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Abortion woman rights but where are the mans rights.
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GOD that took long, just read through the last 3 pages of posts. I don't really feel like writing too much now but I'll see what I can come up with.

Your main opinion seems to be that that women should be forced to not abort their fetus but keep it if they had sex with a shitload of men for the sake of pleasure. The problem with this is that it is not the woman that suffers from this the most - it's the soon-to-be child as 1. The woman becomes a single parent (financial difficulties, one-sided childhood (single-gender parents, some things that the child should learn from its parents wont ever be taught because only the other gender can teach about it) etc.) and 2. The woman does not really want the child and thus has to force her behavior towards it, alternatively have a very bad behavior towards it (neglect, abuse, abandonment etc.) (Note that these issues do not happen for every household, it may happen for some and may not happen for some. Some may happen despite of both parents being present, in which case they would have a higher probability of happening here).


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If a girl has unprotected sex with a man, and gets pregnant, its her fault, as she knew the risks, but choose to ignore them.


As did the man, which means that it shouldn't be only the woman that gets forced to raise the child. If one should be forced then so should the other.


Repeat offenders - neuter / sterilize
Sociopath has nothing to do with sexuality - Sociopath = Antisocial Personality Disorder
Pedophiles - sure why not, we can neuter them too.


If by "repeat offenders" you mean "repeated sex offenders (as in sexual crimes that affects others)" then I see no problem. Then again having neutering as a repeated offenses punishment would probably severely decrease the crime rate... But this is getting a bit off-track.


If I would neuter / sterilize men who go around getting girls pregnant or spreading AIDS, the logically I would spay / sterilize women who do the same.


The thing about women going around to spread STDs is that even if you neuter them they can still have proper sex (unlike a man if you chop off his balls), and surgically removing the entire genitalia would be far to complex and risky, and "sewing up" the "entrance" can be pretty easily reversed by an unofficial surgical procedure.
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Then you just made another illogical contradiction, when you dismissed early abortion as a part of total family planning options, safe sex included.


So when a women knows that she can get pregnant if she has unprotected sex, ignores that, has unprotected sex anyway and get pregnant. Its illogical to blame her for her making a poor choice ? That makes no sense. Its 100% her fault.
So what about the man? You biased sexist pig.


Sure why not. If you know of some way to find the father you can make him go get a job and raise it too. I see no problem with that
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DrYg wrote:

As did the man, which means that it shouldn't be only the woman that gets forced to raise the child. If one should be forced then so should the other.


There's nothing wrong with that.


If by "repeat offenders" you mean "repeated sex offenders (as in sexual crimes that affects others)" then I see no problem. Then again having neutering as a repeated offenses punishment would probably severely decrease the crime rate... But this is getting a bit off-track.


Yes, repeat sex offenders. Neutering someone for repeat shop lifting makes no sense.


The thing about women going around to spread STDs is that even if you neuter them they can still have proper sex (unlike a man if you chop off his balls), and surgically removing the entire genitalia would be far to complex and risky, and "sewing up" the "entrance" can be pretty easily reversed by an unofficial surgical procedure.


I suppose that is true.
Posted 8/25/10

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Sure why not. If you know of some way to find the father you can make him go get a job and raise it too. I see no problem with that
That's both irresponsible and irrational, when it's not the father who's body can be pregnant with an unborn. In other words, there's nothing other than moral conduct and social contract, to stop a man from spreading his seeds. As according to your logic.
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DomFortress wrote:

That's both irresponsible and irrational, when it's not the father who's body can be pregnant with an unborn. In other words, there's nothing other than moral conduct and social contract, to stop a man from spreading his seeds. As according to your logic.


Well what else stops a man from spreading his seed ?
Posted 8/25/10

Allhailodin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That's both irresponsible and irrational, when it's not the father who's body can be pregnant with an unborn. In other words, there's nothing other than moral conduct and social contract, to stop a man from spreading his seeds. As according to your logic.


Well what else stops a man from spreading his seed ?
At least your inhumane and malicious tactic of "mandatory vasectomy" tend to suit your immoral and antisocial viewpoint just fine.
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Posted 8/25/10

DomFortress wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That's both irresponsible and irrational, when it's not the father who's body can be pregnant with an unborn. In other words, there's nothing other than moral conduct and social contract, to stop a man from spreading his seeds. As according to your logic.


Well what else stops a man from spreading his seed ?
At least your inhumane and malicious tactic of "mandatory vasectomy" tend to suit your immoral and antisocial viewpoint just fine.


You didn't answer the question
Posted 8/25/10 , edited 8/25/10

Allhailodin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:



Well what else stops a man from spreading his seed ?
At least your inhumane and malicious tactic of "mandatory vasectomy" tend to suit your immoral and antisocial viewpoint just fine.


You didn't answer the question
I'm feeding you with your own logic, just as I had promised. When you've no intention of discussing alternative.
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I don't get people who seem to respond with use condoms and birth control. I know married couples who have been on both because neither were ready for kids and somehow ended up with them. You CAN get a bad batch of condoms without knowing it. Not everyone is some "OMFG RAMPANT WHORE!", this is such a shitty example because it wants to deliberately label people as shameful for having sex.

The turning pregnancy into a punishment is also pretty disgusting. Pregnancy is supposed to be a joyous time for the people who want kids. Not some sort of Old Testament biblical mental torture device.

