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Filler episodes and why they are necessary
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Greetings everyone, lately I have noticed that certain Anime titles have been broadcasting filler episodes and people in the comment section are always expressing almost identical complaints about their hatred of filler episodes. However, before I begin I too want to express that at times I find filler episodes to be a daunting exercise of patients to get through. So I am in no way sitting on my high horse and picking on others, because I too share some of their angst but only to a certain extent.

Throughout the decades when a Manga creator is fortunate enough to have their story become an Anime will usually run into a common problem that is universally shared.
When a Manga titled is selected to be animated the story itself can be anywhere from 100+ or 150+ chapters ahead. Those are not exact numbers but I’m sure everyone gets my point.

Depending on which animation company or the creator or other various factors usually has a set number of chapters of the Manga that will be used in creating one episode for the Anime. Sometimes they use one chapter which is extended to the best of the abilities while others might use two or three chapters. Throughout the years this will eventually be the pitfall which runs into the main reason for filler episodes, they run the risk of animating so many chapters that it will eventually start to catch up to where the story currently is in the Manga.

A perfect example of the need for filler episodes was towards the end of Naruto and the beginning of Naruto Shippuden. Close to 2 years and 84 filler episodes later, the gap had widened enough for them to start to air the beginning of part 2, Naruto Shippuden.
As for Bleach, after a year and 45+ episodes of filler the gap had also been wide enough for them to start the Arrancar arc.

There are just too many other anime titles for me to mention that all had to utilize either filler episodes or filler arcs to allow the Manga creator to advance the storyline.

Everyone agrees that filler episodes can be a nuisance but if you look at the bigger picture they are definitely the lesser of two evils that can become pitfalls for all of the anime titles we love. I am sure that everyone would prefer to have filler episodes than to have an anime title they love catch up to the story in the Manga only to have that anime show canceled. Besides, no one is forcing any of you to watch the filler episodes and all you have to do is simply not watch them. Show a little restraint and be mature enough to act your age and pick up where the filler episodes end and where the main storyline is back on track. Because I cannot think of anyone who would want that more than the creator(s) and animators who have to come up with all the filler episode storyline and filler character designs.

So in closing, this is why I believe that fillers are a necessary evil we must all deal with.
Posted 9/7/10
i some what agree with you but the original series of naruto did not did need 150plus episodes of just filler, epically when sauske left the village and naruto failed to bring him back. I skipped all of those episodes due to the fact they had nothing to do with the main story line at all.
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I like filler episodes since they add more to an anime. I just don't like it when they happen right in the middle of a story arc like in Bleach.
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personally there should be some sort of anime law in japan stating that an anime adaptation cannot begin until the manga is completed

this way even if they decide on an additional arc the placement of the arc, character development, and events can all coincide with the manga
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

i some what agree with you but the original series of naruto did not did need 150plus episodes of just filler, epically when sauske left the village and naruto failed to bring him back. I skipped all of those episodes due to the fact they had nothing to do with the main story line at all.


Even though you skipped those episodes, they were absolutely necessary in Japan because of how close the manga was from the end of part 1 and the beginning of part 2. I'm also not sure what you mean by 150+ episodes of filler when the actual number of filler episodes between the end of Naruto part 1 and the beginning of Naruto Shippuden part 2 was in fact 84 episodes. It started with episode 136 and ended with episode 220.

Sure they had absolutely nothing to do with the story but then again as filler they couldn't be about the story. With filler episodes it allows time to explore other characters that rarely get much air time in the real story of the Manga.

As for the point Laharlt brought up, it is still necessary for the filler episodes that air between arcs in the Manga. The only good part that come from those fillers, is the fact that they are relatively shorter than extended filler arcs. Of course that cannot be said for all anime titles, such as Bleach but the only reason for that is because of how many chapters are put into each episode.

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i agree with you all, but some fillers are pretty good, but some fillers where there is no story line to it, or its just a slice of life style then it gets boring, but if the anime company's make a additional filler story line, then it will be interesting, then they can somehow relate it to the beginning of the next arc from the manga.
Posted 9/7/10

Rozzerdog wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

i some what agree with you but the original series of naruto did not did need 150plus episodes of just filler, epically when sauske left the village and naruto failed to bring him back. I skipped all of those episodes due to the fact they had nothing to do with the main story line at all.


