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Are We all "Really" here?
Posted 9/2/10

physychodelic22 wrote:

I used to wonder that stuff all the time,
then I thought too much into it thinking about other things like
what if my friends arn't real and im talking to air, and everyone thinks i'm crazy
or that everyone could read my mind... that freaked me out
then i realized if it ends up being that all this is true its better not to know
to just live happy in my own little real or fake world
That's why I subtitled my topic with the following: "exit to reality, assume skepticism". Welcome to my world, where uncertainty is the norm.
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Posted 9/3/10
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Posted 9/3/10
While Descartes did mention God and an Evil Decipher in meditations, I don't think this relation to theism is really ad hominem doesn't contribute or take away from intellectual merit of his argument. We cannot say for certain Plato's stance on the Gods, but again think that it's an ad hominem attack on the writer to dismiss his intellectual contributions. And lastly, there are already plenty of social science publications that have argued that human culture is both artificial and arbitrary, as well as unnatural. I think it'd actually be hard to find a counter thesis in academia.

I mean every grad school student reads thomas kuhn in one of their intro grad school courses.
Posted 9/3/10

GoodAsianDriver wrote:

While Descartes did mention God and an Evil Decipher in meditations, I don't think this relation to theism is really ad hominem doesn't contribute or take away from intellectual merit of his argument. We cannot say for certain Plato's stance on the Gods, but again think that it's an ad hominem attack on the writer to dismiss his intellectual contributions. And lastly, there are already plenty of social science publications that have argued that human culture is both artificial and arbitrary, as well as unnatural. I think it'd actually be hard to find a counter thesis in academia.

I mean every grad school student reads thomas kuhn in one of their intro grad school courses.
It's not ad hominem, when religions are a part of human cultures. Thereby I discounted both of their theories about the nature of reality, because their merits were supernatural in origin.
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Posted 9/3/10 , edited 9/3/10
That's like me saying crunchyroll forums are a part of human cultures. I thereby discount your theory because of it's origin.

Language is a part of human cultures. It's artificial. So where do you draw the line?

You're not impressing anyone.
Posted 9/3/10

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That's like me saying crunchyroll forums are a part of human cultures. I thereby discount your theory because of it's origin.

Language is a part of human cultures. It's artificial. So where do you draw the line?

You're not impressing anyone.
I draw the line at cold logic, when you just uncritically discounted your own statement because it too is on the same medium as mine.

You're thereby illogical, when humans had to be sociologically nurtured in order for them to master a language system, but they have the biological potential to use language.
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Posted 12/30/10
I have never placed much importance on questioning my existence.

It doesn't matter if someone claims this is a dream or something made up. The fact of the matter is we are all stuck here until we die. If we can't awaken to this "true reality" then I say lets drop the matter. I prefer to seek out a purpose and a productive way of life instead of contemplating things out of my control.
Posted 12/30/10

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I have never placed much importance on questioning my existence.

It doesn't matter if someone claims this is a dream or something made up. The fact of the matter is we are all stuck here until we die. If we can't awaken to this "true reality" then I say lets drop the matter. I prefer to seek out a purpose and a productive way of life instead of contemplating things out of my control.


A wise choice given how we only have so much time. I know that I am here and recognize that I can chose my own way of life. No amount of contemplation or meditation on a subject changes that.
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Posted 12/30/10

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Burst_knuckle wrote:

I have never placed much importance on questioning my existence.

It doesn't matter if someone claims this is a dream or something made up. The fact of the matter is we are all stuck here until we die. If we can't awaken to this "true reality" then I say lets drop the matter. I prefer to seek out a purpose and a productive way of life instead of contemplating things out of my control.


A wise choice given how we only have so much time. I know that I am here and recognize that I can chose my own way of life. No amount of contemplation or meditation on a subject changes that.


I am always amazed at how sweet words of wisdom are! Its best to keep ones self focused on the whole picture.
Posted 12/30/10

Burst_knuckle wrote:


Suisighd wrote:


Burst_knuckle wrote:

I have never placed much importance on questioning my existence.

It doesn't matter if someone claims this is a dream or something made up. The fact of the matter is we are all stuck here until we die. If we can't awaken to this "true reality" then I say lets drop the matter. I prefer to seek out a purpose and a productive way of life instead of contemplating things out of my control.


A wise choice given how we only have so much time. I know that I am here and recognize that I can chose my own way of life. No amount of contemplation or meditation on a subject changes that.


I am always amazed at how sweet words of wisdom are! Its best to keep ones self focused on the whole picture.


