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The Origin of Human Morality is Social Intelligence
Posted 9/24/10 , edited 9/24/10
Let's face it, if we were so smart as a specie among the family of great apes, we sure aren't performing as well as we ought to be with our economics. But scientifically speaking that's to be expected from us humans, just like how our monkey cousins would.

And that's not to say that historically speaking we were doing far better off with our traditions and superstitions, which are upheld by our organized religions and subsequently our formal institutions either. If anything, this only proves just how emotionally broken we are as a global society goes.

So the truth is that we just don't know for sure what is the objectively moral thing to do at all times not because we're born as immoral and sinful beings, no. But the fact is that most of us are just too stupid to even realized just how stupid we are as a specie, while we kept thinking ourselves as something that we're obviously not; smart. And ironically speaking the sooner that we can all realize this nature about ourselves, the better chance we can have at achieving an objective morality within our own individual lifetime. And this can only be done with humans as social animals socializing each others about social intelligence. Not with monetary incentives like the reward/fine systems. We're not the perfectly moral machines due to our buggy moral encoding, but that's precisely how we can innovate ourselves to become better than our previous generation with even more sexy ideas.
Posted 9/24/10
We have more than one brain, and these brains do not communicate with each other very well at all. Our motives can either be driven by our better intentions and reasoning, or simply by the lust for fulfilling basic urges. You can learn to do well at controlling your instinctive drives, but they will inevitably overtake you.
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Aztecnology wrote:

We have more than one brain, and these brains do not communicate with each other very well at all. Our motives can either be driven by our better intentions and reasoning, or simply by the lust for fulfilling basic urges. You can learn to do well at controlling your instinctive drives, but they will inevitably overtake you.
Actually, my thesis would be against that very assumption of yours. By me arguing that without we humans engaging in social activities, we wouldn't have "better intentions and reasoning". We need to communicate objectively because we are all really stupid on our own, otherwise we would've been directly accessing each others' own minds without the need for us to communicate.

I mean the moment we would justify that lack of communication and antisocial behaviors are moral, we're basically looking at the current state of the Middle-Eastern social norms.
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Aztecnology wrote:

We have more than one brain, and these brains do not communicate with each other very well at all. Our motives can either be driven by our better intentions and reasoning, or simply by the lust for fulfilling basic urges. You can learn to do well at controlling your instinctive drives, but they will inevitably overtake you.
Actually, my thesis would be against that very assumption of yours. By me arguing that without we humans engaging in social activities, we wouldn't have "better intentions and reasoning". We need to communicate objectively because we are all really stupid on our own, otherwise we would've been directly accessing each others' own minds without the need for us to communicate.

I mean the sooner we would justify that lack of communication and antisocial behaviors are moral, we're basically looking at the current state of Middle-Eastern social norms.


Are you certain you have interpreted what I stated correctly? I meant the different brains inside each of our skulls. The brain that thinks, the brain housing instinct, and the brain which harbors other basic functions.
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Are you certain you have interpreted what I stated correctly? I meant the different brains inside each of our skulls. The brain that thinks, the brain housing instinct, and the brain which harbors other basic functions.
OK, I get it.

And still with the fact that human nature is nurture, we can build more neural networks within our individual selves via social networking.
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Aztecnology wrote:



Are you certain you have interpreted what I stated correctly? I meant the different brains inside each of our skulls. The brain that thinks, the brain housing instinct, and the brain which harbors other basic functions.
OK, I get it.

And still with the fact that human nature is nurture, we can build more neural networks within our individual selves via social networking.


Since we can evolve in numerous ways, that is most certain. Artificial evolution has always been an option for us, leading to a bright future, indeed. We are gradually seeing this old era of repression coming to an end and our rebirth as a species coming to pass.
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To some up your star trek world, we all animals and have needs wants and are morality is the blind spot for all the problems especially the finical ones. Then maybe you should state were are one the Borg collective, that would suit you fine until your fondness of anemia comes out. But that can be re programed as well. Then again if we just keep reproducing, natural selection well eventual take care of that just stop intervening in life and death. with out needs wants there no drive to improve ones self as a individual. Progress would stagnate to a craw that's why America still has the best medical system out there but that going to die as well.---------------------------------------------------------------------I do agree we are all animals and all have different genetic codes as well. Many of these fundamental belief systems will be hammered out until every one respect the person individual rights. trusting Government is just as silly as believing in some religious prophets. The week shall follow the power hungry machines in what ever Cloak they hide in government, religion, and what ever else a group an follow. being my own person trumps everything else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------My rules for me are simple to follow hard to keep.1) Respect every one I meet 2) help myself and I can help other 3) give my best work to all my customers. 4) Treat my employees with respect and the same with sub contractors 5) lead by example.6) never be a burden to any one else stand on my own.--------------- I have only fried two people in front of a group and chewed them out at the same time that disrespect to all. I am curtsies to other even if i do not hold there beliefs That one bugs me. When I am sick and finish a job I always feel I could have done better for my costumer there happy but I am not. As I have gotten older I can't always lead by example. when injured I had friends help me out to get around, do not like feeling like dead weight.---------------------------------------Yes the blue is my ranting
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To some up your star trek world, we all animals and have needs wants and are morality is the blind spot for all the problems especially the finical ones. Then maybe you should state were are one the Borg collective, that would suit you fine until your fondness of anemia comes out. But that can be re programed as well. Then again if we just keep reproducing, natural selection well eventual take care of that just stop intervening in life and death. with out needs wants there no drive to improve ones self as a individual. Progress would stagnate to a craw that's why America still has the best medical system out there but that going to die as well.---------------------------------------------------------------------I do agree we are all animals and all have different genetic codes as well. Many of these fundamental belief systems will be hammered out until every one respect the person individual rights. trusting Government is just as silly as believing in some religious prophets. The week shall follow the power hungry machines in what ever Cloak they hide in government, religion, and what ever else a group an follow. being my own person trumps everything else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------My rules for me are simple to follow hard to keep.1) Respect every one I meet 2) help myself and I can help other 3) give my best work to all my customers. 4) Treat my employees with respect and the same with sub contractors 5) lead by example.6) never be a burden to any one else stand on my own.--------------- I have only fried two people in front of a group and chewed them out at the same time that disrespect to all. I am curtsies to other even if i do not hold there beliefs That one bugs me. When I am sick and finish a job I always feel I could have done better for my costumer there happy but I am not. As I have gotten older I can't always lead by example. when injured I had friends help me out to get around, do not like feeling like dead weight.---------------------------------------Yes the blue is my ranting


