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Are we all truly equal?
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Posted 9/19/10
Your pretty much the only person on this forum that interpreted the question in the way that I wanted it to be. Maybe next time I should be more specific.
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Pacarus wrote:

Your pretty much the only person on this forum that interpreted the question in the way that I wanted it to be. Maybe next time I should be more specific.


A name or quote would be better than a pronoun IMO. Do you mean the post immediately above yours? (BTW you're the first post on a new page)


Posted 9/19/10

Pacarus wrote:

Your pretty much the only person on this forum that interpreted the question in the way that I wanted it to be. Maybe next time I should be more specific.


How did you really want it interpreted? Our world is not and never will be some completely pleasant fantasy where no wrongdoing ever happens. Humanity has a dual nature. Napalm and silly putty, if you will.
Posted 9/19/10

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DomFortress wrote:

And what's this obsession of intentionally dictating individuals' life via social process? Are you that interested at playing someone's God? Why not do it to your own child instead? Why should others let you clone their children for your own God complex? When you have no intention of you starting your own family.


From a scientific point of view it would be a fascinating experiment. And if someone is willing to give us some of their DNA for creating some clones of themselves then why not ? People donate sperm and blood, donating dna is no different.

And nobodies dictating anything. Not like were keeping the kids in a cage. After the experiment would be over the child is free to get on with his / her / their life as they see fit, free to become the next Augusto Pinochet if that happens to be his thing.

But the data from it would just simply be fascinating.
Stop claiming for what you think as mere "fascination", without yourself considering the implementation and result of you manipulating a child's life decision via social mechanism. We've got enough psychopaths utilizing people as mere tools in the real world as is, and science without moral and ethic is just another organized religion, claiming justice in the name of progress. And it happened.
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Are we all equal? In the context of human rights, surely the majority of respondents would say yes....

If it is the question of equality as it applies to human value, once again posts to threads, such as this one, comes against the arguments of a measurement so often applied to the debates such as abortion/right to life, euthanasia, & capital punishment.
Sadly, equality is at the mercy of prejudice, political correctness, cultural traditions, vindictiveness, or fear.

Equality is an ideal which becomes distorted when filtered thru personal opinion.
Only as it's applied mathematically does it achieve a outcome of truth.
Posted 9/19/10

farmbird wrote:

Are we all equal? In the context of human rights, surely the majority of respondents would say yes....

If it is the question of equality as it applies to human value, once again posts to threads, such as this one, comes against the arguments of a measurement so often applied to the debates such as abortion/right to life, euthanasia, & capital punishment.
Sadly, equality is at the mercy of prejudice, political correctness, cultural traditions, vindictiveness, or fear.

Equality is an ideal which becomes distorted when filtered thru personal opinion.
Only as it's applied mathematically does it achieve a outcome of truth.
And how? I suggest as the scientific equivalent of a pivot of equilibrium within the power dynamics of a truly civilized society.
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Posted 9/22/10
We are equal, we all have the same human rights. at least it should be this way, but we all know that it doesn't correspond to the reality unfortunatelly.

With a economic/financial point of view: We aren't equal because those who have the "power" don't want us to be, they have interests in raising their fortune, even if it means making other people more and more poor.
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My opinion is that we should get a mid-term. We are all equal and all different at the same time. We should have ALL the same human rights, we should have ALL the human basic things to live (Food, Water, A good health system, Security, etc). Although we should be all different, experience new things, believe in different things (otherwise there would be no discussions), like and love other things, do other things.

Well, we should be equal in the human rights and in having the basic things, Although we should keep our diversity without being fanatic and not being an extremist.
Posted 9/22/10

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I believe that we are all equal when we were born. But as we grow up and live in an environment that shapes our points or views and attitudes we grow up to be more equal or less equal than others. Just take a look at the courts, celebrities get special treatment and the regular people serve the actual jail sentences. Life is not fair but what can we do about it? It's just how people are.


Are we really all born equal though?

Being born in rich family vs. poor family, happy family vs. broken family, can really make a difference; some people are also born talented or healthy, while others are born sickly or with disability. Not to mention that when the baby is in the womb, the environment can mess him/her up, too (for example, mother gets into accident or conflict which affects the fetus, or uneducated mother stupidly take some medicine that negatively affects the fetus, or a drug-addict mother . . . yada yada, etc.). The location at which the baby is born might make a difference, too.

Heck, the unfairness starts right off at the genes themselves, which is basically when the sperms and egg meet each other. Genes dictates your appearance, your health, your intelligence, your critical thinking skills, etc. and etc. Gene is a big thing (and genetic disorders suck! Sorry, just had to say that ).

