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Is the United States the real terrorist in the world?
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I was just saying. If the US wanted to take over any country, there are close to zero countries that can do anything on their own against them. That's where the UN comes in. And as for volunteering, sure I already plan to.


You'd be surprised. .. and... plans mean nothing. You can talk to me about volunteering after you've got your dog tags.

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It was out of sarcasms with the attack on Canada and yes the do have oil shell. Plus Mexico is very rich in oil we would not attack them ether. one if you can join the military being physically fit before going in is strongly suggested two have high school diploma. and most of all keep your mouth shut and do what your told to do in basic. If you cause problems in basic others in basic will straighten you out. be ready to grow up fast others live will depend on you and your life will depend on them.
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zombehs wrote:



I was just saying. If the US wanted to take over any country, there are close to zero countries that can do anything on their own against them. That's where the UN comes in. And as for volunteering, sure I already plan to.


You'd be surprised. .. and... plans mean nothing. You can talk to me about volunteering after you've got your dog tags.



And how would I show you??
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zombehs wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


zombehs wrote:



I was just saying. If the US wanted to take over any country, there are close to zero countries that can do anything on their own against them. That's where the UN comes in. And as for volunteering, sure I already plan to.


You'd be surprised. .. and... plans mean nothing. You can talk to me about volunteering after you've got your dog tags.



And how would I show you??


Nevermind, I actually looked at your profile. With your parents' permission it would be two years before that would even be possible. actually on reading your profile forget I even bothered.


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It was out of sarcasms with the attack on Canada and yes the do have oil shell. Plus Mexico is very rich in oil we would not attack them ether. one if you can join the military being physically fit before going in is strongly suggested two have high school diploma. and most of all keep your mouth shut and do what your told to do in basic. If you cause problems in basic others in basic will straighten you out. be ready to grow up fast others live will depend on you and your life will depend on them.
Gee, that pretty much sounded to me like state level institutionalization of hazing, a well known form of bullying in open public among groups. It must had done wonders by branding yourself into a role of a victim back then. I mean whatever happened to the matter-of-fact levelheadedness of "increase group survival rate by learning how to function as an unit" professionalism? Or that just doesn't turn people into bullies, but real Canadian soldiers who follow a strict code of arms at all time.
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Well basic training they want to break the person down and see if they can be part of team, Once at a unit then they hit school of what ever type then thing for your self and other will become very important. To me it a way to weed out screw-ups, asking a questions because you do not understand on thing. Not having your gear together and wall locker set up means you can even do the basic instruction. That was in my day on one ten mile march the women started to string out falling down the male platoon broke six girls arms or legs other had sever bruises. I can understand why the platoon behind us because they had to catching up to the what was left of the second platoon and the first. There drill Sargent were on them about falling behind. most the girls fell out and got out of the way. In my permanent unit's I would not trust and of the Paper push with a weapon most would freak out over a bug. Myself and and another woman we re maintenance but could handle ever type vehicle the unit had from 22 ton semi to the jeeps. both of use could fire are M-16 and hit the target. The other would close their eyes be for shooting. I could fire an M-60 accurately but only in a fixed position. I was a section leader by 19 seven men working but I worked as a team leader so everyone rotated to make sure everyone could take care of all aspects of the jobs. Some teams had people do just a few things that they were good at. No one is irreplaceable to make sure they could handle all the technical part plus be a ground ponder.
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So you pretty much survived the bullying, while you also gained the skills and experience on how to bully others as a profession. Gee I wonder why.[/sarcasm]
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Dom, what the hell are you talking about. Have you had any military experience? I doubt it from your posts.
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Dom, what the hell are you talking about. Have you had any military experience? I doubt it from your posts.
I know for a fact that now the Pentagon only interests in the perfect killing machines, not human troops that need constant redeployment. Simply because they couldn't think of war within the scope of everything else. When you only need young, brash, inexperienced troublemakers in a war for one thing and one thing only: to plunder. Or would you rather read the sociological explanation of it?

