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Are we all truly equal?
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Are we all truly equal? I believe that we are all born equal, but do you believe that all adults are equal on this planet? Just curious about what others think on the subject because that question has recently come up in my life.
Posted 9/18/10
I feel that we are not equal, as some people are born into sickness and poverty versus good health and wealth. We are all equal as to basic human rights, but that is often taken away in the blink of an eye.
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no, not really.... they always say that we need to be equal but it's not... there are ppl who experience discrimination.. the rich look down those who are poor instead of helping them.... we are all born equal as a human but some those who have sick, poor and others are being alienated and outcast....
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No, not really, we are superior or inferior to one another in different ways, but we should treat each other as equals.
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Nah, no 2 humans are equal. everyone is different on hardware levels, mental and emotional levels.

Treating everyone as equals is different tho
Posted 9/18/10
I've never believed that one person was better than someone else. Yes, some people are born differently and put in less than humble situations than others, but dose that make us inadequent?

In the end we're all heading to the same place.
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I have to agree with the others who said we're not equal. The two sex aren't equal, a child and adult aren't equal, a person being born mentally unstable is not equal with a person that was born average.
I think we should all try to treat each other equally. But that's a long shot, and we all know it's something we'll probably never achieve.
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I see equality in the form that we're individually unique, while the natural morality of the tit-for-tat will only resulting in individuals treating each others equally in the long run, as in they would do to others what they want others to be done to themselves.

Psychopaths and subsequently disaster capitalists OTOH are much different in their self-centered and shortsighted viewpoint:

Calvinists also believe that "God's divine providence [has] selected, elected, and predestined certain people to restore humanity and reconcile it with its Creator." These "Elect" were originally thought to be the only people going to Heaven. To the Calvinists, material success and wealth was a sign that you were one of the Elect, and thus were favored by God. Who better to shepherd a society populated by God's wayward children? The poor, the weak, the infirm? God was punishing them for their sins. This theology was spreading at a time when the rise of industrial capitalism tore the fabric of European society, shifting the nature of work and the patterns of family life of large numbers of people. There were large numbers of angry, alienated people who the new elites needed to keep in line to avoid labor unrest and to protect production and profits.

Max Weber, an early sociologist who saw culture as a powerful force that shaped both individuals and society, argued that Calvinism grew in a symbiotic relationship with the rise of industrial capitalism. As Sara Diamond explains:

Calvinism arose in Europe centuries ago in part as a reaction to Roman Catholicism's heavy emphasis on priestly authority and on salvation through acts of penance. One of the classic works of sociology, Max Weber's Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, links the rise of Calvinism to the needs of budding capitalists to judge their own economic success as a sign of their preordained salvation. The rising popularity of Calvinism coincided with the consolidation of the capitalist economic system. Calvinists justified their accumulation of wealth, even at the expense of others, on the grounds that they were somehow destined to prosper. It is no surprise that such notions still find resonance within the Christian Right which champions capitalism and all its attendant inequalities.(citation)
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Would a clone of a human, be equal to the original ?

Like if you cloned somebody and seperated them, and raised them in different environments. then gave them a series of problem solving tests.

Would both the clone and the original follow the same though progress and reach the same conclusions ? Or would they be different, think different, react differently, so on.
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Allhailodin wrote:

Would a clone of a human, be equal to the original ?

Like if you cloned somebody and seperated them, and raised them in different environments. then gave them a series of problem solving tests.

Would both the clone and the original follow the same though progress and reach the same conclusions ?
Or would they be different, think different, react differently, so on.
How could a clone be equally unique to the original? It's just sameness occupying different space, which itself is a paradox.

As for your hypothesis, it's been done.
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DomFortress wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

Would a clone of a human, be equal to the original ?

Like if you cloned somebody and seperated them, and raised them in different environments. then gave them a series of problem solving tests.

Would both the clone and the original follow the same though progress and reach the same conclusions ?
Or would they be different, think different, react differently, so on.


How could a clone be equally unique to the original? It's just sameness occupying different space, which itself is a paradox.

As for your hypothesis, it's been done.


The clone is identical on a hardware and software level to the original down to the last cell. At least initially, with mutations and whatnot

Monozygotic twins would be the best test subjects I guess. But how often do you get 6 of them ?

But cloning is much better for this, make like 6 clones from some random(willing obviously) donor.

When they are born adopt the first 2 out to similar but slightly different environments.
Adopt second 2 out to identical(as close as humanly possible) environments.
And adopt the last 2 out to highly different environments.

Like 10 years or so later. Present them all with the same series of problem solving tests and whatnot, and record the results.
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The clone is identical on a hardware and software level to the original down to the last cell. At least initially, with mutations and whatnot

Monozygotic twins would be the best test subjects I guess. But how often do you get 6 of them ?

But cloning is much better for this, make like 6 clones from some random(willing obviously) donor.

When they are born adopt the first 2 out to similar but slightly different environments.
Adopt second 2 out to identical(as close as humanly possible) environments.
And adopt the last 2 out to highly different environments.

Like 10 years or so later. Present them all with the same series of problem solving tests and whatnot, and record the results.
And what's this obsession of intentionally dictating individuals' life via social process? Are you that interested at playing someone's God? Why not do it to your own child instead? Why should others let you clone their children for your own God complex? When you have no intention of you starting your own family.
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DomFortress wrote:

And what's this obsession of intentionally dictating individuals' life via social process? Are you that interested at playing someone's God? Why not do it to your own child instead? Why should others let you clone their children for your own God complex? When you have no intention of you starting your own family.


From a scientific point of view it would be a fascinating experiment. And if someone is willing to give us some of their DNA for creating some clones of themselves then why not ? People donate sperm and blood, donating dna is no different.

And nobodies dictating anything. Not like were keeping the kids in a cage. After the experiment would be over the child is free to get on with his / her / their life as they see fit, free to become the next Augusto Pinochet if that happens to be his thing.

But the data from it would just simply be fascinating.
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We are equal in our need to be treated with dignity. Equal in our desire to pursue happiness.

We SHOULD be equal under the law, but the rich can afford better lawyers for longer, and Judges and Juries are humans too.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to achieve this ideal.
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I believe that we are all equal when we were born. But as we grow up and live in an environment that shapes our points or views and attitudes we grow up to be more equal or less equal than others. Just take a look at the courts, celebrities get special treatment and the regular people serve the actual jail sentences. Life is not fair but what can we do about it? It's just how people are.
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