I agree with the rest of your opinion though. Life is not fair--although we can try to make it appears fairer, true fairness will never exist
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People in many way are equal in many other ways there not equal. Some that lives off the government should not vote. Many great scientist I am no where near there equal in there fields. But also found out a PHD can stand for Pile High and Deeper, in many case they have a PHD in fields that are beyond anything I can even get a good understanding of. Being able to repeat what they say and being able to apply it are to different things. To me it comes down to being a produce and inventor and people that can apply them self to a field. Some one that drinks all day or is stoned and just gets by are not equal in many case's but there's always the exception to the rule. To me a company owner is more valuable then a garbage man.
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Did someone say "yes, but some more than others" already?

Honestly, though. We aren't equal, none of us are. The only equality we share is the spatial-temporal location. That is, we're on earth during the 2010 year. We can say we are all equal under the laws our respective nations have placed, but that isn't true either when a judicial system is in place rather than a simple (probably unfair) cookie cutter "you did it so you go to jail" method.
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ricardopt wrote:

We are equal, we all have the same human rights. at least it should be this way, but we all know that it doesn't correspond to the reality unfortunatelly.

With a economic/financial point of view: We aren't equal because those who have the "power" don't want us to be, they have interests in raising their fortune, even if it means making other people more and more poor.
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My opinion is that we should get a mid-term. We are all equal and all different at the same time. We should have ALL the same human rights, we should have ALL the human basic things to live (Food, Water, A good health system, Security, etc). Although we should be all different, experience new things, believe in different things (otherwise there would be no discussions), like and love other things, do other things.

Well, we should be equal in the human rights and in having the basic things, Although we should keep our diversity without being fanatic and not being an extremist.


All those things ~ Human Rights, Health care, Economic Freedoms, ect are subject to national sovereignty.

And there is no such thing as an economic system that doesn't have poor and doesn't have wealthy. No such economic system exists.
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Allhailodin wrote:


ricardopt wrote:

We are equal, we all have the same human rights. at least it should be this way, but we all know that it doesn't correspond to the reality unfortunatelly.

With a economic/financial point of view: We aren't equal because those who have the "power" don't want us to be, they have interests in raising their fortune, even if it means making other people more and more poor.
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My opinion is that we should get a mid-term. We are all equal and all different at the same time. We should have ALL the same human rights, we should have ALL the human basic things to live (Food, Water, A good health system, Security, etc). Although we should be all different, experience new things, believe in different things (otherwise there would be no discussions), like and love other things, do other things.

Well, we should be equal in the human rights and in having the basic things, Although we should keep our diversity without being fanatic and not being an extremist.


All those things ~ Human Rights, Health care, Economic Freedoms, ect are subject to national sovereignty.

And there is no such thing as an economic system that doesn't have poor and doesn't have wealthy. No such economic system exists.

It might not exist but that inexistance can't make us stop dreaming with one.
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Posted 9/23/10 , edited 9/23/10

ricardopt wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


ricardopt wrote:

We are equal, we all have the same human rights. at least it should be this way, but we all know that it doesn't correspond to the reality unfortunatelly.

With a economic/financial point of view: We aren't equal because those who have the "power" don't want us to be, they have interests in raising their fortune, even if it means making other people more and more poor.
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My opinion is that we should get a mid-term. We are all equal and all different at the same time. We should have ALL the same human rights, we should have ALL the human basic things to live (Food, Water, A good health system, Security, etc). Although we should be all different, experience new things, believe in different things (otherwise there would be no discussions), like and love other things, do other things.

Well, we should be equal in the human rights and in having the basic things, Although we should keep our diversity without being fanatic and not being an extremist.


All those things ~ Human Rights, Health care, Economic Freedoms, ect are subject to national sovereignty.

And there is no such thing as an economic system that doesn't have poor and doesn't have wealthy. No such economic system exists.


It might not exist but that inexistance can't make us stop dreaming with one.


Dream all you like buddy, but that's not going to change reality. But actually every year poverty is reduced and the poor gets a little bit richer.
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in the small view, we are not equal. In the grand view, we are all just the same in essence. We might differ when it comes to capabilities and character. We are diverse when it comes to demography. But that is the only part we are different. All humans eat and drink. All humans search for their own happiness. All of us were made in the dark and delivered to light by our mother. All people feel pain, happiness, sorrow, anxiety and stuff.
And regardless of who you are, the underworld will still welcome you.
Posted 9/23/10
We human beings are not born equal, we ourselves have our own flaws but it is our capabilities ourselves to compensate for it makes us strong. Society however is the point where our strengths as individuals are tested, how we interact with people, cooperate or compete with them. Survival of the fittest does not really mean the strongest, but describes the concept of the strongest. It may be that we as individuals are not given the same, but we as human beings have the same capabilities in adapting to our environments. That what makes us equals.
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