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Are We all "Really" here?
Posted 8/23/10
So here you are, reading my forum topic through your optical sensor known as the eyes. But what's to say that whatever you're perceiving with your own eyes is believable as the existence of an objective reality? Are you even a part of this existence for you are real simply because of your self-awareness? Had René Descartes assumed too quickly that "I think therefore I am" was a sufficient justification of self-evidence for our independent individuality? When our own awareness can only comprised of our own conscious rational selves, and even still it's plagued with natural fallacies known as "loss aversion", "confirmation bias", and "representativeness".

If anything, my questions only raised the many issues that associated with our own human intellects. That even before we independently encounter another mind(really?) other than our owns, our own mind was already subjective to our own sensory perceptions. In other words, what we individually came to believed as the reality as we know it, is still just a product of our own brain, which is itself constantly under the assault of our own sensory preceptors.

Now as if that wasn't enough to blew your mind, here's the real catch; what's not to believe the possibility of our self-awareness/"creation" was caused by manipulation of our sensory perception alone? As in how we can be sure that anyone of us really exist as we are now? When I've just made the analogy that even our own self-awareness is subjectively a byproduct of our own brain.
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Posted 8/23/10
So you watched the Matrix recently, the red or blue pill. I will stick with "I think therefore I am" Or It might be a good conversation along time ago when I did some stupid things with drugs. Self awareness, smell, taste, touch, see, feel numerous emotions, but did l learn anything a wast of money and time and risked my health. For and insight of what ? You create your owe world or you follow others. if your really messed up every day you wake up and ask your self why am I still here. What purpose do I have here life just to breath, eat , meet basic needs then what? To do the best that I can for me others is that all there is I to life? Here to day dust tomorrow in one generation I will have nothing that says I lived here.
Posted 8/23/10

tarakelly wrote:

So you watched the Matrix recently, the red or blue pill. I will stick with "I think therefore I am" Or It might be a good conversation along time ago when I did some stupid things with drugs. Self awareness, smell, taste, touch, see, feel numerous emotions, but did l learn anything a wast of money and time and risked my health. For and insight of what ? You create your owe world or you follow others. if your really messed up every day you wake up and ask your self why am I still here. What purpose do I have here life just to breath, eat , meet basic needs then what? To do the best that I can for me others is that all there is I to life? Here to day dust tomorrow in one generation I will have nothing that says I lived here.
There's a major difference with my analogy, as oppose to the Matrix trilogy which still limited itself within the concept of self-awareness; I'm saying that even your thinking self is just an assumption, which itself is subjective of your own brain. Thereby who are you as nobody but the subjective conceptualization of your own brain, that in the end what makes you humane could very well just be your own emotional-self. Which BTW no logical concept of equality nor fairness can be a fare judge of emotions, but only others who are capable of feelings the same range of emotions just like you can.

Even still, are you fully capable if expressing your own emotional self? When you're stuck just like Descartes and the rest of the Matrix fanatics are, with only your "I think therefore I am" concept.
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Posted 8/23/10
Well you can break-it down to a intellectual self and emotional self then the sweet spot where both are combined self realization. now for and out side force to play on ones mind to achieve what? We understand are self to be multi cell living self aware animals that live in a solar system which is part of milky way galaxy then the universe. Then again everything i understand could all that I understand fee thing communicating to you be done in a petri dish It possible if you want to take I that far out. I am only familiar with the first one never paid much attention to the squeal.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People generally are the sum of all their knowledge experience that are color by our chemical make up as well past experience and expectation. So with that stated we are individuals I can only go by my experience and judgements I can not read minds but there is intuition from experience and insight that we all have this, but how far are they developed in each person. What you ate for breakfast can put a better spin on out look in that period of time. But it true that we all have predigest, basis, that an on going process with most people and changes or gets reinforced by present contact with others. That part of being a self aware being and consider a higher life form. If you use the same resource for information that is also a self fulling bias. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I probably missing the mark because of my own bias and experiences, I can apply many different experience and knowledge and apply to what I see or a given set of parameters. However to describe nothing as nothing you still need a set of parameters to define nothing. Is being alive real or do we have other selves that are or not connected.
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Posted 8/23/10 , edited 8/23/10
You guys on crack?
Posted 8/24/10

tarakelly wrote:

Well you can break-it down to a intellectual self and emotional self then the sweet spot where both are combined self realization. now for and out side force to play on ones mind to achieve what? We understand are self to be multi cell living self aware animals that live in a solar system which is part of milky way galaxy then the universe. Then again everything i understand could all that I understand fee thing communicating to you be done in a petri dish It possible if you want to take I that far out. I am only familiar with the first one never paid much attention to the squeal.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People generally are the sum of all their knowledge experience that are color by our chemical make up as well past experience and expectation. So with that stated we are individuals I can only go by my experience and judgements I can not read minds but there is intuition from experience and insight that we all have this, but how far are they developed in each person. What you ate for breakfast can put a better spin on out look in that period of time. But it true that we all have predigest, basis, that an on going process with most people and changes or gets reinforced by present contact with others. That part of being a self aware being and consider a higher life form. If you use the same resource for information that is also a self fulling bias. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I probably missing the mark because of my own bias and experiences, I can apply many different experience and knowledge and apply to what I see or a given set of parameters. However to describe nothing as nothing you still need a set of parameters to define nothing. Is being alive real or do we have other selves that are or not connected.
You are still mistaking the difference between "subjective" and "objective", as in everything that's subjective of something else cannot have a self-purpose other than what it's function supposed to be, whereas anything with an objective towards somethings has a will of its own. Thereby self-actualization is only made possible with an objective emotional-self, while self-awareness is only a subjective mentality, one that's void of emotions nor memories of its past experience. We can see the proof of that just by us observing the personality change of an individual that's suffering from amnesia:

