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Legal Punishment - Right or Wrong?
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Posted 11/11/06

haddon wrote:

reformation is almost entirely impossible.


haddon:

Could you please tell me what studies came to this conclusion?
under what conditions? under what treatments?

Just interested... that's all
Posted 11/11/06
studies? i dunno about any studies done, just 2 people i know that work as security guards at prisons...most of the people that leave, come back later. almost all, in fact. it might be for a different crime, or a lesser crime, but they wind up back. its a vicious cycle, in our current system.

person steals/sells drugs, makes a lot of money off of it. they get caught, go to prison for 4 years. they get out, with a highschool diploma this time, and start working at a grocery store. they find it takes twice the work for half the money they were originally getting. so they start selling/stealing a little bit. this leads to more and more. they get caught again. this is a VERY normal thing to happen.

its not that reformation and getting them into society doesnt work...its that it doesn work with our system, and our society.
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Posted 11/11/06
yes, the recidivism rate is high, but perhaps a different approach should give better results. It just seemed to me that you meant it was completely impossible.
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Posted 11/11/06
haddon those are very good. I agree with each of them. Strict law enforcement will keep people from committing any crimes. And Mentally handicaped are the only excuses. Insanity put them in a horrible conditioned asylum so few will dare choose it.
Posted 11/11/06

mauz15 wrote:

yes, the recidivism rate is high, but perhaps a different approach should give better results. It just seemed to me that you meant it was completely impossible.


in our society, it is almost completely impossible. if we change, we can fix things.
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Posted 11/11/06
Dirty American infidels !

Killing one of your own species is always wrong, and it does not matter if you call it "murder", "death sentence" or "capital punishment". America is one of the few industrialized countrys where that is still practised as Legal Punishment. (just one of the things why i think America is more like a 3rd world country than like a industrialised country)

The only goal in "Legal Punishment" should be to get people to no do Illegal things. For this it needs to prevent Illegal actions.

People that think killing others is ok are by my definition not sane, and as such can not easyly be detected in advance or be stopped from carrying it out. That is why it is only possible to prevent it from happening again.

Also, i think Drugs should be completely legalized. Know that i do not take any Drugs, not even legal ones such as Alcohol or Nicotine. I think taking Drugs is simply stupid because you are !potentially! destroying your own body including your brain. Still i do no think that there are reasons for making them illegal. I am completely ok with idiots taking golden shots or smoking their brains away because that is their personal freedom to do. (Of course Drugs need to be regulated for safe self destruction.)

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Posted 11/11/06
Pro your an idiot
If you go slaughtering and killing a bunch of criminals and enforce it strictly. People will not commit crimes and you wont need to kill anymore. Ends Justifying the Means I say.
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Posted 11/11/06
Grrrrrrrrr...........end does not justify the means oh are you in IRC right now I might come in 10 min
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Posted 11/11/06
ok
Be warned lots of people on
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Damn it thats why I hate IRC you cant type in peace
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Posted 11/11/06
I agree yesterday sucked and today is just as bad
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Posted 11/11/06
Shinji where are you we need the chatroom back
oops no more offtopic stuff
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Shinji said it will take a week straight of working to make it and he doesnt have the time right now
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Posted 11/11/06
quater (or should i say kira?), so you are justifying killing people just because it is an (insignificantly in my eyes) greater deterrent to crimes than locking them away for life ? take into consideration that a whole lifetime in prison might be a even greater punishment than just ending ones life right away.
also, there are other reasons against setting up the lethal deterrent. Think of "Wrongful convictions", them beeing morally or legally wrong. (death penalty for not beeing a nazi in nazi germany, or disliking government in the People's Republic of China)

the fact is that if you put up that deterrent you might save lifes, but if you do not put it up you definitely save those lifes that are no taken because of it.
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Posted 11/11/06
No I just say killing murderers that wasnt manslaughter is right.
And why would you call me Kira?
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