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God , this is getting beyond pointless !
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sorry for that, i didn't think that someone would really read a long post. The "they" that cannot be blamed are those "everyone" that talks about 9/11 and thinking that it is the fault of Arabs. And the "we" I mentioned that cannot be blamed, is me and the one who asked this and those who thinks the same way as we are. Now do you get it?
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sorry for that, i didn't think that someone would really read a long post. The "they" that cannot be blamed are those "everyone" that talks about 9/11 and thinking that it is the fault of Arabs. And the "we" I mentioned that cannot be blamed, is me and the one who asked this and those who thinks the same way as we are. Now do you get it?


A little more clear. Thank you. This thread is in a section of the forum called 'extended discussion' where people who write posts and expect to read posts much longer than the ones that dominate the regular forums hide out. Feel free to express yourself fully.

I have to disagree with you though. I can be disapointed Americans for not looking beyond sound bytes and propaganda. They really shouldn't blame all Arabs or all Islamics for the actions of a few. Similarly I can dismiss those Palestinians who wish to to blame all Jews for the actions of the IDF. It is indeed ridicoulous and it neither helps the problem in general nor the side that is doing the blaming. It just makes one look like an ignorant fanatic.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


neko-cat wrote:



no
if you searched about it in details
then you will see what i mean
no Jewish people was killed at that day ..... so ......

robbery!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
hollywood's fault that some people kill others
maybe it have some % of it true
i mean when people watch that movies they could learn from it
and do the same thing that they watch in the movie
so ya i think some people learn from that movies
ans some children be affected while they watch such a movies .... i think you know what i mean right ?


Let me be sure I understand you. You're saying that of all the people who died when three buildings collapsed, all the people who worked there all the cops and firemen who didn't escape from the building all the passengers on the three planes that crashed that day. None of them were of the Jewish Faith or were born from jewish ancestors. and you know this for sure. because you 'researched' it. Where? Was this on the internet? Where they cannot even agree as to what evidence was found at ground zero or what that evidence means?

My comment about Hollywood and robbery was a reference to this post: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-653345/quran-burning-event?pg=20#33515911

Which I'm sure is something that was told to the poster during his visit. Likewise I am suspicious of anything you assert because someone else (who may have had their own agenda) told you.



really you don't know that information
at that day no Jewish people went to work at that building.... so what does that mean...
just do some search at the internet and you will find that information ...

sorry i didn't understand your last line
that i underline ?? can you explain it ?
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neko-cat [link url="/forumtopic-666311/god-this-is-getting-beyond-pointless-?fpid=33527008" title="View quoted

really you don't know that information
at that day no Jewish people went to work at that building.... so what does that mean...
just do some search at the internet and you will find that information ...

sorry i didn't understand your last line
that i underline ?? can you explain it ?



I can find all sorts of assertions on the internet. for example Dark Phoenix read all his anti-islamic quotes and movies off the internet. I find this statement rather incredible so I'm asking for a better citation than 'the internet'

Likwise, the statement you underlined basically said. I think you are repeating something you were told or something you read on a biased internet site. And thus I have doubts about it's accuracy.

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Here's the first thing I found on my research...



Question
Subject: Jewish Victims of September 11
Category: Reference, Education and News > Current Events
Asked by: kmabbadi-ga
List Price: $6.00 Posted: 16 Apr 2004 08:19 PDT
Expires: 16 May 2004 08:19 PDT
Question ID: 331277

Approximately how many Jews were killed in the September 11 terrorist
attacks? I ask because I live in a Middle Eastern country where many
people believe 9/11 was carried out by Israeli agents and that the
Jews working in the Twin Towers were warned not to go to work that
day. I find this not only ridiculous but patently offensive.
However, I have been unable, using Google searches for "religion
victims September 11, "Jewish victims 9/11," "Jews died 9/11," etc. to
find any statistics on religion of victims. Your assistance will
advance the cause of international compassion.

Answer
Subject: Re: Jewish Victims of September 11
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 16 Apr 2004 15:50 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars

I certainly agree with you that this rumor is ridiculous and
offensive. I have gathered some material which refutes the allegation.

It is estimated that between 400 and 500 Jews died in the attacks on
the World Trade Center on 9/11. The exact number is not known, since
official record-keeping does not list the religions of the victims.

"While no one knows for certain how many Jews were killed on Sept. 11,
the most reliable estimates put the number at about 400. This despite
the blasphemy spread in the Arab world that no Jews perished, having
been warned by the Mossad agents who supposedly carried out the
attacks."



This is only my first result.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


drizza wrote:



THen provide the proof buddy that everyone on CR can see that ISLAM JUSTIFIES SUICIDE, WE JUSTIFY MURDER OF THE INNOCENT, PROVIDE PROOF!!! Lol thats where you Islamophobes fail at. You provide no proof that the Quran teaches this but merely actions of what insane individuals do. If I stoop down to that level of ignorance then I guess all Germans are nazies.


You have justice on your side Drizza. This is why I cannot support half of the assertions that come from that side of the fence. I'd be more vociferous in my support If didn't believe you had already tarred me with the brush of Islamophobe.