----------------------------brain damage-------- ------------------ --- - - -------------[/fail]

Cyberbrain sclerosis!

Okay, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. There is no spoon. And, as I've said many times, we can and will improve our situations, since what we imagine will be eventually invented as though it were an instinctive drive. Man is a being utilizing tools to further its existence, rather than the reliance on natural strengths.
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What's your rant has anything to do with my topic? Other than the fact that you need a "list of things to do" for your lack of wisdom, when you don't have the finest to apply Mill's utilitarianism properly, while you lack the experience to encompass Aristotle's virtuous ethic theory.
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Well the first part was not a rant you statement was out of a science fiction movie it unrealistic. Morality is part genetics but also a learned behaviors as well and experience. Sometime telling a child something is hot and not to touch it. the child touch it anyways that on hand learning. Social intelligence. Mill's utilitarianism To me that's some literature that will not hold water in the real world maybe in college It has some meaning to some socialist professor. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But the real world whats for no one do nothing chance passes by. You come in this world as individual and you got the same way with in a generation your no longer even remember. Only a handful will leave any mark in human history and so far a capitalist republic has been the best engine to motivate people. Simple really you make or break it no if and or buts. If i can do it any one else can do it too, and I have one armed tied behind my back. Then you will notice I am hard core through and through.
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And you only have nothing but more entitlement to backup your claims, just like how you were taught to believe in whatever that you were told as progress by your own government. You're nothing but a tool, one that can't even keep a friend due to how you downplayed social intelligence.
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Well the first part was not a rant you statement was out of a science fiction movie it unrealistic. Morality is part genetics but also a learned behaviors as well and experience. Sometime telling a child something is hot and not to touch it. the child touch it anyways that on hand learning. Social intelligence. Mill's utilitarianism To me that's some literature that will not hold water in the real world maybe in college It has some meaning to some socialist professor. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But the real world whats for no one do nothing chance passes by. You come in this world as individual and you got the same way with in a generation your no longer even remember. Only a handful will leave any mark in human history and so far a capitalist republic has been the best engine to motivate people. Simple really you make or break it no if and or buts. If i can do it any one else can do it too, and I have one armed tied behind my back. Then you will notice I am hard core through and through.


I wonder the implication of kinesthetics as a social activity. Hands-on learning certainly helps certain bonds form. Several people can form connections physically. Hey, we have what might be an orgy in the works!
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That funny. I always had to deal with the ugly parts of the world. I learned fast, to make it you push yourself until you can take it then get back and charge head on. Logging a 100 hours in a week as not uncommon doing a plant start up. Sleeping in the your car or a cot in some loud ass control room being woke and asked questions. Hotel rooms mostly just to clean up and get a few hours sleep. i will never understand people that work 40 hrs a week for somebody else think it going to make there future. I know some that can work 60 for corporation that pull in big cash but there the Plan manage or a VP of the corporation and seeing them get the ax happened when thing went wrong production numbers or bad product. I would play with my 14800 vac than do there job.
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tarakelly wrote:

And you only have nothing but more entitlement to backup your claims, just like how you were taught to believe in whatever that you were told as progress by your own government. You're nothing but a tool, one that can't even keep a friend due to how you downplayed social intelligence.


You may see me as a tool but I work for my own sake and do not even need to work now. I have been semi retired for some time now. You can play the game what will fix the world through socialized engineering. But people are just that people. They have their wants and dreams and many people get jealous of other. The jealously of others is such a twisted fate and self defeating. playing what fair to everyone will kill ambition. You can spin it any way you want. Now people here think they can get a free ride at the ballot box. Ignorance is bliss for a while and educated ignorance on economics is a fool with out a clue. To talk of ones philosophy that never worked is just talk. If you can play God and change all the things you may think will work that making People into Tools.
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Posted 9/24/10 , edited 9/25/10
Sometimes Dom waxes obscure for me. But I do get one part. He's basically saying we don't start life as fully paid up members of the human race. we learn to be human as we encounter and deal with other humans. We continue to grow as humans or fail to do so. by the amount and quality of contact we have with others, or don't.

I get that much and it's got nothing to do with Socialism or government. Please Tara, don't mistake Dom's philospical musings for political statements and Dom, give her a break, by her account she's lived a hard life and learned some hard lessons and bootstrapped herself to a position of comfort despite that. That accomplishment deserves a little respect. You know she's got her difficulties with written language if you always take her clumsiness for offense you'll never socialize properly with Her.

(edit; corrected absent word that reversed the meaning of my final sentence)
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