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is bible fiction?
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Fiction! As it has been confirmed the bible is a colmination of different 'Stories' put together!! There is no proof that they ever happens - most are just hearsay!! But I think that's not the point - I think it's meant to be the messages that are to be read and understood not to believe what is written!! Stories are stories ... anyone can make them up! No fact or proof to say otherwise!!



Mmmhmm...... thats like saying Penguins bumper book of fairytales happened.... OMG imagine if a witch really did make a gingerbread house & ate children D: !! .... no wait it did... she was called Dark Phreak & she lives in wolverhampton
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non fiction hes real man
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Fiction on the grandest scale
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think about the miracles and what happens that can't be explained....but then again i'm still confused on what to think and believe
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It's fiction until proven otherwise.
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It's a fairy tale, but all fairy tales have a grain of truth to them.
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well the bible has had many of it's stories translated "differently" over times from the origional dialect... i suppose other than trying to "modernise" it they tried to make it easier to understand, how ever in doing so it may have resulted in a completely different story.. also it must be noted that some stories in the bible are only there to teach us life lessons and are not TRUE so are indeed fictional..
i myself am a christian but i am a teeeny bit skeptical (okay maybe a bit more skeptical than that... and i'm a person that is open to the thoughts of reincarnation and dragons existing :s)
Posted 10/2/10
Wow, I've never thought of it that way. I'd say it's ficiton.
Posted 10/2/10
This is CR not Religion class. lol
All depends on what your religion is and if you believe or not. :]
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worst fantasy ever
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Haven't bothered reading the rest of this thread but I'll start my statement here; but beginning anything I'm just going to state a few relevant elements.

PLEASE READ THE BOTTOM 2 PARAGRAPHS IF NOTHING ELSE

i. I'm Christian, and a philosopher (for the dimwits who are going to flame me as idiot for putting the word 'philosopher', I began inventing equations at the age of 8 and I can do calculus in my head, along with many more ingenious other-stuffs but you'll understand later. never went to University since I dropped out after getting dead bored and took an arts route. Yes I got bored, my teachers were screaming at me for being the 1st straight A student to stop formal education; please remove Chinese and Literature from that list. Currently 18 and a game designer but I design a wide variety of stuff as well from fashion to architecture, management design, industrial design, regular arts painting sculpturing, music composition etc, hey, I like creating stuff, inherited it from my Dad if you know what I mean). In summary, I'm a genius polymath.

ii. What I'm about to state are a combination of theories and facts as I will make obvious the distinction as I go along.

iii. I'm assuming the thread is started by a Christian/Catholic/etc in hopes to invoke discussion and consideration.

iv. Just for the record, Christianity is not a religion, non-christians are the ones who began calling us Christians and labeling us a religion.

v. Once again, I'm a genius; not perfect, there may be some errors in my theories. if you spot one feel free to drop me a message. It would be fun to ponder on it.


For starters, my stand is 'non-fiction'.
- the bible and all it's contents were never originally intended to be "holy books" or "the word of God", with the exception of the 1st 4 books of the Old Testament/Torah, 4 Gospels (Matthew Mark Luke John) and Revelations of which may have been intended as such. The rest are history records, letters, and their private journals.
For those asking along the line of "did the actual people write their own books?" Yes, because as stated, they were intended as letters, history, yada.

Fun Fact : John is know as "the disciple whom Jesus loved"(as 'stated in the bible'). If you read the bible, 1. you know that Jesus never makes mention of this, 2. John is the one constantly competing for 'hierarchy' as the most loved, 3.(bombshell) John is only ever described that way in 1 book in the bible; the gospel of John. It's just his ego, which serves a double purpose to prove he must have written that himself.

-On the "fictitious miracles' you all hate so much, visit you local Christian church (hopefully they're a proper one as 'fake-christians' are a commonplace, a 'real' one isn't hard to find, just visit one claiming to perform miracles), those miracles are as much a commonplace. We do it ALL THE TIME, EVEN IN MODERN DAYS. (with all our healing rallies and other events etc. we'd wonder why people are still talking all this rubbish.)

Touching on the oh-so-loved evolution theory which is very much the largest contributor to all our distress. Please read up on the facts on your own, I'm not stating any 'false-facts' here.

-Java Man : A beautiful figure of evolution to many Atheists. Fact : it's an artwork of what the midpoint of Monkey and Man would look like, they have no fossil records whatsoever of anything in between. All that exists of the Java Man's evidence is a femur (thigh bone), skull cap, and 3 teeth (and an artist's impression). Now! the Java Man is stated to be the prehistoric form of our smaller brained ancestors. The skull cap however shows brain capacity equal to any other human being. The evolutionists' Java Man is a deformation of a regular human.

-There is talk on how the 1st organisms came to be, evolutionists claiming that 'organic molecules' could have come from interactions with the gases present on Earth at that point in time. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE of explaining a questions with its own reasoning.

