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Posted 9/25/10

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No, sloppy english on my part. The 'you' is just a retorical 'you' directed at whomever is at the heart of this restriction.
I pay crunchy roll so that 'you' get's paid whatever crunchy pays for it's acquisitions.


My point was that the "you" is not here ~ if we want to be heard, we'd need to find out who has the rights and start telling it to them.

If it was the normal UK, Ireland, Netherlands and Scandinavia with region blocking in the rest of Europe, I'd suspect Animax-Europe as being part of it. But since this is a French-Japanese co-production, broadcast on Canal+, which is broadcast on satellite as well as terrestrial TV and cable, I'd say that European members ought to write to Canal+ ... letting them know that restricting the Crunchyroll stream does not build their market, it just robs them of an opportunity to cross-market.

The odds that it will work right away is low, but better than the odds of anything happening because people whinge in a Crunchyroll forum.
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Damn not available in Canada....
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i was like, "Yeaa!!i can finish it at last!!"...then i saw the "only US" >.< ma ii ka.. *claps* x)
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Posted 9/25/10

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

No, sloppy english on my part. The 'you' is just a retorical 'you' directed at whomever is at the heart of this restriction.
I pay crunchy roll so that 'you' get's paid whatever crunchy pays for it's acquisitions.


My point was that the "you" is not here ~ if we want to be heard, we'd need to find out who has the rights and start telling it to them.

If it was the normal UK, Ireland, Netherlands and Scandinavia with region blocking in the rest of Europe, I'd suspect Animax-Europe as being part of it. But since this is a French-Japanese co-production, broadcast on Canal+, which is broadcast on satellite as well as terrestrial TV and cable, I'd say that European members ought to write to Canal+ ... letting them know that restricting the Crunchyroll stream does not build their market, it just robs them of an opportunity to cross-market.

The odds that it will work right away is low, but better than the odds of anything happening because people whinge in a Crunchyroll forum.


Fair enough. Although I'm not interested enough in this particular show to be arsed to be bother. I just happen to think that making it hard for people to enjoy their product legally just gives ammunition to the apologists for piracy.

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Yes, because it's not too much to hope for Crunchyroll themselves to have possibly looked into worldwide streaming rights for a relatively obscure series as this.voice to the ongoing chorus of complaints on Crunchyroll's continued short-sightedness with regard to not obtaining worldwide streaming rights.

If the U.S. rights holder approached CR, rather than the other way around, I would think CR would first want to see how much interest there is in the series before attempting to chase down rights in other countries. It isn't as if CR has an infinite staff, especially given that we are on the cusp of a new anime season, and negotiations for additional simulcasts are likely still ongoing.

I don't know if CR has any staff in countries other than the U.S. and Japan, but if not, that would explain why we have yet to see any exclusives for other countries.

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Gounut wrote: As it is I'm proud to exercise my right to add another voice to the ongoing chorus of complaints on Crunchyroll's continued short-sightedness with regard to not obtaining worldwide streaming rights.


Except there is no evidence at all that Crunchyroll is failing to do something it can do to get the streaming rights, and for something like this where Canal+ is involved ~ and they have a long history of being involved in the finance of productions ~ its not like Crunchyroll can leave a message and automatically expect that their call will be returned.

Go ahead and "exercise your right" to let Crunchyroll know what they obviously already know, but if its a co-production that included even Quebecois participation locking up the Canadian rights, you've got somewhere else to complain to ~ that is, if you're interested in making progress on the problem.

Edit: Part of the production team is:

DARGAUD - MARINA

15-27 rue Moussorgski
75018 PARIS FRANCE

They seem to be a smaller company organized around a French director/producer (Dargaud Marina), they might be more likely to notice a burst of messages from European anime fans that allowing Crunchyroll to stream this is an opportunity to market the series.

Email: contact@dargaud-marina.fr

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Posted 9/25/10 , edited 9/25/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


agila61 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

No, sloppy english on my part. The 'you' is just a retorical 'you' directed at whomever is at the heart of this restriction.
I pay crunchy roll so that 'you' get's paid whatever crunchy pays for it's acquisitions.


My point was that the "you" is not here ~ if we want to be heard, we'd need to find out who has the rights and start telling it to them.

If it was the normal UK, Ireland, Netherlands and Scandinavia with region blocking in the rest of Europe, I'd suspect Animax-Europe as being part of it. But since this is a French-Japanese co-production, broadcast on Canal+, which is broadcast on satellite as well as terrestrial TV and cable, I'd say that European members ought to write to Canal+ ... letting them know that restricting the Crunchyroll stream does not build their market, it just robs them of an opportunity to cross-market.