A soldier's only duty is to kill the enemies in order to survive for more killing, and that's all Tara will ever need to know. Because that's all she'll ever learn from basic training.
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That's not the message I took from her posts at all. It's also clear from your posts, as much as I'd like to agree with anything that praises our military, that you've never earned your dog tags nor seriously studied the art and science of leadership in war and combat. Right now, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off in a way that proves your ignorance to those that have.
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Dom, what the hell are you talking about. Have you had any military experience? I doubt it from your posts.
I know for a fact that now the Pentagon only interests in the perfect killing machines, not human troops that need constant redeployment. Simply because they couldn't think of war within the scope of everything else. When you only need young, brash, inexperienced troublemakers in a war for one thing and one thing only: to plunder. Or would you rather read the sociological explanation of it?

A soldier's only duty is to kill the enemies in order to survive for more killing, and that's all Tara will ever need to know. Because that's all she'll ever learn from basic training.


I will say the younger soldier 17 Thur 21 will take risk that a full adult would not. Your into Psychobilly book you should realize this is the norm. I thought all Canadian males had to volunteer for two year service? When I was section chief /squad leader I made sure that once the missile took off and If we survived the first strike we were going to be ground pound-er like or not. That was the European war theater during the cold war. When Ronald Reagan took office there was far more activity with the soviets than the last twenty years. Those guys where my responsibility until I could no longer be in-charge from wounds or death. Every member in my squad could or learning to do to take over for me or others. So many comment I have herd it like a 40 week job, there no such thing at least where I had been stationed. Back then people want to compare predigest of the Germans towards other ethnic minorities the south had nothing on them. the old Germans knew why we where there the young did not and did want us there. I had allot of misgiving letting Germany reunified into the old Germany. By the way no war is great thing. But once attacked you hit back hard and fast not shove your head in the sand hoping it will go away. Do you really think talking to Bin laden would have change anything after the fact? Please enlighten me on a better way to go about what has happened. I have told second lieutenants off two times for giving me an unlawful order and stood my ground. Being threaten with a court marshal. they wanted me to order others to do a job with out the right precaution and equipment which could kill them or me. One thing I do not lack is back bone was I scared dam straght I was.
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Tarkelly I am merely responding to you to get your attention not to respond to any of your posts. I want to have a dialogue with you because you are an American who cares about your country and wants to see it lifted to its former beauty correct? I am the same I believe the bald eagle has landed and can only fly once the people in our country wake up and get out of this illusion we are living in. Lets be moderate with each other ok?

A couple of questions Tarkelly. As Americans should we be investigators? Should we analyze everything our government says and make sure they are protecting the people rather then big corporations and foreign interests? Do you find it odd that wallstreet and other big banks can get a free check from the American tax payers when they get out of control but when me and you do the same thing we are punished? Do you find it odd that both Republicans and Democrats when supported a bailout to banks? After the bailouts has anything changed? Has the economy gotten better? Are more Americans now at work.

You remember when Bush was in office and Secretary Henry Paulson asked Americans for a $700 billion dollar bailout and once congress shot it down the first time the very next day we saw our stock market go down severly. To me this seemed kind of odd. It was almost like a, "bail us out or we will drop your markets down further." This was published all across the media and guess what happened after that? Both democrats and republicans supported the bailout. That just seems to fishy I believe if someone fails you let them and you let someone competent correct them right? You dont reward bad behavior because if you keep rewarding it then what lesson was learned here and how do we know this wouldnt happen again?

Lets talk about Americans being investigators again. Now I am about to enter a forbidden territory that is taboo to American society to even bring up in public. Even the slightest utterance of this state in a negative way and you could be called an anti-semite and lose your job. The question of the rentless support of Israel even though when she does wrong. Now what I am about to tell you is things our mainstream media will never report and as an investigator we need to know why. On the previous Quran burning thread that got deleted I bought up a false flag operation called the "Lavon Affair" which is completely absent in our public. The reason being because it was an Israeli mossad false flag event to get the USA to go to war with Egypt. In a nut shell

"In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring. "
for morehttp://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html?q=lavon.html or you can just google it this is public information.