Symptoms

In addition to problems with information recall and the formation of new memories, people with amnestic disorders are often disoriented with respect to time and space, which means that they are unable to tell an examiner where they are or what day of the week it is. Most patients with amnestic disorders lack insight into their loss of memory, which means that they will deny that there is anything wrong with their memory in spite of evidence to the contrary. Others will admit that they have a memory problem but have no apparent emotional reaction to their condition. Some persons with amnestic disorders undergo a personality change; they may appear apathetic or bland, as if the distinctive features of their personality have been washed out of them.(citation)



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You guys on crack?
You need to have more authentic expression beyond the typical and generic reaction in ED.
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Posted 8/24/10

aerrowcross wrote:

You guys on crack?


You will have to fill me in on that never did cocaine or any derived of it, which cocaine and baking soda are combined. Then to smoke the trash you need to get it really hot and pull that trash into your lungs. I have seen the affects from paranoid behavior to looking for a piece that may have pop out of the pipe. The thin bodies lose of fat, muscle mass, as well and the key marker is the teeth routed out along the gum line. Do you enjoy that stuff and how do you get the money for it. When I was a kid they would sell pot at the elementary school Down in Miami FL, Junior high you could get just about anything you wanted is still the same.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To me the should legalize all drugs then your free to over dose life is full of choice just because it legal doing is still stupid. But that would cut down crime and get rid of problem people fairly fast that would be a benefit instead of jailing them up and paying way to much money to keep them feed and clothed. I guess a Crack Head should be able to pick out how is and how is not. So why the mistake or is it puberty messing with your head.
Posted 8/24/10

aerrowcross wrote:

You guys on crack?


Well it's no secret that most of the users here are on crack and they'll attempt to deny it.
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Posted 8/24/10

aerrowcross wrote:
You guys on crack?



jandarujora wrote:
Well it's no secret that most of the users here are on crack and they'll attempt to deny it.


No, not crack. Sometimes it's just the inexplicable exploration of educated ennui.
& it's not so much the questions "Who am I?" & "Why am I here?" as it's a question of "Who do I want to be?" & "What shall I do while I'm here?" I'm over 1/2 a century old & I'm still having fun working on the last 2 questions having long since abandoned the 1st 2 as total time wasters. Queries, such as DomFortress poses aren't for everyone, but they're most often worth perusal for the brain activity they induce.
Posted 8/24/10 , edited 8/25/10

farmbird wrote:


aerrowcross wrote:
You guys on crack?



jandarujora wrote:
Well it's no secret that most of the users here are on crack and they'll attempt to deny it.


No, not crack. Sometimes it's just the inexplicable exploration of educated ennui.
& it's not so much the questions "Who am I?" & "Why am I here?" as it's a question of "Who do I want to be?" & "What shall I do while I'm here?" I'm over 1/2 a century old & I'm still having fun working on the last 2 questions having long since abandoned the 1st 2 as total time wasters. Queries, such as DomFortress poses aren't for everyone, but they're most often worth perusal for the brain activity they induce.
Interesting approach that you've got there, while the logic of "creation" and "existence" serves no purpose because of how subjective that either concepts are, the very act based on your own will can be the proof of your own existence, that's independently outside of any logic system.
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Posted 8/24/10
That a good way to put it, we were up way to late last night I tried to corner Domfortess but his better at word soup than I am.
Posted 8/24/10

tarakelly wrote:

That a good way to put it, we were up way to late last night I tried to corner Domfortess but his better at word soup than I am.
Not so fast there, when the very existence of an individual's will due to one's action must not escape the realm of morality. And while nature itself still has its own biological moral system known as the "tit-for-tat", you still got some explaining to do with the nature of your own will. As in when you expressed yourself that you are in favor of war, do you thereby wish that others will engage war on your person based on your own moral conduct?
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Posted 8/26/10
Why do my post keep getting removed this is to the moderator.
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Posted 8/27/10
I had similar troubling thoughts and questions as you did DomFortress.

But I took a bite out of this amazing taco and drank some amazing strawberry milk. After that I realized that everything is real and exactly as I perceive it to be.
Posted 8/27/10
I've questioned whether or not I really exist, or whether my existence is actually just the thoughts or dreams of another person, but at the end of the day I can feel, I can see, and I can think, so even if I do not truly exist I perceive myself to be "here" and that is enough for me.
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