The odds that it will work right away is low, but better than the odds of anything happening because people whinge in a Crunchyroll forum.


Fair enough. Although I'm not interested enough in this particular show to be arsed to be bother. I just happen to think that making it hard for people to enjoy their product legally just gives ammunition to the apologists for piracy.



Great point. We have recently gotten over the hump with music. It just took a good 10 years. Movies are having the same problems as music did years ago as is tv/anime and all the other stuff related. They need to understand the market and realize it's better to make a little profit and let people watch it legally then make strict rules that just are going to cause people to torrent the product and no make anything from it at all.
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I won't enter the discussion about who to complain to as all of the industry is probably at fault, but the very irony of the situation here is that a french-japanese anime is actually restricted for broacast in France. So far, this is the greatest example of the absurdity of the situation that I have seen.
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TheAncientOne wrote:

If the U.S. rights holder approached CR, rather than the other way around, I would think CR would first want to see how much interest there is in the series before attempting to chase down rights in other countries. It isn't as if CR has an infinite staff, especially given that we are on the cusp of a new anime season, and negotiations for additional simulcasts are likely still ongoing.


Its quite possible that they already attempted to chase down rights in other countries ~ as you say, we are on the cusp of a new anime season, and last week Crunchy announced two different package deals including a total of six simulcasts for the next season, so its quite possible they were negotiating with Satelight more to the middle of summer, but just didn't get any response when they tried to get rights outside the US.

As afar as expanding rights, Yumeiro Patisserie would be an obvious higher priority: coming up on its continuation (after a time-skip), and only available in North America, Scandinavia and UAE, but still entrenched on the front page of the anime popularity rankings.

But if European, Latin American or Ozzie/Kiwi members were to start pestering contact@dargaud-marina.fr and contact@europacorp.com then Crunchyroll might have more luck if they try again after the rush of launching Fall2010 has passed.
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Posted 9/27/10
The voice acting is painful! There should be a warning, may make bleeding from the eardrums....
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I think that part of the problem I feel is that I pay the same Crunchyroll membership every month as people living in the USA, but can only see a smaller percentage of the shows that people in the USA can see.

Perhaps rather than a flat rate, Crunchroll should charge their membership fee based on what percentage of the shows you can actually watch.

So, for example, if you are in the USA and can see all the shows, then 100% of the membership fee is payable, while if you are in another part of the world, and can see only 80% of the shows, then membership would be 20% cheaper.

At the moment it is feeling like paying members living outside the USA are subsidizing both the paying members and free viewers within the USA and that can't be right.

I should point out that I've lived in the USA, Spain and UK, but at the moment the way Crunchyroll seems to be adding an increasing number of region restricted titles does not seem fair and equitable to paying members.
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The voice acting is painful! There should be a warning, may make bleeding from the eardrums....


Its not that bad at all. The first few episodes its not all that great but by the 3rd episode it gets much better and for a dub done a few years ago its not bad at all. Ive by far seen much much worse then this. The dub is actually decent.
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Posted 9/28/10
French-Japanese cool; I hope it's good.
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Posted 9/29/10

Cynergist wrote:

At the moment it is feeling like paying members living outside the USA are subsidizing both the paying members and free viewers within the USA and that can't be right.


Sure, it feels that way, emotionally, but is it that way in reality?

For free viewers, that is quite definitely turned around backwards: ad-streams to North America generate a lot more revenue than ad-streams anywhere else, so free viewers within North America are "paying" much more per episode than most free viewers outside the US. That plus the fact that the US is the single largest national media rights market is why so many other streams are available in the US that are not available elsewhere.

Pragmatically, there are three models: pay per view, subscriber with samples, and premium subscriber with some form of free ad-stream.

If someone tried to launch a Europe-only or Oceania-only or ASEAN-only or Latin America-only "Crunchyroll", there'd be no option of premium subscriber with free ad-streams, because the ads don't pay enough outside of the US. It'd be subscriber with free samples or pay per view.

So it looks like, if the non-US subscribers are subsidizing anybody, they are subsidizing the non-US "free" views.

But since the non-US free views attract more subscribers, and more subscribers push down costs, and make it easier for Crunchyroll to get more anime, in subsidizing non-US free views, they are investing in the future of Crunchyroll streaming more anime into their countries.
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I really had fun watching this show and enjoined this series a lot.
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