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Well if you have a illness the US is the best place to get treated for it. With nationalized health government controlled it been flush down the toilet. now are health care is 1/6 of the economy if I Remember right and you wounder why politicians can not wait to get there greedy little fingers on it. We only fourteen trillion in debt do to this so called people of honer integrity. I all most choked on that one.


The reformed health care bill was enacted to deal with spiraling health care costs as well as preventing exclusion or terminating insurances for others purely on pre-existing conditions

1. Remember the baby of a news anchor whose baby was denied coverage because the insurance company felt the baby was too chubby.
2. Increasing premiums.
3. Stories of patients in ambulance being turned away from hospitals and dump onto sidewalks of free clinics
4. Stories of patients going to doctors and receiving prescriptions notes from doctors but unable to afford them thus choose to forgo getting the prescription drugs.
5. Huge dependency of American public on drugs
6. The rising number of bankruptcy due to health care costs even with insurance

While its nice for you to point out that America has great health care prior but this is not purely from the works of drug companies but the talents and care of doctors, nurses and health care workers. Everyone requiring to have insurance is hoped that the cost of burden will be lighter for everyone. After all think in terms of warehouse sales, if you buy individually, the product bought will be more expensive as compared to buying in bulk.

And while it does look like nationalized because of the requirements for everyone to have insurance, there is nothing nationalized or socialized about it. Far from it. There is no government option, the only choice are private insurance companies. It does not guarantee that the drug and pharmaceutical industry will not keep placing more of these costs higher.The explanation for these higher costs is said to be American innovation and research, yet a simple check of these drug companies will show you that a small part of their budget is placed on research, and a larger part is used on marketing and the profits dwarfed that used for research.

The drug industry is not especially innovative. As hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Most of "new" drugs are not new at all but merely variations of older drugs already on the market as newer drugs mean they can keep charging higher price for newer drugs.

Then there is the issue of debt, part of this debt can be attributed to past proxy wars, war in Iraq ( why go in there no WMD , remember the quote N,S,E,W when asked where the WMD was) especially after 9-11 where the target was to get Osama and that intel already have Osama in Afghanistan and Taliban even issued that they have kept Osama safe. If you take a look at the budget, you'll know that a large part of budget is used for war in Afghanistan, pay rise for troops (they deserved it don't they), newer equipments for troops on the ground and militarily related research. Rather than wasting money on wars and overstretching oneself by declaring 2 wars, on 2 countries no less, without support from other countries (thus we are labeled bullies.) This debt didn't magically appear, it came from a surplus from Democratic president Clinton and turn into a huge debt by a repub-majority in house, senate and presidency and the debt will still remain because the conditions which are difficult to get out of that lead to the debt in the first place is still there (stupid and mismanaged war).
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'Tell you the truth how I see it the less government, the better. We do not need 90% of the government and its government programs. ' (which by the way we have to pay for.)

We do not need a FCC. We do not need a FBI. We do not need a CIA. We do not need any of the other 70 programs used to spy on are own people, or In slave them.

Government has got way to bloated. An the larger it gets, the less freedom we will have. For freedom is a sacrifice for the growth of are government, and me I don't remember voting to make larger a already bloated government.



If we got rid of half the government run programs we be able to pay off are Countries debts in a few months.
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Posted 9/8/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Tell you the truth how I see it the less government, the better. We do not need 90% of the government and its government programs. ' (which by the way we have to pay for.)

We do not need a FCC. We do not need a FBI. We do not need a CIA. We do not need any of the other 70 programs used to spy on are own people, or In slave them.

Government has got way to bloated. An the larger it gets, the less freedom we will have. For freedom is a sacrifice for the growth of are government, and me I don't remember voting to make larger a already bloated government.



If we got rid of half the government run programs we be able to pay off are Countries debts in a few months.


then there will be people homeless with out jobs and not being able to support their family, then in turn a huge rise in unemployment benefits which would suck even more money out the government, food stamps etc so in turn it's lose/lose situation.
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Actuallly you will never pay off your debt. or really post surpluses. because.. ever since the New Deal, your federal reserve has been a ponzi scheme. Don't feel bad, most of the rest of the world is in the same boat.
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SO TRUE!
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tarakelly wrote:

Well if you have a illness the US is the best place to get treated for it. With nationalized health government controlled it been flush down the toilet. now are health care is 1/6 of the economy if I Remember right and you wounder why politicians can not wait to get there greedy little fingers on it. We only fourteen trillion in debt do to this so called people of honer integrity. I all most choked on that one.


