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Posted 11/19/10 , edited 11/19/10

QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:



Asperger Syndrome lololololol

I am pretty sure that Allhailodin was trolling.


He does, in fact, have Aspergers Syndrome., you patronizing jackass.


I see. Well, I have this to say to you; Asperger Syndrome is not a real disease, it is a silly little mental quirk. If you cannot make eye contact with another person who you should FUCKING have some respect for, then you could use a bit of readjustment.

Do not refer to me as a jackass. I am far beyond the likes of your mentally inferior ilk.
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Posted 11/19/10 , edited 11/19/10

Mr_Entropy wrote:


QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:



Asperger Syndrome lololololol

I am pretty sure that Allhailodin was trolling.


He does, in fact, have Aspergers Syndrome., you patronizing jackass.


I see. Well, I have this to say to you; Asperger Syndrome is not a real disease, it is a silly little mental quirk. If you cannot make eye contact with another person who you should FUCKING have some respect for, then you could use a bit of readjustment.

Do not refer to me as a jackass, you fucking cunt. I am far beyond the likes of your mentally inferior ilk.




lol You called me a " fucking cunt" yet you think that I am mentally inferior to you?. Such rubbish.

I, on the other hand, called you a "jackass" because your behavior warrants such an appropriate insult.

I'm not going to debate with you whether or not "Aspergers Syndrome" is a "real disease". But I am going to say that just because someone has a"metal quirk" as you called it, doesn't meant that they deserve such mistreatment. Especially from the likes of you.

That is all.
Posted 11/19/10 , edited 11/19/10

QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:


QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:



Asperger Syndrome lololololol

I am pretty sure that Allhailodin was trolling.


He does, in fact, have Aspergers Syndrome., you patronizing jackass.


I see. Well, I have this to say to you; Asperger Syndrome is not a real disease, it is a silly little mental quirk. If you cannot make eye contact with another person who you should FUCKING have some respect for, then you could use a bit of readjustment.

Do not refer to me as a jackass, you fucking cunt. I am far beyond the likes of your mentally inferior ilk.




lol You called me a " fucking cunt" yet you think that I am mentally inferior to you?. Such rubbish.

I, on the other hand, called you a "jackass" because your behavior warrants such an appropriate insult.

I'm not going to debate with you whether or not "Aspergers Syndrome" is a "real disorder". But I am going to say that just because someone has a"metal quirk" as you called it, doesn't meant that they deserve such mistreatment. Especially from the likes of you.

That is all.


As you turn your proverbial nose up at me, just understand that there isn't anything more disgusting than a person who feels he can truly argue from the side of morals. I am sure of your offenses being no less than the common person. To put it in another way; we are born in sin and die in sin.

You can think you've defended someone and served a wrongdoer some poetic justice all you like, but nothing you say matters to anyone beyond that of a mere whisper. Your stuffy and sycophantic attitude is wrought with decay.
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Posted 11/19/10 , edited 11/19/10

Mr_Entropy wrote:


QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:


QuasimodoSunday wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:



Asperger Syndrome lololololol

I am pretty sure that Allhailodin was trolling.


He does, in fact, have Aspergers Syndrome., you patronizing jackass.


I see. Well, I have this to say to you; Asperger Syndrome is not a real disease, it is a silly little mental quirk. If you cannot make eye contact with another person who you should FUCKING have some respect for, then you could use a bit of readjustment.

Do not refer to me as a jackass, you fucking cunt. I am far beyond the likes of your mentally inferior ilk.




lol You called me a " fucking cunt" yet you think that I am mentally inferior to you?. Such rubbish.

I, on the other hand, called you a "jackass" because your behavior warrants such an appropriate insult.

I'm not going to debate with you whether or not "Aspergers Syndrome" is a "real disorder". But I am going to say that just because someone has a"metal quirk" as you called it, doesn't meant that they deserve such mistreatment. Especially from the likes of you.

That is all.


As you turn your proverbial nose up at me, just understand that there isn't anything more disgusting than a person who feels he can truly argue from the side of morals. I am sure of your offenses being no less than the common person. To put it in another way; we are born in sin and die in sin.

You can think you've defended someone and served a wrongdoer some poetic justice all you like, but nothing you say matters to anyone beyond that of a mere whisper. Your stuffy and sycophantic attitude is wrought with decay.


I don't recall ever defending Allhailodin because I have a sanctimonious attitude. Or that I'm being sycophantic. You attacked my friend. I've defended for him. That is all. It has little do do with upholding whatever moral code that you assume that I have.

As the old adage states

"Never assume because you'll make an ass out of you and me."