Condoms and the pill make things safer, but condom/pill babies still exist. Same for those who completely ignore the fact that some women can't take birth control due to health complications, some women who get chronic cysts. These people aren't nonexistent.

Men shouldn't get say, maybe that's unfair but biologically speaking it's been unfair for thousands of years. If a man gets to tell a woman she has to give birth to a baby, he gets to tell her to get rid of it too logically, right? What if the woman is the one who wants to keep it and the man who doesn't? Does he still get to tell her what to do with her pregnancy?
Posted 9/4/10

femmenoir wrote:

I don't get people who seem to respond with use condoms and birth control. I know married couples who have been on both because neither were ready for kids and somehow ended up with them. You CAN get a bad batch of condoms without knowing it. Not everyone is some "OMFG RAMPANT WHORE!", this is such a shitty example because it wants to deliberately label people as shameful for having sex.

The turning pregnancy into a punishment is also pretty disgusting. Pregnancy is supposed to be a joyous time for the people who want kids. Not some sort of Old Testament biblical mental torture device.

Condoms and the pill make things safer, but condom/pill babies still exist. Same for those who completely ignore the fact that some women can't take birth control due to health complications, some women who get chronic cysts. These people aren't nonexistent.

Men shouldn't get say, maybe that's unfair but biologically speaking it's been unfair for thousands of years. If a man gets to tell a woman she has to give birth to a baby, he gets to tell her to get rid of it too logically, right? What if the woman is the one who wants to keep it and the man who doesn't? Does he still get to tell her what to do with her pregnancy?
IMHO, I can only tell my girlfriend about my thought and feeling about the unplanned pregnancy, and let her decide on what to do after I've spoke my peace.
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Posted 9/5/10

DomFortress wrote:


femmenoir wrote:

I don't get people who seem to respond with use condoms and birth control. I know married couples who have been on both because neither were ready for kids and somehow ended up with them. You CAN get a bad batch of condoms without knowing it. Not everyone is some "OMFG RAMPANT WHORE!", this is such a shitty example because it wants to deliberately label people as shameful for having sex.

The turning pregnancy into a punishment is also pretty disgusting. Pregnancy is supposed to be a joyous time for the people who want kids. Not some sort of Old Testament biblical mental torture device.

Condoms and the pill make things safer, but condom/pill babies still exist. Same for those who completely ignore the fact that some women can't take birth control due to health complications, some women who get chronic cysts. These people aren't nonexistent.

Men shouldn't get say, maybe that's unfair but biologically speaking it's been unfair for thousands of years. If a man gets to tell a woman she has to give birth to a baby, he gets to tell her to get rid of it too logically, right? What if the woman is the one who wants to keep it and the man who doesn't? Does he still get to tell her what to do with her pregnancy?
IMHO, I can only tell my girlfriend about my thought and feeling about the unplanned pregnancy, and let her decide on what to do after I've spoke my peace.


I was lucky enough to find someone who felt the same way about kids as I do. Neither of us want them ever, really. Our families are pretty disappointed, since there's marriage talk, but we're at peace with it. ( we're black sheep, they'll probably be disappointed with the elopement too )
Posted 9/5/10

femmenoir wrote:



I was lucky enough to find someone who felt the same way about kids as I do. Neither of us want them ever, really. Our families are pretty disappointed, since there's marriage talk, but we're at peace with it. ( we're black sheep, they'll probably be disappointed with the elopement too )
Tell me about it, since my Chinese ethnic tradition is biased towards boys, because only male offspring can inherit the family namesakes. I had to pretty much told my folks to back-off from my girlfriend, 'less they risk driving the both of us insane with their arbitrary family obligation.
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longfenglim wrote:

He should've thought about that before 'doing it'. The Woman is physically going through pain, the man, not so much.


You need to grow up allot in the next few years. One I can see you really do not know much about pain there are far more painful thing in life then giving birth. Such as a burn victims, being cut from belly button to you side to have surgery on the gualbaber, there are far more then I care to talk about. And child birth is an action done between to consenting adult. Get pregnant because both of you were to lazy or broke is no excuse.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I do place women far more responsible one this because unprotected sex women are far greater to come down with illness and a baby. but the thing that get me is just how much you by into this victim status if you see yourself as a victim you will always be one. Think for your self stop parenting other people trash.-----------------------------------------------------------The joy and pain of a parent and the commented to the child should be taken seriously just not and accident oh my I a victim. I had unprotected sex and look at what he did to me. I'm not not sure which is lesser of two evils the Noe Nazi feminist or I am a victim crowed


Yes, there are more painful things, its just that in the action of a giving birth, all the pain and labor fall upon the woman to give birth to the child, the man, not so much. And childbirth is not an action done between two consenting adults- the woman is the one giving birth while the man stands around gawking, and, if there is only one parent, for whatever reason, and the man isn't there to gawk around, it still won't make a difference.

But, lets come to a compromise- say that the man could support the child, and that he is willing to 'buy' it off the mother who doesn't want it. Then the mother is compensated for her pains, the child goes to a loving, though single, parent's house, and the father has something that no amount of money can buy, a blood-child and his (the baby's) unconditional love.
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The sad parts is a unwanted child will pay the price in the end. If for child support or to trap a man or what ever reason. the kid gets the short end.
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