1- So, just because some list you found somewhere says you are a conservative, you think you are? Obviously, you just want to subscribe to a doctrine, and then choose to believe what everyone says conservatives believe. For example, I may believe in both government regulation in some areas and individual choices elsewhere- does that make me a bleeding heart liberal or a die-hard conservative- neither, because, as I moderate, I don't print a list of the extreme to follow to the death. But, pretend you are a conservative, why support the government in the action of killing people- isn't that giving it too much authority, or having police, firefighters, and all that, shouldn't the government not have a monopoly on those sectors? If you say yes, you are obviously supporting an authoritarian government, am I not correct? Likewise, if you believe that government shouldn't, say, tell you who you can or cannot marry, or where you can or cannot worship, as 'tis very fashionable among liberals, you are obviously a freedom-loving conservative, when eminent, though widely hated among almost everyone, conservatives like Mr Robertson, Mr Bush, and Mrs Palin do have such radical ideas. If a small town business is unable to compete with a foriegn bigger business, and government does nothing to interfere to protect against this invasion, obviously that is freedom- the formation of trusts and monopoly is economic freedom, &c. To support such discredited laissez faire view would be folly, but quite liberal.

2- And a big government is need to enforce those laws- if we had a small, impotent government, who is going to enforce it, hire militia-men, mercenaries? Also, because, according to you, Authoritarianism does not equal law, therefore the reverse must be true, Law does not equal Authoritarian, and therefore 'Obamacare' does not equal Authoritarian. But, I am only workign with your logic.

3- Firing squads, torture, and gassing prisoners- you don't mean to tell me you are a fascist now-
Fascist=Authoritarian=Liberal.

It is as I suspected, you have turn'd out Liberal afterall.

But, if you are willing to accept such cruelty, which is against the Bill of Rights that "should never be bent" because our great Godheads, the Founders, had a vision that somehow perfectly coincide with the orator's vision of America, though, in that, I must apologise for my digression. These 'unbendables', which, you say, should never be bent lest we become- gasp- Fascist/Liberal are going to be bent with gas-chambers and firing sqauds and torture. But why not go all the way now that it is going to be bent- let's have the good old Misery Wheel, Quartering, Hanging, Drawing, Public Beheading, Stakes, &c.

Bah, I hate multi quotes :(

No, I'm saying if that url chart thing is what accurate then i fall under the conservitive category. I do not support taxes ever going above 15% on anyone period, that thats combines taxes, federal, state, and local. Conserivtives generally believe that.

The police, fire, and military is the government job.



Big government is bad because it means the government is controlling and regulating every aspect of your life. The government is not your friend, it is not looking out for you, if you want to see an example of big government go move to china. The big government there controls every single aspect of your life, it controls everything. The people have no rights and no freedoms there because of the big government. Look at the disaster called california, the government there has its fingers in every aspect of everyone life. takes 6 months and 1000 dollars to open a business because of all the bureaucratic red tape. Then look at texas, the sate has like no state government, very limited, can get a businesses license in less than an hour, and texas enforces its laws just fine, something that limited government cannot do according to you.

Big government means the government controls you and your entire life, your blind if you cant see it. The federal government is huge and it controls everything. The federal government has its fingers in every aspect of every citizens life. It controls everything. Everything.

If you want big government go move to China or Europe, but America is a country founded on the concept of small government and freedom, just because you hate freedom and liberty doesn't give you the right to take ours away. But I do not recommend moving to Europe since its not going to be around in 5 years.



Firing squads for execution is not fascism. Its a perfect method of execution. Costs 10 dollars for bullets, takes, 30 seconds. Its a prime method.

And how else are you supposed to extract information from terrorists. I suppose you think that Islam poses no threat to your freedoms. Islam is the religion of peace ? Your bloody delusional. Plus these people aren't Americans they don't get constitutional rights. Free from cruel and unusual punishment doesn't apply to them.



