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Abortion woman rights but where are the mans rights.
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Posted 8/14/10
A woman can chose to have the baby or not. What about the father what if he dose not want to pay child support for the baby. I have met my fair share of sea cows aka woman that gets pregnant and has no intention of not having the baby thinking the man they love is stuck to them. I some case I fairly sure the woman dose not have a clue who the father is. If a woman can have the freedom to pick a man should have the freedom not to have the kid. It takes two to make one and it should take two not to have one. I am tried of this viewpoint that women are victims in the US. equal rights means equal responsibility.
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Posted 8/14/10 , edited 8/14/10
The man/men in question also have the right to wear protection during the act. Both parties have the right.. Or obligation rather, not to sleep around with just anybody. If you're going to have intimate relations with someone, then you'd best be sure both parties want the same thing. All it takes is 25¢ really...
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The father chose to have sex with the woman and could have used protection, so I don't have much sympathy for him. Also, from what I understand of abortion it's an invasive procedure, and as with any surgical procedure there are risks, so IMO it would be wrong for the father to be able to force an abortion so he doesn't have to support the child.

Looking at it from an ethical point of view, I also can't see a doctor being prepared to carry out an abortion without the woman's consent.
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I agree, there should definitely be some kind of system to put the child care stuff under more control.

For instance a woman shouldn't be able to have sex with a guy and then show up 9 months later and say "Umm, I got pregnant, this is your kid." and then expect (and get) him to "take responsibility" and pay child support (,,,although I'm not sure about what the laws regarding this says, it might say that you can't do that). Common sense would be to tell the guy in the first stages of the pregnancy that you are pregnant with his baby and then let him decide whether or not he wants to be a part of the child's life. If he does, great, if he doesn't, either find someone else, accept life as a single parent and/or get an abortion (which the man should pay half of, it's his jizz after all).

The decision of one (two/three) humans life shouldn't be put on another human, especially one that is being heavily affected by hormones (from the pregnancy, if you don't get it).
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How the heck can he, a man who's unable to bare a child in the first place, have the right to tell the women that can to have an abortion? Maybe he should have thought of using protection.
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There's a lot of talk about how the man should use a condom, well on the contrary, shouldn't the woman have a responsibility NOT to have sex with him if he doesn't intend to use one and clearly has no intention of raising a child (one night stand, a couple for less than a month etc.)? If she does get pregnant then she should have the responsibility to tell him, and he should have the ability to choose whether or not to be a part of it (as I said in my earlier post, read that for more pondering regarding the subject).

Noone said that the man should be the sole person to decide if the pregnancy should be aborted, what we on this side are saying is that the man shouldn't be forced to become a father against his will (and regarding preventative measures such as condoms an "the pill", they may break, be tampered with or simply malfunction).
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How the heck can he, a man who's unable to bare a child in the first place, have the right to tell the women can to have an abortion? Maybe he should have thought of using protection.
That's the point, he can and will let his opinion about it be heard, but that still doesn't mean that it must be follow without the woman had given considerable thought about it.

Two years ago, I got my girlfriend pregnant without me knowing it, and then she got an abortion again without my knowledge. The secrecy had caused her considerable, yet totally unnecessary IMHO, guilt about what's perhaps the best move under her circumstances; neither herself nor myself could support the unborn child as who we were, should she ever gone ahead with the pregnancy. Because realistically speaking, you would have to be at least a middle class family earning double-wages, or one high earning wage, in order to sustain child care in a developed country.