Now to me Tarkelly shouldn't one ask them self as a "close" ally of the USA why would they set up an attack to false fully accuse the Egyptians to get our Americans to fight and die over a lie to benefit Israel? It doesnt stop here either Israel is the only country that is activtely spying on the the USA. One such person spying for Israel has been caught his name is Jonathan Pollard who is a traitor. He traded information with the Soviet Union documents and coordinates of our planned attacks against the USSR. Sensitive information about the our nuclear secrets in exchange for increased Jewish immigration from the USSR to Israel. He was caught in 1985 and sent to prison for life. Israel lied and denied he was a spy for Israel for 13 years. They finally admitted it in 1998http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/91260.stm that he was indeed a spy for Israel. Now as detectives once again we need to ask ourselves as Americans why would a close "ally" send sensitive information like that to the Soviet? Was the greator good of Israel immigration more important than American national security? Now to this day Israel is still trying to get this man freed. Get this Israel offered Obama if he released Jonathan Pollard then he would expand his settlement freeze. Can you believe this absurd request? This man committed treason against his country and Israel, who we support financially and militarily is giving the USA an offer? We have been telling this people for the longest to freeze and halt settlement expansions and despite the economic funding we give them they never halt it. But now here they come saying the will once WE do something for them? Come on Tarkelly as an American are we really that weak and fragile when it comes to Israel? Jonathan Pollard isn't the only spy case Israel committed against Israel there are lots more. He just got caught thats all.

Even Fox News surprisingly reported how aggressive Israel spies on the USA. In fact their spying on the USA is much more aggressive then any other country they spy on in the world.

A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel as Country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

A Defense Intelligence report said Israel has a "voracious appetite for information."

"The Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies," the DIA report said. "It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target.

"Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives," the document concludes.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1212-06.htm


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This is just to tip of the iceburg there is the false flag operation USS liberty attack in which Israel killed wounded hundred of Americans sailors and killed 30 Americans. The gulf of tonkin which is now reported as never had happened which bought America to war in Vietnam. Now recently 9/11 which I have an overwhelming resources showing Israeli involvement including them failing lie detector tests and dancing Israelis who got caught during the event, who went back to Israel and said on live television "we were sent there to document the event". There is much more as well concerning the AIPAC lobby and the ADL and many other zionist organization which institutes Israel foreign interests in this country. As an American a feel that a country with such a bad track record with us in which we get no benefit out of supporting should be investigated rather then have their crimes covered up by the media right?

Now as far as our wars in the middle east which I presume you believe is righteously so but I believe is going no where, draining our economy, and causing us to lose credibility around the world. Hell if we keep this up Russia and China doesnt have to do anything to the USA, they can just sit back and watch as we destroy our own country. What will bring down the USA in my own opinion is our dollar collapsing and our economy failing.

Anyways lets talk about the muslims who is the threat to the entire world recently after the 9/11 attacks. After these attacks just how far has Islam come to spread in America? How much influence does Islam have in American politics? Is our politicians catering the muslim community? Having our military serve their cause? Giving them more freedoms then the rest of Americans? Can America really say we reaching out to the muslim country but at the same time killing and displacing millions of civilians in Afganistan and Iraq? We support Israel in all of her efforts when they launch deadly attacks against Palestine which kills and displaces many and as of this day Israel is still stealing Palestinian land and putting foreigners from Europe to live in their homes. How does this make America look when they try to push their interests in that region.

If you was president how would you handle Iran? Would you at least make an effort to talk to the president or keep this aggressive behavior towards them? Is there any other country in the middle east suspected to have nuclear weapons besides Iran? If so then hasn't the USA abandon its promise to make the middle east a nuclear free zone. I wish I could elaborate on a lot more of my points but it is going to be a tdl as it is already but if you want we can even have private messages on this discussion.

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I have never been for bailout, for any reason from the saving loan and Chrysler in the seventies. I think american are to naive and really do not care whats going on unless it affects them directly. I see both side of the Illa as corrupt and cooperation influence both sides. I think corporate Law and criminal law need to be combined with corporate lawsuit.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Dom, what the hell are you talking about. Have you had any military experience? I doubt it from your posts.


'I have the Military experience.. Am I to talk about it? If so I have nothing good to say. I was in a position to hear much of the dirty dealings of are military and government. Can not say more than that on the subject.. But lets say I do not trust the military, and most of are shady government, all do to my experience. '

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That's not the message I took from her posts at all. It's also clear from your posts, as much as I'd like to agree with anything that praises our military, that you've never earned your dog tags nor seriously studied the art and science of leadership in war and combat. Right now, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off in a way that proves your ignorance to those that have.
You don't prolong war without an exit strategy, aka an overall objective. That came straight from the Art of War itself, when it sees war only as an extension of diplomacy, a mean to an end. A battle of wits always take priority before a battle of arms, when irrational guts feeling caused by fear will only get your men killed as needless death. Those who couldn't understand this are no different than the North Koreans under a military regime.
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