The reformed health care bill was enacted to deal with spiraling health care costs as well as preventing exclusion or terminating insurances for others purely on pre-existing conditions

1. Remember the baby of a news anchor whose baby was denied coverage because the insurance company felt the baby was too chubby.
2. Increasing premiums.
3. Stories of patients in ambulance being turned away from hospitals and dump onto sidewalks of free clinics
4. Stories of patients going to doctors and receiving prescriptions notes from doctors but unable to afford them thus choose to forgo getting the prescription drugs.
5. Huge dependency of American public on drugs
6. The rising number of bankruptcy due to health care costs even with insurance

While its nice for you to point out that America has great health care prior but this is not purely from the works of drug companies but the talents and care of doctors, nurses and health care workers. Everyone requiring to have insurance is hoped that the cost of burden will be lighter for everyone. After all think in terms of warehouse sales, if you buy individually, the product bought will be more expensive as compared to buying in bulk.

And while it does look like nationalized because of the requirements for everyone to have insurance, there is nothing nationalized or socialized about it. Far from it. There is no government option, the only choice are private insurance companies. It does not guarantee that the drug and pharmaceutical industry will not keep placing more of these costs higher.The explanation for these higher costs is said to be American innovation and research, yet a simple check of these drug companies will show you that a small part of their budget is placed on research, and a larger part is used on marketing and the profits dwarfed that used for research.

The drug industry is not especially innovative. As hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Most of "new" drugs are not new at all but merely variations of older drugs already on the market as newer drugs mean they can keep charging higher price for newer drugs.

Then there is the issue of debt, part of this debt can be attributed to past proxy wars, war in Iraq ( why go in there no WMD , remember the quote N,S,E,W when asked where the WMD was) especially after 9-11 where the target was to get Osama and that intel already have Osama in Afghanistan and Taliban even issued that they have kept Osama safe. If you take a look at the budget, you'll know that a large part of budget is used for war in Afghanistan, pay rise for troops (they deserved it don't they), newer equipments for troops on the ground and militarily related research. Rather than wasting money on wars and overstretching oneself by declaring 2 wars, on 2 countries no less, without support from other countries (thus we are labeled bullies.) This debt didn't magically appear, it came from a surplus from Democratic president Clinton and turn into a huge debt by a repub-majority in house, senate and presidency and the debt will still remain because the conditions which are difficult to get out of that lead to the debt in the first place is still there (stupid and mismanaged war).


This bill isn't going to make insurance cheaper, its going to make insurance more expensive.

Now insurance companies are going to have to insure 30 million people who can't afford it, well that money is going to have to come from somewhere, and since the people who can't afford it can't afford it, its going to come from you and me, in the form of higher premiums / general costs.

Insurance premiums / insurance costs are going to skyrocket, they already have increased by 2000 dollars for some people.

That bill wasn't even about health care at all really anyway. Did you know tucked away in that bill was a provision that banned banks from giving student loans, and that all student loans are to be done by the federal government ? Tell me what that has to do with health care. Nothing. That bill is full of stuff like that.
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As you let government grow we all are responsible to pay the bills. The clowns in washington know this but getting re elected as far as they think. I am out of the heath care problem mostly t is the knew worker that will have to deal with another train wreck. But most have very little knowledge on economics and the high standard we have for health care. More often you hear of world leaders coming hear for health care then any other place .------------------------------------The housing market collapse was a private company oversight by the US congress why do you think nobody went to jail the government made the mess to begin with. Yes they all acted like it was all wall street and even called out no the carpet, just for show and now there coming up with more knew regulation with government oversight again.------------------------To me this is simple door locks are to keep honest people honest. Laws are the same way to keep people honest. Something to remember further you move toward socialism the only people that will have money are the politician. With Communism the just plain fact.
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tarakelly wrote:

As you let government grow we all are responsible to pay the bills. The clowns in washington know this but getting re elected as far as they think. I am out of the heath care problem mostly t is the knew worker that will have to deal with another train wreck. But most have very little knowledge on economics and the high standard we have for health care. More often you hear of world leaders coming hear for health care then any other place .------------------------------------The housing market collapse was a private company oversight by the US congress why do you think nobody went to jail the government made the mess to begin with. Yes they all acted like it was all wall street and even called out no the carpet, just for show and now there coming up with more knew regulation with government oversight again.------------------------To me this is simple door locks are to keep honest people honest. Laws are the same way to keep people honest. Something to remember further you move toward socialism the only people that will have money are the politician. With Communism the just plain fact.