Your tone, word choice, and extreme assertions in other posts drive away moderates who might otherwise agree with you. I suggest you think about that.




What the hell are you talking about here? I am talking about the whole of America in what Islamophobia is bringing this country to. We let the media influence us to start hating their very own muslim Americans who is suffering the same economics woes like regular Americans. Now muslim Americans who lived peacefully with our fellow Americans, serving in American military are targets. I pose this question for my fellow Americans what good will it do for our country to have an internal conflict with muslim Americans? How much would this cost. Isn't about time we take care of whats within rather then try to preach to the world about democracy? I honestly dont care if you are away. I have many moderate friends here on CR including ones I have a staunch disagreement on. If you cant handle the truth then make like a fly and fly away.

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And this excerpt from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories



Since the September 11 attacks, a variety of conspiracy theories regarding the 9/11 attacks have been put forward in Web sites, books, and films. Many groups and individuals advocating 9/11 conspiracy theories identify as part of the 9/11 Truth Movement.[13][14][15] Unlike other conspiracies theories, such as those about the death of Princess Diana, 9/11 conspiracy theories did not emerge immediately after the event. Indeed, most professional conspiracy theorists in the United States appeared to be as shocked as the rest of the population.[8] The first theories that emerged focused primarily on various anomalies in the publicly available evidence, and proponents later developed more specific theories about an alleged plot.[8] One allegation that was widely circulated by e-mail and on the Web, is that not a single Jew had been killed in the attack and that attacks must have been the work of the Mossad, not Islamic terrorists.[8]

The first elaborated theories appeared in Europe. One week after the attacks the "inside job" theory was mentioned in Le Monde. Six months after the attacks Thierry Meyssan’s 9/11 exposé "L'Effroyable Imposture" topped the French bestseller list.[16] They include a blog published by Mathias Bröckers, an editor at the German newspaper Die Tageszeitung at the time, the book 9/11: The Big Lie by French journalist Thierry Meyssan, the book The CIA and September 11 by former German state minister Andreas von Bülow and the book Operation 9/11, written by the German journalist Gerhard Wisnewski.[8]

While these theories were popular in Europe, they were treated by the U.S. media with either bafflement or amusement and were dismissed by the U.S. government as the product of anti-Americanism.[17][18] In an address to the United Nations on November 10, 2001, United States President George W. Bush denounced the emergence of "outrageous conspiracy theories [...] that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."[19]

By 2004, conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks began to gain ground in the United States. One explanation for the increase in popularity was that it was not the discovery of any new or more compelling evidence or an improvement of the technical quality of the presentation of the theories, but rather the growing criticism of the Iraq War and the presidency of George W. Bush, who had been reelected in 2004.[8] Revelations of spin doctoring and lying by federal officials, such as the claims about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the belated release of the President's Daily Brief of August 6, 2001 and reports that NORAD had lied to the 9/11 Commission, may have fuelled the conspiracy theories.[8]

(emphasis: mine)

Something spread by email. is not necessarily fact. It's just like some of the rotten things said about Islam that you are certain are untrue.
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drizza wrote:


What the hell are you talking about here? I am talking about the whole of America in what Islamophobia is bringing this country to. We let the media influence us to start hating their very own muslim Americans who is suffering the same economics woes like regular Americans. Now muslim Americans who lived peacefully with our fellow Americans, serving in American military are targets. I pose this question for my fellow Americans what good will it do for our country to have an internal conflict with muslim Americans? How much would this cost. Isn't about time we take care of whats within rather then try to preach to the world about democracy? I honestly dont care if you are away. I have many moderate friends here on CR including ones I have a staunch disagreement on. If you cant handle the truth then make like a fly and fly away.



I reflect your final sentiment back at you. and your dismissal of myself is duly noted. We shan't have words again.

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neko-cat wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


neko-cat wrote:



no
if you searched about it in details
then you will see what i mean
no Jewish people was killed at that day ..... so ......

robbery!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
hollywood's fault that some people kill others
maybe it have some % of it true
i mean when people watch that movies they could learn from it
and do the same thing that they watch in the movie
so ya i think some people learn from that movies
ans some children be affected while they watch such a movies .... i think you know what i mean right ?


Let me be sure I understand you. You're saying that of all the people who died when three buildings collapsed, all the people who worked there all the cops and firemen who didn't escape from the building all the passengers on the three planes that crashed that day. None of them were of the Jewish Faith or were born from jewish ancestors. and you know this for sure. because you 'researched' it. Where? Was this on the internet? Where they cannot even agree as to what evidence was found at ground zero or what that evidence means?

My comment about Hollywood and robbery was a reference to this post: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-653345/quran-burning-event?pg=20#33515911

Which I'm sure is something that was told to the poster during his visit. Likewise I am suspicious of anything you assert because someone else (who may have had their own agenda) told you.



really you don't know that information
at that day no Jewish people went to work at that building.... so what does that mean...
just do some search at the internet and you will find that information ...

sorry i didn't understand your last line
that i underline ?? can you explain it ?