Even though you skipped those episodes, they were absolutely necessary in Japan because of how close the manga was from the end of part 1 and the beginning of part 2. I'm also not sure what you mean by 150+ episodes of filler when the actual number of filler episodes between the end of Naruto part 1 and the beginning of Naruto Shippuden part 2 was in fact 84 episodes. It started with episode 136 and ended with episode 220.

Sure they had absolutely nothing to do with the story but then again as filler they couldn't be about the story. With filler episodes it allows time to explore other characters that rarely get much air time in the real story of the Manga.

As for the point Laharlt brought up, it is still necessary for the filler episodes that air between arcs in the Manga. The only good part that come from those fillers, is the fact that they are relatively shorter than extended filler arcs. Of course that cannot be said for all anime titles, such as Bleach but the only reason for that is because of how many chapters are put into each episode.



the main point of filler is to break away from the main story line and give a point of view with more characters, i understand all of that. The only problem that i have with filler is due to the fact when they introduce characters and plot lines that will not affect the main out-turn of the series as whole. I don't think the arc in naruto "curry of life" was really needed and to be blunt those characters will never been seen/heard from again, that's one of my biggest complaints about it. Maybe if they didn't waste so much drawing detials on characters that will never show up agian I wouldn't bother skipping most of it. Hell I skipped 100 episodes of bleach due into large because of cn adult swim not showing any new episodes in forever "until recentely" and It's a real hassle to download a large series like that. Listen I am all for character exploration and so forth "like what they are doing in naruto shippuden now" as long as they stick the main or sub main characters. Not some characters that are there to fill the void for 5-10 epiosdes and are never heard from again. Sorry for the long rant lol.
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We are lucky to have fillers(it makes me gag just to say that)in anime like Bleach and Naruto, some animes last only 12 episodes. Fillers is a necessary evil and i hate them more then anybody.
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uhohimdead wrote:

personally there should be some sort of anime law in japan stating that an anime adaptation cannot begin until the manga is completed

this way even if they decide on an additional arc the placement of the arc, character development, and events can all coincide with the manga

The problem with the "finish the manga first" approach is that manga typically does not reach the peak of its popularity at the end of the run. If you were a studio, would you want to invest in creating an anime of something on the decline? Also, the anime often has a promotional effect for the manga, as well as any merchandise.

Simply put, from a business standpoint, waiting until the manga was completed would often have negative consequences to the bottom line, and like it or not, anime is first and foremost a business.

Also, keep in mind if such a law existed, we would still be waiting for Bleach and One Piece to even start as any anime, and would no doubt still have a very long wait ahead of us. Even many 12-26 episode anime most of us have seen in the past 1-3 years still would not have started at this point.

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TheAncientOne wrote:


uhohimdead wrote:

personally there should be some sort of anime law in japan stating that an anime adaptation cannot begin until the manga is completed

this way even if they decide on an additional arc the placement of the arc, character development, and events can all coincide with the manga

The problem with the "finish the manga first" approach is that manga typically does not reach the peak of its popularity at the end of the run. If you were a studio, would you want to invest in creating an anime of something on the decline? Also, the anime often has a promotional effect for the manga, as well as any merchandise.

Simply put, from a business standpoint, waiting until the manga was completed would often have negative consequences to the bottom line, and like it or not, anime is first and foremost a business.

Also, keep in mind if such a law existed, we would still be waiting for Bleach and One Piece to even start as any anime, and would no doubt still have a very long wait ahead of us. Even many 12-26 episode anime most of us have seen in the past 1-3 years still would not have started at this point.



i was turned away from naruto bleach and one piece for the very reason of the way it is now

i know its a business but half the time they make half assed anime for rushing into it without allowing the manga adequate time to get a sufficient head start or to get to a point where at least they can make a satisfactory conclusion *points to the anime Soul Eater*

maybe i was a little ahead of myself in that post but i would have preferred sometime along those lines
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uh...they are?
Posted 9/7/10
That doesn't change the fact that they're annoying.
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just remember no one makes you watch them
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KleinerSkollexxx wrote:

just remember no one makes you watch them


I agree to this....

Fillers once in a while are refreshing, atleast they are to me.
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LosingOrbit wrote:

That doesn't change the fact that they're annoying.


Then why not act like a grownup and handle it in a mature fashion, instead of bickering like little school children?
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