Banal statement, yes. Yet appropriate for your case.
Posted 11/19/10


You attacked, I defended. Like an ant hill that is harassed, it fights back. You assumed I am without any plausible intellect, so you refer to me a jackass. The insults you inflict carry deep into the minds of every person no matter what they say to appear as though they've shrugged it off.

Your integrity is in question here, sir. Do you feel as though it amounts to anything which can be defended, or are you going to allow a mere jackass (such as myself) to point out your more unsavory traits?

Do tell me more as to how I can improve my conduct, oh great master of unfathomable philosophy.
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Posted 11/19/10

Mr_Entropy wrote:



You attacked, I defended. Like an ant hill that is harassed, it fights back. You assumed I am without any plausible intellect, so you refer to me a jackass. The insults you inflict carry deep into the minds of every person no matter what they say to appear as though they've shrugged it off.

Your integrity is in question here, sir. Do you feel as though it amounts to anything which can be defended, or are you going to allow a mere jackass (such as myself) to point out your more unsavory traits?

Do tell me more as to how I can improve my conduct, oh great master of unfathomable philosophy.


Does ignorant dick sound better? Jackass? Asperberger's is real enough for leading mental health agency to treat it in my country. You lash out at Quasimodo claim to be a victim from his words. Which just makes you a hyprocrite if you think your own shit doesn't stink.



Posted 11/19/10 , edited 11/19/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:



You attacked, I defended. Like an ant hill that is harassed, it fights back. You assumed I am without any plausible intellect, so you refer to me a jackass. The insults you inflict carry deep into the minds of every person no matter what they say to appear as though they've shrugged it off.

Your integrity is in question here, sir. Do you feel as though it amounts to anything which can be defended, or are you going to allow a mere jackass (such as myself) to point out your more unsavory traits?

Do tell me more as to how I can improve my conduct, oh great master of unfathomable philosophy.


Does ignorant dick sound better? Jackass? Asperberger's is real enough for leading mental health agency to treat it in my country. You lash out at Quasimodo claim to be a victim from his words. Which just makes you a hyprocrite if you think your own shit doesn't stink.





Point taken. However, I am just as filthy as the next man. It is not so that I hold myself in such high regard as to feel above the plane of mere mortals. I am all the same blood and guts, piss and shit, shame and guilt that comprises the ordinary man. If I do seem to play the victim, then take this into consideration; a shot fired is an attack against all people in its vicinity.
Posted 11/20/10

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Point taken. However, I am just as filthy as the next man. It is not so that I hold myself in such high regard as to feel above the plane of mere mortals. I am all the same blood and guts, piss and shit, shame and guilt that comprises the ordinary man. If I do seem to play the victim, then take this into consideration; a shot fired is an attack against all people in its vicinity.
That depends on the method; a sharpshooter with a high-power sniper rifle operates under a strict ethic of "making every shots count". That's the principle behind the justice in war criteria known as "proportionality": you only engage on enemy combatants with discrimination, any unnecessary casualty and indiscriminate death is thereby an unprofessional misconduct in the result of overkill, or what I would simply dubbed it as "bad aim". Furthermore, the doctrine of double-effect - noncombatant casualty as a result of unavoidable consequence - can only be established after exhausting all alternatives, including an official evacuation order in the form of a proper declaration of war.

I know of my own criticism aiming towards Allhailodin can be quite harsh indeed, but at the very least mine were calculated and distinguished at establishing an objective political disposition of what liberalism really is and what it stands for. In other words I'll let my opponent know quite clearly just what am I criticizing for, within the context of the forum topic.
Posted 11/20/10


My approach was merely a random shot fired as though from a madman in a clock tower. There is no precision with any of that, since it is all so chaotic. There is little point for me to discuss any of this subject further given how my knowledge of it is so limited, and my own capacity to better comprehend it is severely limited by a lack of interest.
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Posted 11/20/10

amersfoort wrote:

What's your concept of liberalism or liberalists?
What is Liberalism?

Is Liberalism good or bad?

These questions rose up on me, since I see the term Liberals being used as something bad, it's almost used like it's a curse word.
In my History classes (I studied History) everytime I read about Liberalism, it was about freedom (hence the wroth libera, wich is freedom in Latin), and other things I completely agreed with.
So... when did being a liberal become a bad, no almost evil thing?




Anyway, as I said.

Liberal is one word out of a defined spectrum many that when normally used in a social science context has a specific meaning regarding the desire for change and the perception of freedom.

It can however get attached with all sorts of cultural baggage when used in normal discourse.

Where I come from Liberal is mostly interpreted as 'member of the Liberal Party' (which has been the government of this country much more often than it has not). Likewise the terms 'Small L liberal' and 'Small c conservative' are often used to make it clear that one is referring to the spectrum I described above and not political party affiliation. Most Canadians are small c, conservative in this regard, They don't like rapid or radical change, They don't believe in fixing what isn't broke and don't feel the country should just change overnight to satisfy the new kids in town.