Stanley Miller, a melodic name to evolutionists. He formulated an experiment to show how organic molecules could be produced by passing electricity through gases (mainly Hydrogen, Methane, Ammonia and Water vapor), creating amino acids. To begin with, the composition of gases was not know then! It was formulated especially to create said molecules. FAIL BLOG PLEASE. This is common knowledge now. In a desperate attempt to salvage the experiment, evolutionists conveniently claimed that with the (now) known primitive atmosphere of Earth (which is Nitrogen, Water vapor and Carbon dioxide. Sounds familiar? with the exemption of Oxygen, this is our still current atmosphere), organic molecules can still be produced. These organic molecules by the way have been found to be Formaldehyde and Cyanide. Read up on those names yourselves.

-Ernst Heackel's drawings of the 'earliest stages of life', shown and described to be exactly alike in all forms of organisms. This is a picture showing how a human, rabbit, calf, chicken, hog, fish, salamander and tortoise embryos look identical from each other from their earliest stages in development. Atheists have already abandoned their comrade Heackel for his lie. His drawings were mid-developing stages where organisms built basic structures required for living as a base before transforming (please! not evolving, they're different!) into their after-birth likeness. BEFORE THAT, all organisms are totally different from each other, most similar in the middle developed stage. As any enthusiastic evolutionist would immediately jump the gun, "wouldn't that point towards a common ancestor!?" I glare at you with most disgust. No, rather is that not the same reasoning you Atheists dub us Christians as idiots for? Rather, we don't do that, we are the ones proving ourselves logical and rational (I'll further polish my gem later down).

-Cambrian Explosion: many new organisms began appearing within a short period of time. I won't delve into this too much coz I'm getting bored, read up on your own. Evolution's theory demands that entities undergo change in their genetic structure down predecessors. The Cambrian Explosion does not give enough time for this assumption to even begin, meaning; from micro organisms jumping to full fledged animals, once again lacking all in betweens. This occurs within an impossible period of time (for evolution to process [under the assumption that evolution occurs]).

Ok now I go to reasoning; I hate over science that lacks reason, its useless. So here's some things for you (the reader) to think about.

Evolution, it's rational states that species adapt to their environment over a period of time, this occurs by natural selection and is called evolution. So if a species is not already fully adapted to it's environment, how does it survive? Animals are not humans, they do not have human capabilities to adapt to an environment as they are. They can't sew coats, remove bones when they eat, etc.

Food chain, if there were only so many species in prehistoric times, how does evolution explain itself to the ecosystem which is a REQUIREMENT for survival of all species.

Sexual reproduction, the big bombshell. Seriously, tell me how random selection formed the system of sexual reproduction. If it had to be evolved, the pre-evolved stages would NEVER be able to reproduced, therefore NOT ALLOWING EVOLUTION TO OCCUR, under all extreme circumstances. Seriously just period. And to mock the Atheists, the bible explicitly states that sex is holy and was designed by God, as if to spit on the evolution theory.

Darwin's Tree, *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO SHIT!!!!!!!?????
Darwin gives us a tree diagram to show us the earliest known species since prehistoric times by fossil record, the "links" are his own assumption.
Now look at your tree and trace upwards, now look at Genesis Chapter 1: verse 11, now look back at your stupid tree, back to the Bible's 1st book! Now trace your tree up! Read down the verses in Genesis Chapter 1!
This book was written by Moses when he lead Israel out of Egypt (approx 3260 years ago from now). FORGET having the technology to unearth fossils, they didn't even know they existed! And forget their time period! They just came out of slavery! What kind of equipment do you think they had on hand even compared to their time period!? And just as the bible states! Humans came LAST on the fossil timeline! This is your delusional Moses thinking God was inspiring him here! And heck! When did scientists discover the fossils for all this? I DON'T KNOW EITHER! Since I didn't bother to remember dates, but heck I remember it was within the last few hundred years thats for sure.
Can someone spell O-W-N-E-D!? Eat bible knuckle evolutionists!


*ahem* If you have any other question do feel free to drop me a message, I may not be able to explain everything as I never studied all possibly related information in detail. I can however provide interesting hints and thoughts on things we both may not yet know.
I'm always open to more information so do send it stuffs.

Now before I end of, may I offer my sincere condolences to Atheists of whom were blindly fooled in your innocence. Evolutionists control the education and have constantly withheld critical information to students.
Phrases you may be familiar with such as "could produce similar results", or "could be evidence for" have left misinformed impressions on many people, if not, everyone (excluding us stubborn mule Christians). These critical scientific information are not presented to us until we hit the higher stratosphere of education, that being, learning from our own research. Of course, you would only reach there by being an evolutionist and by then, deluded as a fervent follower of the Atheist religion of which gives no thought to Christian-like ideas and expels all such information from their minds, without giving the scientific testing any scientist should exercise. The few who do reach such levels are either pressured to lie as scientific research is expensive and an unhappy boss means being ruined for life, conversely making up false-facts baths you in glory as an evolutionist.