Now you tell me, why should my girlfriend be feeling any sort of guilt? When it's my action that caused her pregnancy in the first place, while she could had simply said "no". In other words, my choice, my responsibility. And I shouldn't be vindicating for her sake, unless we're still living in a society that unjustly victimizing women for something that's not their fault.
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Posted 8/14/10
Actually to decide not to have the baby is her chose, what about the father that dose not want to be one? He may not be-able to support one this is decision as of now abortion are legal done every day. It just a choose correct just like having unprotected sex booth parties agreed to it so why not both party agree to raise the child or not to. I have seen to many time girls try to trap a young man into a relationship this way. When push comes to shove the guys disappears Mother cannot prove how the father is so the state picks up the tab. The child and the state are the victim's here.
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Posted 8/14/10 , edited 8/14/10
The woman gets the burden physically of carrying the child therefore it's already unequal in who bears the most work. Also statistically the number of single moms is far higher than the number of single fathers, so in a lot of cases the man doesn't care about the child (besides whether he'd have to pay child support). Not all cases run like this, but enough do that I can take my stance that it's the womans body it's the womans choice stance.
Posted 8/15/10
Straight up pop, glad to be a man. Raise the roof!!!
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Posted 8/15/10
I'm pretty much pro-life always have been.Babies are alot to cherish.(Then again not everyone shares my views)
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men have to take responsibility....they no option when make woman pregnant......at m y country..they have law about this topic if men pregnant woman that men should take full responsibility......
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I think we're moving farther from the original point. Sure guys could wear condoms but there are female condoms too and spermicide sponges and the pill. And personally if I was a women, considering the guy could just leave and hide out while I'd be the one having to go through all the potential pain and suffering, I would definitely take the responsibility of control upon myself. And speaking of the pain and suffering lets be completely honest at this point in our society 99% of females know whats going to happen. We take classes for this in the 5-6th grade. I have nothing but respect and reverence for all that you have to go through to do a absolutely wonderful thing but it's not like "Oh you're about to go in labor and...Surprise it's going to hurt like hell." In my opinion this whole argument is just women trying to put themselves on a pedestal and put men down.(I say this fully realizing that men have their own ways of doing this same thing.

That being said I think that any real man should take responsibility for any child that is his. However if I know about it 6-7 months beforehand I would definitely like a say in it. It's a lifelong investment of time, emotions, money, and hundreds of other factors. I know personally I am no where near ready for that responsibility right now even though I want kids in the slightly distant future.
Posted 8/15/10
I agree that it isn't fair that women seem to get to make more of the choices when it comes to pregnancy & childbirth. She can choose to deliberately get pregnant, choose to have an abortion or not, and choose to sue the guy she had sex with and make him pay child support for the nest 20 years. We do indeed get more choices and it isn't fair. There are no 100% perfect condoms, BC pills, shots etc. All forms of birth control other than abstinence have the chance of failing. So saying that he should wear a condom is rather a moot point. There are women and men as well who will deliberately sabotage the condom in an attempt to "trap" the other in a long term relationship. I take a hard stance on the whole issue. I think that if you are choosing sex then you are also choosing to accept the risk of pregnancy, std's, emotional pain and everything else that goes with it. If a man and woman choose to have sex with one another then in my opinion, they need to be ready to deal with any consequences that arise from that choice together as well. One of the reasons I'm still a virgin is because I choose not to face the risks associated with sexual activity just yet. Until I meet the man who I can trust to share those risks with I'll take care of myself sexually.
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WhenDreamsDie wrote:

I agree that it isn't fair that women seem to get to make more of the choices when it comes to pregnancy & childbirth. She can choose to deliberately get pregnant, choose to have an abortion or not, and choose to sue the guy she had sex with and make him pay child support for the nest 20 years. We do indeed get more choices and it isn't fair. There are no 100% perfect condoms, BC pills, shots etc. All forms of birth control other than abstinence have the chance of failing. So saying that he should wear a condom is rather a moot point. There are women and men as well who will deliberately sabotage the condom in an attempt to "trap" the other in a long term relationship. I take a hard stance on the whole issue. I think that if you are choosing sex then you are also choosing to accept the risk of pregnancy, std's, emotional pain and everything else that goes with it. If a man and woman choose to have sex with one another then in my opinion, they need to be ready to deal with any consequences that arise from that choice together as well. One of the reasons I'm still a virgin is because I choose not to face the risks associated with sexual activity just yet. Until I meet the man who I can trust to share those risks with I'll take care of myself sexually.
That's why I find all forms of arbitrary cultural obligation that's not being agreed upon by the people who are in a long term relationship to be unnatural at best. It's as if you want some sort of idealistic illusion of safety, in an otherwise imperfect world where risk and consequence are natural with any action.(Which happens to be my view about religious individuals and their relationships with their god(s))

However, the same can be said that those who did something for themselves is precisely because of what comes after their actions; their hope to change the status quote, when future is uncertainty. And it's for that reason alone that I must primarily be an optimist, and not just a hopeless romantic.

(yeah I wish )
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