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Peace, or Justice?
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This topic is mainly just about you, what would be your pick in a situation that forces you to choose between a act of peace, or a act out of Justice.

Personally I would go for peace, since I am completely against violence in any way besides sports.
Even if that means having the feeling of being a victim or anything like that.

Well before I continue to ramble on I will jut press the post new topic button.
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If it were just me. it would be peace. I have always tried not to judge quickly, I do not have that spark of instant anger that leads my more violent friends (otherwise extremely nice guys) to react with acts they regret later.

I say often (sometime so that I'm convincing my own emotive side) that I would wish an enemy a happy life, FAR from mine.


That said, I can get infuriated on the behalf of others and will react to injustices against friends, family, even total strangers far more quickly than against myself.

Also, the above saying about enemies applies only to enemies who will stay far away. If someone comes will ill intent for me or mine I will do whatever it takes to stop them. ... And probably perform First Aid on them if there's any point, afterwards.

That's me. and for me. As part of any collective group I'm probably as eager for 'justice' for my side as the worst of them.
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If a certain situation would force me to choose either justice or peace,
I would definitely choose justice. When horrible situations are tolerated, they become more and more tragic.
What's the point of choosing peace when everyone around you would just abuse it anyway?
Justice is always necessary for people to learn their lessons. Besides, if we were really meant to choose peace,
then the world that we know of today would be waaay better than what we're seeing now.
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amersfoort wrote:

This topic is mainly just about you, what would be your pick in a situation that forces you to choose between a act of peace, or a act out of Justice.


Justice.
Every time I would choose justice over peace.
Posted 9/1/10
I'll choose justice at anytime, for without sufficient justification of the status quote, I don't see how the necessary condition of peace can be met. When there's no equality and fairness without justice to all, and subsequently no peace of mind without rights and freedom:

Aristotle continues to search for virtue in terms of the Golden Mean. If justice is a virtue, as we suspect it must be, then it is some kind of mean. Thus is must be some sort of intermediate act, between some two extremes in some sorts of circumstances.(citation)
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Ahh, you all bring up wonderfull arguments, indeed without justice some lessons might not be learned.

But what I want you all to remind you off is this, justice comes at a price, and justice comes with a side effect.

The price is the sacrifice off others who are needed to bring justice to the party you are trying to bring judgement upon.
Not only that but your justice will make othe people suffer, making you the ''evil'' party, meaning that others who'm you have harmed are now allowed to bring justice upon you, by your own logic ofcourse.
Posted 9/1/10 , edited 9/1/10

amersfoort wrote:

Ahh, you all bring up wonderfull arguments, indeed without justice some lessons might not be learned.

But what I want you all to remind you off is this, justice comes at a price, and justice comes with a side effect.

The price is the sacrifice off others who are needed to bring justice to the party you are trying to bring judgement upon.
Not only that but your justice will make othe people suffer, making you the ''evil'' party, meaning that others who'm you have harmed are now allowed to bring justice upon you, by your own logic ofcourse.
But if you haven't notice it by now, the universe itself is chaotic at best. Thereby a condition of peace without the necessary effort for justice is itself just an illusion, and what's worst it could very well be the illusion that blindsides you from perceiving the suffering of others.
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Hmm, to be honest I did not expect people to put peace on such a low place.
I think what causes much wars is ofcourse hate and power, but choosing for your own personal justice is definatly one reason too.
I think people should be able to forget and forgive, without that people will just keep pushing their justice upon others and a never ending circle is the result, like in todays world.

I really really hope that our generation has the ability to see that peace should have a higher priority then justice, because in my eyes (I'm a atheists so it's weird to be saying this) all life is sacred, it should not be ended/harmed because of peoples justice.
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Perhaps you used the wrong word.

Since we all secretly think we are righteous. Of course, -our- Justice is indeed just.

But really, Justice can also be a code word for revenge, or and uncomrompising and unanswerable stance.
For many Israli's "Justice" is centred around having a place of their own to stand and not be beholden to the whims of princes. A place they believe they paid for with their blood.

For many Palestinians "Justice" is focused on the 'right of return'; the desire to have a home/shop/land from which they were unjustly evicted within living memory become theirs again.

Until BOTH sides start choosing peace over "justice" there will be no peace.
Posted 9/4/10
Part of justice is peace, though we do not always have it. Injustice gives what is worth fighting for meaning.
Posted 9/4/10

amersfoort wrote:

Hmm, to be honest I did not expect people to put peace on such a low place.
I think what causes much wars is ofcourse hate and power, but choosing for your own personal justice is definatly one reason too.
I think people should be able to forget and forgive, without that people will just keep pushing their justice upon others and a never ending circle is the result, like in todays world.

I really really hope that our generation has the ability to see that peace should have a higher priority then justice, because in my eyes (I'm a atheists so it's weird to be saying this) all life is sacred, it should not be ended/harmed because of peoples justice.

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Perhaps you used the wrong word.

Since we all secretly think we are righteous. Of course, -our- Justice is indeed just.

But really, Justice can also be a code word for revenge, or and uncomrompising and unanswerable stance.
For many Israli's "Justice" is centred around having a place of their own to stand and not be beholden to the whims of princes. A place they believe they paid for with their blood.

For many Palestinians "Justice" is focused on the 'right of return'; the desire to have a home/shop/land from which they were unjustly evicted within living memory become theirs again.

Until BOTH sides start choosing peace over "justice" there will be no peace.
I still think that the Aristotelian method of justice had it right, as in "give the people what they deserve". And since both Israelis and Palestinians think each other deserve "malice", they're receiving equal treatment of justice from themselves. Until they finally realized that what they both desired was the same contradiction; murdering their own specie for a peace that won't be forth coming unless they're both dead.
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You are indeed right, I was talking about a personal justice, I'm very sorry for this mistake and probably the confusion it has brought with it.
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you know what... forget both. let's just F@#$# up anyone who messes with us.
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Justice. It's more possible to achieve justice than peace. And more honorable.

Real peace is hard to achieve and is an excellent ideal. In a perfect world, I would like it if nobody have to start wars over meaningless ideas or values. But I despise "non genuine peace" and staunch pacifism.

I rather achieve justice and true righteous acts than ignore actual problems just to create a false sense of peace. For example, I could believe that someone who hurts a friend a mine would "just be kidding" or "learn to grow out of it" to maintain the peace and not confront them. I could "be the bigger person" and let that person continue to harass my friends or family. I could pretend that nothing bad is happening and that the person really isn't hurting someone I care about. That is not justice or "real peace."

Or I could just nip it in the bud and reprimand that person for hurting my friends and family. Most likely, that person would think twice before doing that action again. That is justice.


A murderer would want to kill me.I could pretend that by walking away and not defending myself, I would create "peace" between us. But then again I would end up as a corpse. That is not justice or "real peace".

Or I could defend myself against the attacker and kill him if necessary. That way he can never harm me or another person ever again. That is justice.

Pretending that a horrific act is non-existing while not doing a thing about it for the sake of "peace" is infinitely worse than giving a swift action of violent yet honorable act of justice. I'd rather defend my friends and family while disrupting "peace" than maintaining false peace and do nothing. A.d allow the problem to fester into something worse,

If you care about someone or something, defend them/it with all your heart and soul. That is justice.

False peace is not justice. Nor is it honorable. It's for cowards.

That is all.
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I could say how many times are you willing to turn the other cheek, I can over look small stuff, to a point. Big things justice other wise the offender will do it again.
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