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Posted 9/18/10

sizar wrote:


mrin wrote:


sizar wrote:


mrin wrote:

he only burnt a book that taught the virtues of jihad.

what the book taught caused terrorists to burn the empire state buildings and fry the people inside.





i did say again that it wasnt a good idea,

but what the book preaches is a good excuse for that and i did mention that as well.

here are some verses from the quran courtesy of wiki

Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.
The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is


These verses told Muslims that they should not merely fight the Banu Quraish if they resist them in offering Hajj, but the Qur’an goes on to say that they should continue to fight them until persecution is uprooted and Islam prevails in the whole of Arabia. Initially Muslims were required to fulfill this responsibility even if the enemy was 10 times stronger. Afterwards, the Qur'an reduced the burden of this responsibility.[26] As in Qur'an:
Prophet! Rouse the believers to wage war. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will subdue two hundred: if a hundred, they will subdue a thousand of the disbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.



Posted 9/18/10

Oldthrashbar wrote:


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wtf is going on!!!!! who is gonna burn it???? coz it won't happen Allah is protecting The Qura'an
and why people wanna burn it anyway!!!!!
lame ass retards


Lmao. Allah is not protecting it. Its just paper.




it's NOT just paper !!!! it's Allah's words !
Posted 9/18/10

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black-boss wrote:

wtf is going on!!!!! who is gonna burn it???? coz it won't happen Allah is protecting The Qura'an
and why people wanna burn it anyway!!!!!
lame ass retards


As far as the burning. I see no point in doing it just to piss people off or make a misguided attempt at a stand. I can see why he'd want to, doesn't mean it makes a whole lot of sense to go through with though.

But as far as comment quoted, about Allah actually protecting the book from burning. I'm interested to know if you genuinely believe that? ^^



whoever does such a thing will be burnt in hell or even burnt here in this fucked up life ! INSHAA'ALLAH
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Posted 9/18/10

black-boss wrote:


Off111 wrote:


black-boss wrote:

wtf is going on!!!!! who is gonna burn it???? coz it won't happen Allah is protecting The Qura'an
and why people wanna burn it anyway!!!!!
lame ass retards


As far as the burning. I see no point in doing it just to piss people off or make a misguided attempt at a stand. I can see why he'd want to, doesn't mean it makes a whole lot of sense to go through with though.

But as far as comment quoted, about Allah actually protecting the book from burning. I'm interested to know if you genuinely believe that? ^^



whoever does such a thing will be burnt in hell or even burnt here in this fucked up life ! INSHAA'ALLAH


Lol. It's people like you who keep the wars going. With your fanaticism and blatant ignorance. If it is burned than it is burned. Your god will not care. It was made by man. He could give a fuck about it. As long as His word is still there.
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If those quarn's are his property, then he can do whatever the fuck he wants with them, including burn them. If I go out and waste some money buying a bible, then its my bible and i can burn it if i want to, same idea.
Posted 9/18/10
I'm guessing that the CR mods moved this thread form the General forum and into the ED forum for obvious reason. When senseless religion bashing without critical literacy skill isn't gonna get people to the truth based on factual reality, no. Because the arguments raised by both sides can be applied to all organized religious teachings, not just Islam. Although unlike the rest of the world the Islamic teaching hold special significance within a Muslim state, and I'll explain how and why.


mrin wrote:

he only burnt a book that taught the virtues of jihad.

what the book taught caused terrorists to burn the empire state buildings and fry the people inside.

i know that burning the religious book of so many innocent muslims may not have been the best of ideas. but the book does preach a lot of awful stuff and peopke have been influenced by it to do bad stuff or to at least use it as an excuse to do bad stuff.
in india at any rate, when the mughals conquered, people were forced to convert under the sword. so yeah. that stank im sure.
First off, the concept of jihad had been interpreted by the Sunni Muslims as the holy war in the defense of Islam, whereas the Shi'a Muslims interpreted differently as an individual's spiritual struggle through the Islamic faith, aka the concept of martyrdom.

Second, it was the World Trade Center, aka the twin towers, that was the target of a radical Islamic fundamentalist group know as the Al-Qaeda: a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad.

Finally, within Hinduism there's the teaching of the Caste system, which justifies social class inequality and prevents social economical movement in India.


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wow this is just... wow... I have no words for your ignorance...

I'd love to see someone who has actually read the Quran and say that it encourages bad acts such as terrorism, I'd just love to fry that person alive. Sure, most religions lead to awful events but those who take their religion to an extreme are what you call fanatics and should be locked up for the rest of their lives. Religion is a great exuse for crazy people to do crazy things like burning up a Quran.

The Quran is holy for muslims and burning it is just looking for trouble and putting your name on the list of those crazy people who will act upon the insult and their anger. It's disrespectful and should never be done again.

Read before you speak people, please...
Tell that to those who funded and organized Islamic school that teaches young boys to become child suicide bombers using the Qu'ran.

And if anything that the Qu'ran is good for, is that it justifies gender inequality towards Muslim women.


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how can you say dat??? you haven't even read it nd making assumptions about someone's religious books or religion is just plain wrong........!!! there r some extremists in every religion/society but it doesn't mean the whole society is like that..........!!!! i'm sure there r some in your religion as well............the extremists don't represent the whole society, ok??? nd that's something you shud keep in mind b4 coming to conclusions............!!! nd in Quran, there's not a single point where they tell us to use force to convert ppl to islam!!!

nd it doesn't matter how much they try to destroy the Quran cuz, no doubt, Allah has taken the responsibility of protecting the Quran..........!!!
what the terrorists are doing is not jihad cuz, i've never heard of a jihad in which they tell you to blow yourself up in a MOSQUE.........!!!! for starters, suicide is prohibited in islam..........!!! but i'll agree wid one of your points that these terrorists r using it as an excuse to do bad stuff!!! heck, i don't believe that they r even muslims...........!!!
However, when the Islamic teaching is the fundamental philosophy for the Muslim states' legislation, it subsequently justifies Muslim traditions with Islamic teaching as the social norms. In other words there's no such practice of the natural laws within a Islamic totalitarian state, and whoever that doesn't involuntary convert to Islam according to the Muslim legislation isn't a Muslim, but a slave according to the Islamic regulation(not abolition) on slavery.
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according to the vedas the caste system was nothing more than social organisation.

basically, people were one of teh four castes based not on their genetics, but on where their talents lay.

if the son of the lowest caste had the aptitude to become the highest, could, nothings topped him there.
Posted 9/18/10

mrin wrote:


according to the vedas the caste system was nothing more than social organisation.

basically, people were one of teh four castes based not on their genetics, but on where their talents lay.

if the son of the lowest caste had the aptitude to become the highest, could, nothings topped him there.
But what about the women? As long as the caste system of the Vedic society only allows social dynamic among men, using Hinduism as it's system of justification, it's no different than the Islamic teaching that justified patriarchy in the name of Allah.
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