Founding fathers were the greatest people who ever lived. They created the once great country that's now dead. Even tho this country has been killed, its still the greatest country in the world. Amazing isn't it.

You know, I think, half the time my grievance with you is not what you say but how you say it. If you had said in the beginning something like "Many loud Liberal voices are hypocrites" and then pointed to Al Gore's example of Hypocrisy in action. I'd have little to argue about. Sure many liberal politicians are hypocrites. Of course so are many politicians of all kinds of political flavours.

But what you said. And unfortunately what you honestly seem to believe, is "Hypocrisy is a core liberal value." That would be like me saying that "Hedonistic unpleasantness defines all conservatives" just because Rush Limbaugh is a fat, unpleasant drug addict, one person does not define a whole label. That would be unfair.

Yeah, my diction is pretty bad, I will acknowledge that, its a side effect of Aspurgers, atypical use of language

Hmm... do you have some sort of language crutch or filter you can run your statements through? seriously. I prefer to argue about things I really disagree on. Not go offside in a rage because someone misspoke.

Nope I'm pretty stuck with bad diction. Its implemented on a hardware level. Unless you happen know of a method to cure autism.

While you triple-posting is against the ED forum rule #7, so what's your point?

And what the hell have you been reading? Since when was the last time that any corporation got sued for false advertisement?

Also, your entitlement claim on the congress couldn't be more wrong, and here's why. Furthermore, are you the one here in favor of no government regulation in the economic sphere? So how did the Wall Street's irresponsibility became the government's fault? When the government did exactly what you wanted.

People should learn to defend for themselves? Now you're just making more excuses for your own mother to abandon you in the first place.

Also, social business financed through microcredit is not non-government organization(NGO) funded by charities and trust funds, stupid.

And finally, you're lying about both the reality that is selfless social business being more sustainable and profitable, even more so that selfish capitalism. Who are ironically pretending that they actually care about others:Looks like even your trusted selfish capitalism had betrayed you with its own lies.

Nope, though Asperger's is a fairly high functioning example of the autism spectrum. a friend of mine with it is a reasonably sucessful middle management type in the insurance industry and a local poker champ. I began my career as a developmental service worker so I've seen people within the spectrum who were much more impaired that this friend of mine who has a Masters degree in a social science (I've forgotten which one) and a undergrad degree from one of Canada's most prestigious (and wealthy) universities. I actually attended his master's dissertation and defence and found him very well spoken.


My friend's problems come mostly in social situations. He's utterly deaf to 95% of human face to face communication. That is to say, he only perceives the text of the words spoken to him. Not the tone of voice, the rythym and cadence of the deliver, nor the non-verbal body language.

This is to his advantage in poker. He can remember every card dealt and can't be bluffed.

Not only that you denied the allegation from the creator of microcredit himself. It seems like you're the one who are misleading your audiences with your fake hyperlink, while you downplayed professional journalism altogether. Furthermore, since the Internet itself is an impersonal agent of socialization, there's no way you can tell what my emotional state is like without you knowing my immediate situation. In other words, you're only supplying your own emotions whenever you're reading words, and this means you're just reacting on your Asperger syndrome, it still doesn't make your off topic rant being right.

I, on the otherhand, don't know how to split things up, and therefore answer point by point:

1- So you want to benefits that taxes reap, that is keeping up our military, fixing our roads, maintaining our parks, and the like- but you just don't want taxes- I suppose we are to find that money somewhere else- Let's go start looting other countries, foriegn properties, and rob every foriegn Tom, Dick, and Harry to sate your twin desires.

2- Also, Firing Squads and gassing, while not exactly Fascist, is the preferred method by Fascist. And Islam? Well, Fundamental Christians pose a much bigger threat to our nation- read any of Popcorn's post and you see that they are just a bigoted and just as intolerant of other ideas, only they are much bigger. They have hijacked the Republican Party, and are trying to drive that into the great Wall of Secularism our Founders have erected. Also, read the Eighth amendment:



Where does it say, but only to Americans. As long as it is within our facilities, it is still bending this great law.