Take note that no matter how well we've been taught, we can still momentarily forget valuable lesson and make mistakes. Even one slip in this world can spell disaster.
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Posted 12/30/10 , edited 12/30/10

Suisighd wrote:


Burst_knuckle wrote:


Suisighd wrote:


Burst_knuckle wrote:

I have never placed much importance on questioning my existence.

It doesn't matter if someone claims this is a dream or something made up. The fact of the matter is we are all stuck here until we die. If we can't awaken to this "true reality" then I say lets drop the matter. I prefer to seek out a purpose and a productive way of life instead of contemplating things out of my control.


A wise choice given how we only have so much time. I know that I am here and recognize that I can chose my own way of life. No amount of contemplation or meditation on a subject changes that.


I am always amazed at how sweet words of wisdom are! Its best to keep ones self focused on the whole picture.


Take note that no matter how well we've been taught, we can still momentarily forget valuable lesson and make mistakes. Even one slip in this world can spell disaster.


Of course
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Posted 12/31/10

DomFortress wrote:
I draw the line at cold logic, when you just uncritically discounted your own statement because it too is on the same medium as mine.


Isn't logic also a product of human culture? Logic itself only exists because of our cognitive abilities, the same abilities that have produced every religion that has ever existed. So if you discount a person's reasoning because of their belief in god(s) because they are a result of human cognition, you must also discount your own reasoning since logic itself is a result of human cognition.

Even ignoring that and assuming logic is an inherent part of nature, how are you sure that your perception of logic is "real?" If you are uncertain about your own existence, why are you certain about the methodology you use to discredit and verify that existence?
Posted 12/31/10

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DomFortress wrote:
I draw the line at cold logic, when you just uncritically discounted your own statement because it too is on the same medium as mine.


Isn't logic also a product of human culture? Logic itself only exists because of our cognitive abilities, the same abilities that have produced every religion that has ever existed. So if you discount a person's reasoning because of their belief in god(s) because they are a result of human cognition, you must also discount your own reasoning since logic itself is a result of human cognition.

Even ignoring that and assuming logic is an inherent part of nature, how are you sure that your perception of logic is "real?" If you are uncertain about your own existence, why are you certain about the methodology you use to discredit and verify that existence?
Can basic math be subjective under human culture? Is the rule of non-contradiction a byproduct of human cognitive ability alone? Or they're simply a part of objective reality existing outside of ourselves, just as we're a part of that existence.

I was never uncertain about my self-awareness was a byproduct of my brain in my OP, therefore is the unproven belief of a human spirit that I do not have.
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Posted 1/1/11

DomFortress wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:


DomFortress wrote:
I draw the line at cold logic, when you just uncritically discounted your own statement because it too is on the same medium as mine.


Isn't logic also a product of human culture? Logic itself only exists because of our cognitive abilities, the same abilities that have produced every religion that has ever existed. So if you discount a person's reasoning because of their belief in god(s) because they are a result of human cognition, you must also discount your own reasoning since logic itself is a result of human cognition.

Even ignoring that and assuming logic is an inherent part of nature, how are you sure that your perception of logic is "real?" If you are uncertain about your own existence, why are you certain about the methodology you use to discredit and verify that existence?
Can basic math be subjective under human culture? Is the rule of non-contradiction a byproduct of human cognitive ability alone? Or they're simply a part of objective reality existing outside of ourselves, just as we're a part of that existence.

I was never uncertain about my self-awareness was a byproduct of my brain in my OP, therefore is the unproven belief of a human spirit that I do not have.


There was no concept of zero in western mathematics until muslim/arab for you, since you like bashing anything which relates to muslims/ traders introduced it - 0, 1, 2, 3, ... are arabic numbers, while roman numbers start from I, then II, III, IV, V,...
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Posted 1/1/11

DomFortress wrote:
Can basic math be subjective under human culture? Is the rule of non-contradiction a byproduct of human cognitive ability alone? Or they're simply a part of objective reality existing outside of ourselves, just as we're a part of that existence.


Basic math can be subjective depending on one's level of knowledge. So a bunch of people who are uneducated will have different answers to basic math problems. Once we become educated, all we do is learn an almost-universally agreed upon method of math. It is universally agreed upon because we universally perceive it a certain way. But how do we know our accepted perception of an objective concept of math is accurate when perception itself is a subjective concept?

As I stated before, even though they may be a part of an objective reality that is independent of our minds, you (along with all of humanity) still have your own subjective perception of that reality, even when it comes to things that seem absolute like logic and math. So how do you know your perception is accurate?

Not sure if I'm clear, but my point is that if everything we perceive with our senses is subjective (which is what your OP seemed to be claiming, but I may be wrong), then why wouldn't logic itself also be subjective since we perceive it through those same senses?

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