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Behold a thread for the discussion and debate of all theories of creation and evolution. Life as we know it. Sciences, religion, or theories thought up while on acid. A.K.A Scientology and all those other new age scams. :p, Forgive the crude joke.

Anyway I don’t like the Darwinian Theory. I think it was a great stride for our understanding of evolution, but that it. Lately its been wavering and in danger. Well, perhaps that’s an exaggeration, but we keep on modifying it if nothing else. I can go in more depth, if somebody has the request, but honestly I think that Darwin’s original theory was full of half-truths.

That's my comment.

P.SNow, I know this is going to tick off a bunch of the anti-Christian atheist on here, who are narrow minded and automatically assume that religious people in general are weak and stupid, but this is not a religion bashing thread. Nor is it a science bashing thread. So I ask you now, please, for the sake of an intellectual and educational thread, please keep “EVOLUTION IS STUPID!!! DUHS! WE ALL CMAE FROM GOD!” or “Religion is something people have made as a crutch. Only a moron would think we all came from an old man on Pluto!” Or any of that other childish crap to your selves. You're welcome to think that, but unless your going to express it in a mature way then we don't want you to express it at all. Sure, you have the freedom to do so, but I kindly ask you not to. Much thanks.
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Hey seraph, no offence but your threads aren't too popular. Look, religion is most likely total B.S. but people want something to believe in. Most of them probably know it's fake, but they want hope that their lives weren't for nothing, and that there is actually paradise out there.
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^that's more for the religion thread, and what seraph was trying to say is don't be completely one sided. Either by saying religion is bs or science is unholy.
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FatedEmperor wrote:

Hey seraph, no offence but your threads aren't too popular. Look, religion is most likely total B.S. but people want something to believe in. Most of them probably know it's fake, but they want hope that their lives weren't for nothing, and that there is actually paradise out there.


*Sigh* .....

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i wonder if theyll let this thread stay, or just redierect it to either theories on evolution thread or religious beliefs, as both ended up discussing both sides anyway.

surely youve read enough to know the positions of most people here! right? agnostics united remember hahahaha

but if you insist...youre right. the darwinian theory is always being changed. and whats wrong with that? an old professor of mine for government used to say john stuart mill's quote alot. it went something like if you have an idea and you believe that this idea is true, then you hold it and test it against other ideas. if it stands the tests, then it is true. if not, then you know better knowing that what you believed in was false. thats of course in relation to government, but the same can be said about everything else. so i dont mind that the darwinian theory of evolution is constantly being tested and changed..i guess you can say its sort of adapting in its own way and if one day it cant adapt anymore, then its either turned into a law of nature, or its failed. simple as that.
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These treads aren't too popular because they actually require thought and more than two word answers. Most popular threads are crap, but that is a story for another time.

I look at it this way, the theory of evolution is probably going to change in the future. Every theory has, such as the solar system and planets, or the atomic model, as science progresses the theories change to better reflect the scientific knowledge at the time, thats why they are called theories, not facts.

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red3finition wrote:

i wonder if theyll let this thread stay, or just redierect it to either theories on evolution thread or religious beliefs, as both ended up discussing both sides anyway.

surely youve read enough to know the positions of most people here! right? agnostics united remember hahahaha

but if you insist...youre right. the darwinian theory is always being changed. and whats wrong with that? an old professor of mine for government used to say john stuart mill's quote alot. it went something like if you have an idea and you believe that this idea is true, then you hold it and test it against other ideas. if it stands the tests, then it is true. if not, then you know better knowing that what you believed in was false. thats of course in relation to government, but the same can be said about everything else. so i dont mind that the darwinian theory of evolution is constantly being tested and changed..i guess you can say its sort of adapting in its own way and if one day it cant adapt anymore, then its either turned into a law of nature, or its failed. simple as that.


Yes, that’s a very good point. I especially like the quote, reminds me of the Socratic Method of teaching. Well I guess it is only adapting, but none the less I don’t like spending time to read The Origin of Species when it’s not 100% accurate and can thus be misleading. I understand people’s desire to go back and learn the early and pure form of this theory, but isn’t it better to dedicate yourself to the modern studies that take to note Darwin and all his theories plus our modern scientific breakthroughs?

Well, I guess that’s going off topic, but I still think that the original Darwinism was in large portion false.


notruthinaworldoflies wrote:

These treads aren't too popular because they actually require thought and more than two word answers. Most popular threads are crap, but that is a story for another time.

I look at it this way, the theory of evolution is probably going to change in the future. Every theory has, such as the solar system and planets, or the atomic model, as science progresses the theories change to better reflect the scientific knowledge at the time, thats why they are called theories, not facts.



A-man to that! Well, I’m sure you’re right. The theory will probably evolve as time elapses. Historically speaking the solar system was a very good example. From Kepler’s discover that the earth and other planets in our solar system rotate around the sun, to Galileo’s false theory that the earth’s movement caused the tides.