Neko cat you have to understand the condition we live in society. If there is any remote proof of any kind of Israeli involvement in any type of atrocity that happens to America you are immidiately an anti-semite despite the alarming facts. Right now if you are going to go into the 9/11 debate you have to provide more. Show more links, Israeli connection etc. There has been many events in the past that were false flag operations committed by Israel to shift blame on someone else to get us entangled in these wars. No 9/11 = no war in Iraq, Afganistan, possibly Iran and Syria. If you notice everytime we are about to attack someone the hate is built up so we can go and attack.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


drizza wrote:


What the hell are you talking about here? I am talking about the whole of America in what Islamophobia is bringing this country to. We let the media influence us to start hating their very own muslim Americans who is suffering the same economics woes like regular Americans. Now muslim Americans who lived peacefully with our fellow Americans, serving in American military are targets. I pose this question for my fellow Americans what good will it do for our country to have an internal conflict with muslim Americans? How much would this cost. Isn't about time we take care of whats within rather then try to preach to the world about democracy? I honestly dont care if you are away. I have many moderate friends here on CR including ones I have a staunch disagreement on. If you cant handle the truth then make like a fly and fly away.



I reflect your final sentiment back at you. and your dismissal of myself is duly noted. We shan't have words again.



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drizza wrote:

Neko cat you have to understand the condition we live in society. If there is any remote proof of any kind of Israeli involvement in any type of atrocity that happens to America you are immidiately an anti-semite despite the alarming facts. Right now if you are going to go into the 9/11 debate you have to provide more. Show more links, Israeli connection etc. There has been many events in the past that were false flag operations committed by Israel to shift blame on someone else to get us entangled in these wars. No 9/11 = no war in Iraq, Afganistan, possibly Iran and Syria. If you notice everytime we are about to attack someone the hate is built up so we can go and attack.

(emphasis: mine)

The only complaint I have with the part I've emboldened is that implication that is a crime or conspiracy. But... when someone makes unpleasant assertions about Islam do you not demand proof? If they are unwilling or unable do you not call them Islamophobes?

On other hand I always felt that 9/11 was pretty stupid on the part of the terrorists and, increasingly with time, Mighty convenient for George Bush. Probably got him a second term, among other things.

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I think that's what the US government wants, for people to hate Arabs. :O
Someone told me that it wasn't really the Muslim terrorists,
it was just Bush trying to blame it on them, setting them up so that he'd have an excuse to attack poor Iraq.
I was planning to visit Iraq since it's were the old civilizations are, too bad I can't because of the fucking war.
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I think that's what the US government wants, for people to hate Arabs. :O
Someone told me that it wasn't really the Muslim terrorists,
it was just Bush trying to blame it on them, setting them up so that he'd have an excuse to attack poor Iraq.
I was planning to visit Iraq since it's were the old civilizations are, too bad I can't because of the fucking war.


I think that's an oversimplification. But I do agree that Iraq was in the US government's sights early enough for 9/11 to be extremely convenient for Bush. However, to be fair he didn't do it for shits and giggles. See this post for WHY the US felt the need to attack.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-667118/is-the-united-states-the-real-terrorist-in-the-world?pg=1#33542968

I don't think 9/11 was false flag operation by either the US or Mossad. I think Osama Bin Ladin is a real person with a real and hateful agenda. One that was convenient for Bush at the time. I think there are real Muslims and Arabs who do indeed hate the west and would love to hurt you or I in the belief they are striking at those who lead the west. I don't think they represent all Muslims or Arabs. Just an unfortunately loud and numerous minority of them.

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Sucks. The wars are getting worst, I better dig a whole or something, might be WWIII tomorrow.



papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Phyzjob wrote:

I think that's what the US government wants, for people to hate Arabs. :O
Someone told me that it wasn't really the Muslim terrorists,
it was just Bush trying to blame it on them, setting them up so that he'd have an excuse to attack poor Iraq.
I was planning to visit Iraq since it's were the old civilizations are, too bad I can't because of the fucking war.


I think that's an oversimplification. But I do agree that Iraq was in the US government's sights early enough for 9/11 to be extremely convenient for Bush. However, to be fair he didn't do it for shits and giggles. See this post for WHY the US felt the need to attack.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-667118/is-the-united-states-the-real-terrorist-in-the-world?pg=1#33542968

I don't think 9/11 was false flag operation by either the US or Mossad. I think Osama Bin Ladin is a real person with a real and hateful agenda. One that was convenient for Bush at the time. I think there are real Muslims and Arabs who do indeed hate the west and would love to hurt you or I in the belief they are striking at those who lead the west. I don't think they represent all Muslims or Arabs. Just an unfortunately loud and numerous minority of them.



So I found the link too long to read.
Would you mind summing it all up in like...4 sentences?
Yeah, I know Bin Laden exist and It's a wonder how he's still not caught and it's been like..9 years?
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Phyzjob wrote:


So I found the link too long to read.
Would you mind summing it all up in like...4 sentences?
Yeah, I know Bin Laden exist and It's a wonder how he's still not caught and it's been like..9 years?


Yes I WOULD mind. Learn to read.


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