They're also very small l liberal when it comes to rights and freedoms. 30 years ago a Canadian head of government said "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation". Most Canadians (I'm led to believe) agree with that. there has been a steady erosion of the 'blue laws' in our country regarding sex, drugs, entertainment and lifestyle.

Hardcore Supporters of the current government like to call Liberals, Lieberals and point to the corruption scandals that pretty much brought down the last Liberal government. but the idea that Liberal is a dirty word is a foreign concept to most Canadians.

As I said before Amersfort, I think this perception of Liberalism as a bad thing is an American invention and only seems to prevail due to the loudness of some American voices.

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purple Blue Laws: is a Canadian English term (and possibly similarly used outside of Canada) regarding laws intended to regulate morality (as opposed to laws that regulate commonly accepted crimes). For example Sunday Shopping was illegal in Ontario until about 1990. It was law that all businesses had to stay closed on Sunday. The Mandated time for bars to close and to have 'last call' has become later and later over my lifetime. The various film ratings and censoring agencies asociatted with various provincial governments have gotten more and more relaxed as to how and why they rate or censor movies as they do, with the laggards in this regard tending to receive mockery from the rest of Canada for their narrow minded prudishness. Various sexual deviations from the norm have gone from being crimes to being, in some cases openly celebrated. Recently the Ontario supreme court struck down laws that made Prostitution (already legal) hard to legally profit from. This last one interestingly enough pits liberals against liberals. As some feminist groups see this as opening a door to the exploitation of women while sex workers and their allies say it allows them to come out of the shadows and operate under the full protection of the law like any other business person. My point being there's been a steady erosion of laws curtailing freedoms in this country


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First, the recent election is not an indicator of how well Obama is doing- it is an indicator of what the public feels at the moment- and the public is fickle, so, if the economy doesn't get better, with Republicans in semi-control, they are more seceptible to Blame, lose seat, and the Status Quo ante Elecciones is restored. Also, Obama one-term, are you sure that is not just wistful thinking on your part- you are no seer, stop playing one. You are blind to everything else but what you want to see.


The two are connected. If a pres does poor then Americans will be angry at said pres's poor performance. Lots(most actually) of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama's leadership. Here's a poll for you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/03/opinion/polls/main3992628.shtml

And an article, first one returned by google.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

And if the economy doesn't turn around, Obama will be a one term president. Americans blame Obama for the economy.

Poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001588-503544.html

Article.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-more-americans-blame-obama-for-economy/

Lots of Americans, most actually are very unhappy with Obama and his policies. Most americans want Obama-care repealed, most americans do not want Cap and Trade, and so on.

Americans are very unhappy with the democrats. That's what this election was all about, they were unhappy with the dem's.


Third, the Consitution can be amended- that is why senators are directly elected instead of being elected by the state legislator. If two-third of both the house or senate/two thirds of states want this, and it gets approved through the methods instated by our founders, it will be done. We can have, hypothetically, a Parliament based upon proportional representation. I am not saying it will happen, or even it can happen with the American people as it is, I am just saying it is possible and preferable to our current system.


I did say it couldn't be amended, I believe I said its a "Re Writable stone", but I also said it cannot be voided.

While it is possible technically, it would never happen, not in 100 years. Americans are too used to this system that has been used for over 200 years, and would almost never be willing to adopt one seen as backwards by most Americans.
Posted 11/20/10

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longfenglim wrote:

First, the recent election is not an indicator of how well Obama is doing- it is an indicator of what the public feels at the moment- and the public is fickle, so, if the economy doesn't get better, with Republicans in semi-control, they are more seceptible to Blame, lose seat, and the Status Quo ante Elecciones is restored. Also, Obama one-term, are you sure that is not just wistful thinking on your part- you are no seer, stop playing one. You are blind to everything else but what you want to see.


The two are connected. If a pres does poor then Americans will be angry at said pres's poor performance. Lots(most actually) of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama's leadership. Here's a poll for you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/03/opinion/polls/main3992628.shtml

And an article, first one returned by google.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

And if the economy doesn't turn around, Obama will be a one term president. Americans blame Obama for the economy.

Poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001588-503544.html

Article.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-more-americans-blame-obama-for-economy/

Lots of Americans, most actually are very unhappy with Obama and his policies. Most americans want Obama-care repealed, most americans do not want Cap and Trade, and so on.

Americans are very unhappy with the democrats. That's what this election was all about, they were unhappy with the dem's.