3- Wow! These men, great as they were, are not as great as many other people who have lived and died and who shall be born. Are you willing to posit that these men are greater than Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Federick Douglass, and Attila the Hun (who is only in here because he was a pretty awesome chap)?

Its easy, just place each block in its own [ quote ] [ / quote ]






I never I don't want taxes, taxes are needed for some shit, I said I don't want high taxes, a 35% federal income tax is outrageous, 35% of 250,000 is 87,000 dollars, that's unacceptable. Plus when you add all the other federal taxes + state taxes + local taxes, its more like 50%, 50% of 250,000 is 125,000 dollars, that's is utterly unacceptable. It makes people running businesses have to work that much harder to make ends meat when the government is robbing them blind like that.

Taxes should never exceed 15% total, period. Something is seriously wrong if taxes are exceeding 15%, 20 is alright but pushing, and I mean combined taxes, Federal, State, and Local.



No matter how liberal one is, they cannot deny that bullets are dead cheap, and that firing squads are damn effective.

And Islam poses the biggest threat to the U.S. They want to kill you, and will use any means to do it, Just look at Europe, remember Theo Van Gogh had his head cut off by a muslim for the outrageous crime of free speech. Or what about Ilan Halimi, he was tortured for three weeks, burned with acid, had fingers and toes cut off and was set doused in rubbing alcohol then set on fire for the crime of being a Jew. In India a 11 year old girl was also set on fire for wearing lipstick, doused in kerosene and set alight. Or what about Sébastien Selam, a muslim youth gouged his eyes out with a fork and stabbed him to death with a butterfly knife then went upstairs to him mother and told her "I kill my Jew, I go to paradise now".



The constitution only applies to American citizens, It has no meaning in Europe or Russia or Korea or India and thus POW's not being American Citizens are not protected by it.

Besides how else do you propose we extract intel from them ? I'm open to suggestions.



Forefathers were the greatest people who ever lived, they created the greatest country in the world, unrilvaled to this day.

(emphasis mine)

Given the speed with which you claim ignorance when the topic drifts beyond your borders, I call bullshit. That parochial assertion is as much a faith based statement as anything any holy book thumping Muslim or Christian has ever said on this forum.

One-So you are for taxes under 15%- running the country doesn't come cheap, with war and everything going on, or are you saying you're against this war? Don't tell me you are, Oh my god, you are infected with Liberalism/Authoritarianism/Fascism.

Likewise, at fifteen percent, the goverment will have to cut many public services, just to insure the payroll of the Politicians, you're not saying that you want to cut public services, do you? But, apperantly, any public service is government intervention, when everyone knows that everything should be cared for by those we know we can't trust, Big Businesses- after all, they are doing a marvellous job exporting American Jobs and neglecting the health of those who still work for them in America.

Two- the Consitution is for the American Government, not its people- the government insures our right to free speech on our own land, if a foriegner decides to come here to speak about how much he hates his old country, that's his right, and if he goes back home, we are no longer responsible for him. The law against Cruel or Unusual punishment is only applicable to our government- our government cannot torture people. Also, torture doesn't work, torture a man long enough and he'll tell you black is white and two plus two equal five.

Also, Moslems are just as any other group, they have their irrational and their rational, only the irrational get the most screen time.

Three- yes, those slave-whippers, fighting for America's right not to get taxed to pay for a war on their behalf and then setting up a government almost completely similar to back home in Britain, only without a monarch. Yes, great people, they are.

Given also that they wanted to change the system for one that thought was better. They were also liberals. Meanwhile The conservatives in the 13 colonies who wanted to remain loyal to the British crown had their homes and crops burned themselves and their families tarred and feathered (if they were lucky) and were driven out to become, among other things, part of my own family tree. yeah as you say, great bunch.

Asperger Syndrome lololololol

I am pretty sure that Allhailodin was trolling.