Your last statemen (red) is untrue, atleast for my (socialst) country.
You see in my country we have the Balkenende norm, our prime minister was Balkenende, he is most certainly not the richest person in my country, not even by far.
If you wish I shall search for a list wich will proove my statement, however I wish I have informed you enough with this.
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I understand your country is small and the people stay on top of things. Here most can not name there senator or congress person. It like comparing nice shiny apple to a over sized watermelon that over ripe. If we do not stop the out of control bureaucratic this thing going to bust.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Tell you the truth how I see it the less government, the better. We do not need 90% of the government and its government programs. ' (which by the way we have to pay for.)

We do not need a FCC. We do not need a FBI. We do not need a CIA. We do not need any of the other 70 programs used to spy on are own people, or In slave them.

Government has got way to bloated. An the larger it gets, the less freedom we will have. For freedom is a sacrifice for the growth of are government, and me I don't remember voting to make larger a already bloated government.



If we got rid of half the government run programs we be able to pay off are Countries debts in a few months.


then there will be people homeless with out jobs and not being able to support their family, then in turn a huge rise in unemployment benefits which would suck even more money out the government, food stamps etc so in turn it's lose/lose situation.


Wrong less money spent taken from us to pay for the government funded programs lead to more money to spend for us, that is business. Wen people are buying do to having money to spend, companies can afford to hire more people. More people Hired less people putting a strain on are economy. Hence less government programs means better for are economy....
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I am sorry to tell every one this we only 14 trillion dollars in debit the peso and dollar we be an even with one another, change if something dose not give way. You need real working people to pay government works.
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Northboundsnow wrote:


tarakelly wrote:




This bill isn't going to make insurance cheaper, its going to make insurance more expensive.

Now insurance companies are going to have to insure 30 million people who can't afford it, well that money is going to have to come from somewhere, and since the people who can't afford it can't afford it, its going to come from you and me, in the form of higher premiums / general costs.

Insurance premiums / insurance costs are going to skyrocket, they already have increased by 2000 dollars for some people.

That bill wasn't even about health care at all really anyway. Did you know tucked away in that bill was a provision that banned banks from giving student loans, and that all student loans are to be done by the federal government ? Tell me what that has to do with health care. Nothing. That bill is full of stuff like that.


Your point about the bill not helping to make insurance cheaper is a moot point considering that my last post, (refer to spoiler above) say why health costs will increase with or without the bill, I won't bother repeating myself and let you or others to reread my post.

The issue of the student loan bill tied to the healthcare bill, I am guessing you are referring to the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. You make a good point that such a student loan bill does have no relation to the health care bill but it was done in the form of Reconciliation and a way of getting 1 combined bill passed (putting all the eggs in 1 basket) or than try it out on 2 separate bills. Critics of this rider bill say that the bill will increase budget deficits, costs job and remove private lenders.

Ironically enough the US government, have paved the way for such reforms, such as the Bush admin of 2008 prior have already been granting loans to students and pay and provide subsides to private lenders and placing more often the burden of incurring the cost of student loans to government. All the bill above does is cut out the middle man, the private lenders and place government in charge of student loans. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says that bypassing the banks will save taxpayers in bank subsidies over 10 years and cut the deficit. The statement from Obama admin hope that by providing such loans to lower income, hope to increase the education level of US workforce.

Regarding the issue of the student loan bill, I've read and listen to both sides of the argument and both provide valid claims, thus unable to decide really whether this will help. Only time will tell whether such investments on students will reap benefits or bankrupt the country.
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This is very simple people can chose what important to them. Do you really need a new car and all the expenses that comes with one. Or maybe eating out every night should stop. Look it more about how you spend your money than the cost of health insurance. If The republican tried and where completely blocked out on this whole mess with free market solutions. But democrats would not even let them in to discuss such thing. I dis-like booth parties but closed door legislation is a scary thing. But Americans are far more interested in give me then making god sound financial decisions.
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