All that I have listed is just the surface of it all, there are a lot more, but I want to watch my anime and sleep already.
To the really irritating evolutionists who refuse to admit that God/Intelligent Designer exists and designer everything the way it should be.
If you so desire to hold onto the unintelligent and unedifying belief that you are the sons of monkeys, be my guest.
We Christians shall continue to stand on the fact that we are duplicates of God as he made us, thank you very much.

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Marcus Lee (Li Zhao Yi)
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Well, there is plenty of scientific fact in the Bible that 'science' didn't discover till hundreds if not thousands of years later, such as the world hanging in space - Job 26:7 - (At the time people believed the world was held up by a giant turtle or something of that nature), the world being round - Isaiah 40:22 - (and not flat ), even the Hydrological cycle is explained, which I think is really impressive (well over 2,000 years before Bernard Palissy is credited for the 'modern hydrological cycle').

So, to write off the Bible as pure fiction would be hasty.

There are plenty of parts of the bible which are poems, parables and songs, which in themselves aren't scientific, historical fact, but that doesn't mean the subject of those writings is fictional.

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kissXkissfallinlove wrote:

well the bible has had many of it's stories translated "differently" over times from the origional dialect... i suppose other than trying to "modernise" it they tried to make it easier to understand, how ever in doing so it may have resulted in a completely different story.. also it must be noted that some stories in the bible are only there to teach us life lessons and are not TRUE so are indeed fictional..
i myself am a christian but i am a teeeny bit skeptical (okay maybe a bit more skeptical than that... and i'm a person that is open to the thoughts of reincarnation and dragons existing :s)


Just saw your statement.
To inform you, the bible is accurately translated. The Hebrew bible has been compared to the dead sea scrolls (the 1st written records of the bible). They have been passed down word for word. True that it is written in human language and may not always do it's true meaning due justice. It is however as accurately translated as possible and is always compared to the Latin and Hebrew copies by our ever present mass of bible scholars. There are several "translations" for the English language bible. I shall explain to the best of my ability on the more popular ones.

King James Version: original ancient English
New KJ V : slightly better English (my favorite for easy reading and sufficient accuracy)
N International V : modern English (I would not so quickly recommend this version as it does some injustice to the emphasis the bible places on certain topics)

The Message V : made to give dynamism to the words; popular choice
Amplified V : this is an attempt to as wholly possible, give an exact translation as a Hebrew would understand the words used with the idioms and such. (a good version but not meant for a 'slack' Christian, can be hard to read)

May I also add on to my previous post a message to my siblings in Christ.

Please don't just rip off my words assuming it is sufficient knowledge, we hold responsibility of how pre-believers perceive God.
The bible states : "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Rom 2: 24
God knows that pre-believers would do this as we tend to get too excited and forget logic. A Christian is a scientific and rational person. If he does not fulfill these requirements to the best of his ability he is no Christian as he has no relationship with God, creator of science and rational.
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Hmm...
I beleive in it as a factual book though so I base my belief on this.
If you do research the bible is a historical book. If you read the bible on a regular basis you'll immediately notice how close it lines up with history books other than the creation account which, although obscured by traditional creationists "literal day" ideals, originally is not scientifically unaccurate as later scriptures will tell you "a day to god is as a thousand years to man" meaning the bible actually does teach that life was developed over thousands of years. The second chapter of genesis described earth before creation as "darkness over a watery deep" then god said let there be light...possibly just spreading thick ozone away, he brought up land, possibly by build up over thousands of years by deep sea volcano-all which are pretty realistic sounding right? The bible also mentioned "the circle of the earth" years before most people got over thinking it was flat.
The bible Instructed people on cleanliness in times where most countries (and even some still today) used there poo as cooking fuel, didn't bathe after touching dead things, ate diseased animals, and drank blood.
Chronologically speaking there are pages upon pages in certain books of the bible just detailing certain blood lines.
I could tell you a thousand other interesting facts but I guess I'm just trying to say although it does contain parables the beginning of the books usually tells you who is relating them. The person relating them usually can be traced back to the chronological record (or traced back to an account of them interacting with a person on that record) therefore its not really fiction.
As for translation issues, there aren't many...My favorite bible was translated from the original greek and hebrew. It has a helpful word key that gives you the original greek/hebrew word,meaning,backround history, and finally why they chose whatever word to stand for it. Get a good bible like that. Usually you'll be able to tell how good the translation is by reading the forward and checking a couple key scriptures.
I think people should really study the bible, be able to say theyve read every book and chapter before forming an oppinion...that even goes for people who believe in the bible.
Don't be a hypocrite, study people!
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the bible is fiction. it's like those twilight freaks who actually think it actually happened and worship it as a religion. the reason why some of the stuff in the bible links to historical facts is that when a writer writes, they write by taking information from their surroundings. someone probably wrote a fictional story and some crazy fans took it as reality.
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