain to be included vs ero, almost certain to be cut, excludes Ecchi, includes non-ecchi SD and kiss)

85 CGs unchanged
51 removed

62.5% unchanged
37.5% removed

Using Changed vs Removed (includes Ecchi cgs that may be altered but most likely still remaining vs Ero cgs almost guaranteed cut)
145 Total base
94 Staying
51 Removed

~64.8% of base cgs remain
~35.1% of base cgs removed

Using only base cgs instead of including variants, which always skews toward inflating Ero CG counts, it makes a more accurate impression of how many significantly unique cgs are actually removed. It's still bad, but it's no where near as bad as some of the claims of 60% removed.
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Posted 5/21/13 , edited 1/12/14

kardonius wrote:


Animecrunchymax wrote:

The original VN has:
Non-H: 463 CG
H: 646 CG
SD: 110 (chibi characters) CG






Actually this statistic is quite accurate.

I didn't actually count that though.

If you are counting from the CG rip then you're doing it wrong.

Here's my statistic:
H: 35 CG
Non-H: 34 CG
SD: 19 CG
Beach and Bath scene: 11 CG (possible to edit) (MoeNovel said that the character would be wearing towels if they are... you know, don't make me type it here.)

That's the base CG without counting the expressions. Looking at the cg album there 11 pages in total which contains 9 CG each so that makes 99 CG in total. I really don't like it when someone remove contents from the original version even in other stuff.

If they want to release all ages VN then they should localize this instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VshGzEEX2GI
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Posted 5/21/13
Don't know what cg rip you're counting from, but the one I'm counting from has 68 pages with 20 images per page.
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Posted 5/21/13 , edited 1/12/14

kardonius wrote:



I'm not counting it from a CG rip.

I'm counting it from the actual VN:


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Only played Katawa Shoujo and man the feels :\ I haven't found anything that can top it yet. Any suggestions?
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 11/12/13

Animecrunchymax wrote:


I'm not counting it from a CG rip.

I'm counting it from the actual VN:




With what I counted as 'base cgs' (characters added or removed/very large changes in pose) some of the cgs in the games gallery display include what I counted as multiple 'base cgs' That's why the different counts
ex. (in-game cg gallery)
page 1 #1, first row
page 1, #3, first row
page 2, #3 second row
page 4, #2 second row
etc.

Or from the page you posted
page 10, # 3 first row
page 10, #3 third row
among some others

Just counting from the gallery thumbnails from in-game though I got
unedited 62 images (includes non-ecchi sd)
ero 31 images (removed)
ecchi 6 (includes potential ecchi category sd)

excluding the ecchi images, that's ~66.6% unchanged and ~33.3% removed
even if you count editing as the same as removal its still ~62% likely unchanged and ~37% removed

Still bad, but I hold by my initial statements.


JohnnyScene wrote:

Only played Katawa Shoujo and man the feels :\ I haven't found anything that can top it yet. Any suggestions?


I haven't finished Katawa Shoujo, but pretty much anything by Key would probably fit in a similar category, and they're pretty much all good too, so Kanon, Air, Planetarian, Clannad, etc.
I can't really think of many nakige officially released in English though but here's some to check.
There's Kana: Little Sister.
Narcissu which is free and also great: http://narcissu.insani.org/
Yume Miru Kusuri
ef -the first tale-

[mod edit: NSFW links removed --lorreen]
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 1/12/14

kardonius wrote:


Animecrunchymax wrote:


I'm not counting it from a CG rip.

I'm counting it from the actual VN:




I'm sorry. I don't understand your explanation.

But I'll just put this here:

"Overall content edits: The game's art will have to be heavily edited. The original game had 17 H-scenes and 5 heroines (2 of which are twins). Shini's count of the game's CG are as follows (note that these counts include variations of the same base CG):
Non-H: 463 (includes swimsuits, wet t-shirt with bra showing through, scene where it looks like a girl has nopan)
Ero: 646 (includes CGs that are part of H scenes and bath scenes with visible nip---s)
SD: 110 (chibi characters)"

*credit to the person who counted it.

From my point of view, I think you're counting it wrong.
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 5/23/13
From my point of view it's the other way around, I think the other person is counting wrong and I explained my own methodology for counting.

When you count variations there are always more variations of the base cg in ero scenes. However those variations aren't significantly unique.
Generally the non-ero event cgs are far fewer in how many variants they have, in a lot of eroge for example event cgs have just one version, but ero scene cgs have 4, 5 or more different variants of a single base cg.
If you go through one by one, all of the cgs in this game, you'll also see the same holds true here, there are far more variants on ero cgs than non-ero cgs. (although there are definitely a huge number of variants for non-ero cgs in this game too.)

That's why for example when you see doujin cg collections sold on dlsite and the like, they generally have their contents advertised as something like "OOO Base cgs, OOO variations" and that's even with pure ero-cg collections.
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 1/12/14

kardonius wrote:




Refer to this:

Here's my statistic:
H: 35 CG
Non-H: 34 CG
SD: 19 CG
Beach and Bath scene: 11 CG (possible to edit) (MoeNovel said that the character would be wearing towels if they are... you know, don't make me type it here.)

I previously counted the CG's without counting the other variants of each CG's. So even if the H has more variants, it still have more CG than the Non-H. Play the VN you'll understand it better.

Edit: One more thing. I've just looked up what you mean by this "The game isn't a nukige anyway.". Well, I doubt that.
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The thing is that depending on how they handle removing the ero scenes that will change how many cgs they need to remove. A few of the ero scenes start with event cgs that would have no problem remaining in the game and then simply fade to black from those safe cgs. They could go either way.

There's not really any reason to leave out the sd cgs from the non-ero count either as nothing that would warrant it being cut happens in those cgs except for two that would likely be edited.

As for beach and bath, the bath scenes would be edited and remain, that has effectively already been confirmed. The normal beach scenes don't need anything done in the first place. T rating isn't that strict, Record of Agarest War got a physical release on 360 in the US with a T rating with both partial nudity and suggestive themes in the rating infobox.

Take that point and there are more non-ero cgs than ero-cgs without variations.

[edit] I highly doubt that the game got all the praise it did for the sole reason of being [erotic]. [mod edit: remainder deleted as it strays into more explicit discussion than is appropriate for CR--lorreen]
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