Third, the Consitution can be amended- that is why senators are directly elected instead of being elected by the state legislator. If two-third of both the house or senate/two thirds of states want this, and it gets approved through the methods instated by our founders, it will be done. We can have, hypothetically, a Parliament based upon proportional representation. I am not saying it will happen, or even it can happen with the American people as it is, I am just saying it is possible and preferable to our current system.


I did say it couldn't be amended, I believe I said its a "Re Writable stone", but I also said it cannot be voided.

While it is possible technically, it would never happen, not in 100 years. Americans are too used to this system that has been used for over 200 years, and would almost never be willing to adopt one seen as backwards by most Americans.
Welcome back, Mr. authoritarian. We missed you so.[/sarcasm]

Your old news are so exciting![/sarcasm] When they're completely outdated compared to the latest news on American auto industry:

But while sales have remained at historically low levels, they have nonetheless begun to rebound. And radically lower cost-structures and a renewed focus on product design have allowed GM, Ford and Chrysler to make a sharp turn back to profitability.

"We may be at much lower sales volume than historically but health is much stronger," said Jeff Schuster, a JD Power analyst.

"It's evident with earnings numbers, GM's in particular."

GM posted a profit of 4.8 billion dollars through the first nine months of the year and is expected to end the year in the black for the first time since 1994 after having accumulated more than 86 billion dollars in losses from 2005 through 2008.

Ford's share price is at its highest point in nine years after posting its sixth straight quarterly profit last month and Chrysler is expected to launch an IPO late next year.

The market reaction to GM's initial public stock offering was resounding.

Amid strong investor demand, the Detroit, Michigan-based firm priced its shares at $33 a piece before the stock market opened, in a sale that could net as much as $23.1 billion across all stock classes.

Although the final value of the sale may not be known for weeks, strong-demand clauses could send it beyond the current IPO record of 22.1 billion dollars set by the Agricultural Bank of China in July.

The IPO will allow the US government to slash its stake in GM from 61 percent to as little as 33 per cent, recouping $11.7 billion for US taxpayers.

"It seems as if investors are viewing the auto stocks as a one-way bet right now because they think that the industry is at the bottom of the cycle and there is a lot of promise," said Jeremy Anwyl, head of automotive site Edmunds.com.

"Car companies have high fixed costs and profits could skyrocket as sales increase, given that they are already profitable."(citation published: Sunday, November 21, 2010)
And whatever happened to your criticism regarding professional journalism here? Oh. Right. It got removed due to your delusion of Obama and subsequently liberalism are making America worst.
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Polls change- did you know that. I remember a time when Bush was a very popular president, before everything went downhill, and I remember when everyone was all for Obama and his change, before that went downhill- Polls tell us only about the moment. Over a hundred years ago, we would've found polls telling us that seventy-five percent of American believe in the Peril of the Yellows, strange, pig-tailed, short, yellow men trying to slowly displace citizen by taking their jobs and bredding. Do Americans believe that today? I am just saying that, no, Americans are fickle, so celebrate you victory while it last, I, on the other hand, don't give a farthing for it.

Maybe it can happen, maybe not- if enough Americans are convinced that this is good, it will happen, if not, then it won't, and, probably, it won't, as many Americans, being Amero-centric, while they do have a foggy idea of how such a parliament work, they don't really care as it isn't the basis of their democracy- a worthy view, live and let live sort of thing.
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Posted 11/21/10

amersfoort wrote:

What's your concept of liberalism or liberalists?
What is Liberalism?

Is Liberalism good or bad?

These questions rose up on me, since I see the term Liberals being used as something bad, it's almost used like it's a curse word.
In my History classes (I studied History) everytime I read about Liberalism, it was about freedom (hence the wroth libera, wich is freedom in Latin), and other things I completely agreed with.
So... when did being a liberal become a bad, no almost evil thing?




A lot of people are incredibly stupid. Liberalism ISN'T a bad thing. Don't let anyone tell you that. As stated to you, you've been hearing too many Americans speak on the subject, and there are a lot of Americans that have no clue what the fuck liberalism is.
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angrierchick wrote:


amersfoort wrote:

What's your concept of liberalism or liberalists?
What is Liberalism?

Is Liberalism good or bad?

These questions rose up on me, since I see the term Liberals being used as something bad, it's almost used like it's a curse word.
In my History classes (I studied History) everytime I read about Liberalism, it was about freedom (hence the wroth libera, wich is freedom in Latin), and other things I completely agreed with.
So... when did being a liberal become a bad, no almost evil thing?




A lot of people are incredibly stupid. Liberalism ISN'T a bad thing. Don't let anyone tell you that. As stated to you, you've been hearing too many Americans speak on the subject, and there are a lot of Americans that have no clue what the fuck liberalism is.


True. This summarizes most of the posts made here. if there was like button here i would press it
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