Well, the point of my comment was to express that I don’t follow the Darwinian theory, not necessarily to discuss it’s progression.

Honestly I’m religious so I believe in God. However, I think that the Christian religion and evolution complement each other. There is nothing that I know of in the bible that states “evolution is real” in stone, but it does often suggest it. We know that Humans came from animals came from plants came from the earth. The bible says God made Adam out of the clay, which could, however unlikely, be an extremely simplified description of evolution.

But wait! It also says it took God 6 days. Evolution obviously takes more than 6 days. It’s a gradual process of natural selection that slowly causes minor changes in organisms in each generation. But, the bible says (This may not be the word for word quote but it expresses the same meaning in the end.) “An eternity is but a day for God!”

There are just little hints like that. I don’t see why people say it has to be one or the other. Logically speaking there obviously has to be a start. A beginning. But for their to be a beginning of time there must be an entity or artifact that exists outside of time.

I don’t necessarily think “God” is some magical chimera. Rather I think he/she/it is an entity in which all these things are possible on a scientific though supper natural level. A set of laws we cannot comprehend. That’s a theory, of course, but I strongly support science because it is heavily backed by evidence and religion because using common comprehensive skills I can see there must be something there. Also, nobody can offer much of a counter argument against God, gods, goddesses, or deities of any sort. Flatly put divinities are above our comprehension, and we cannot argue against something that we don’t understand. We can nix them, but this is the narrow minded ignorance that breads those Christians who refuse to believe in evolution despite the solid rock evidence displayed before us.

That's my theory and opinion.



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Oh yes! I think, therefore I am! For all I know I can be imagining everyone around me...
Posted 6/1/07
I sometimes think that we are told that there is some sort of a paradise/heaven afterlife so it gives everyone hope and something to actually look forward to when they die.
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Well it is much easier to assume there is a utopian kingdom waiting for us. Still, we don't have any good reason to think that paradise doesn't exist. It's that Why? Why not? type of argument.
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BubbleGumx wrote:

I sometimes think that we are told that there is some sort of a paradise/heaven afterlife so it gives everyone hope and something to actually look forward to when they die.


Who seriously look forward to die though. Me being stubborn to the fact that I have shunned every religon that people pushed on me thinks a very very atheistic view on everything. What other believe its their own view of life. I personally think that we have no purpose in life when we are borned but its what we make out of it later in life that determines our "destiny" if you will.

I'm the kind of person who says "if you have no proof, I don't believe you." And so far everything from science points towards the theory of evolution so thats what I believe in right now.
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hey seraph, arent you christian? youre bordering heresy there with your he/she/it deal! hahahahah

okay so the origin of species is flawed. true that. but its not like everyone reads it. they refer to it, and when something challenges it, they change it for the better. thats for progression.

ok assuming there is a beginning..but beginning and end are just words we use to try and put time into perspective. time is linear; i think it may have been einstein who said so. and there maybe a being that lives outside of time. but thats where i stop. MAYBE there is a being out there. but being the agnostic, i really require proof and seeing as that may not come soon, i just disregard it. i guess im more of a realist than an optimist..i think things happen because you made them happen, not some divine being moving us, you get?

o crap, i lost my trail of thought. will get back to it LOL

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THATS HOW PEOPLE LEARN is what i wanted to say. they have to find out that the information given to them was not exactly true. THE WORLD WAS FLAT. people believed it so but when a new plausible idea was given, it was not completely accepted. then more proof. same with evolution OR religion. it has to be proven. and i think this is where the argument lies. you can hate me now seraph. while science allows its ideas to be tested and proven wrong to change, religion may have been proven wrong (some may argue), but they wont change. that, my friend, is what you people call faith. and more power to you for that. but thats what i think.
Posted 6/1/07

FatedEmperor wrote:

Hey seraph, no offence but your threads aren't too popular. Look, religion is most likely total B.S. but people want something to believe in. Most of them probably know it's fake, but they want hope that their lives weren't for nothing, and that there is actually paradise out there.


i dont like your threads
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FatedEmperor wrote:

Hey seraph, no offence but your threads aren't too popular. Look, religion is most likely total B.S. but people want something to believe in. Most of them probably know it's fake, but they want hope that their lives weren't for nothing, and that there is actually paradise out there.



TRUE religion is just B.S.

and

there is no god and i will say it again THERE IS NO GOD.
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^^yes there is
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Stop!! Don't be all like RELIGION IS BS!! GOD IS A NON-EXISTANT BEING! Please, you're only making it worse for poor ol' Seraph *hugs*, btw you make too many threads O.o Grrr... Anyways... Evolution I think is real, I mean seriously, Did god make the Platypus? I mean it's kinda like evolution...
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