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Why do people sub anime?
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Posted 2/24/11

Deprea-chan13 wrote:


Najimii wrote:


Deprea-chan13 wrote:

i think they do cause that would be a wast of time for them unless the love to do it and like the experience and people sub anime because alot of people in america like anime (including me) and do not understand all the words duh!! but some people try to learn japanese so they can understand it (like me)


why do every american only say america as an example? why dont say alot of non japanese speaking people? or just alot of people outside of japan?


well sorry if that was wrong it's just came natural to me to put that it was the first thing to come to my mind when i typed it sorry


i guess it's ok, i tend to overreact to stuff like that but still, there is more english speaking countries ^^
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Posted 2/24/11
They got no life.
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Posted 4/20/11
because they want others to know and understand the anime!!!

people that subs anime are the best.. i will not understand anime thanks to them, i can now fully understand!
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Posted 4/20/11
What a weird question lol. Some subbers work for companies that sell the DVD's so they do it for the money.


Fansubbers who sub anime online are just major fans of the series who want to bring it over to the English speaking audience. Without these fans we'd never have a lot of the anime people love now. Anime publishers in the west probably would have never realised peoiple would really like Naruto,Bleach and Deathnote without the fansubbers putting it out there and it gaining a rabid online following.

Anime fandom was really built up by people like that who were so enthusiastic about it they took a chance on working to subtitle it and bring it to a western audience. Who knows where anime fandom would be in the UK if people had not taken a chance on bringing Akira over and subbing it or many of the other series and films they bought over.
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Posted 4/20/11

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I think in a perfect world, there would be an anime network that would sub animes and they would broadcast on Cable/Satellite television on multiple channels. You wouldn't have to wait but a week a or so at the most once it broadcasts in Japan, and it would be in HD. Crunchyroll I think is based on the same "dream" I would say and is a good step in that direction. Many say that the english-speaking anime fanbase isn't large enough to be profitable to the rights holders ect. I'm not sure about that, but even if so, someday it could be. Crunchyroll and the fansubbers I think are doing what they can to build up that fanbase so that we can to that point. The problem is that many of these license holders who translate the subs seem to think we fans want/need dubs, but we don't. And that just takes longer and is more expensive. The new future "anime network" I think would have to fall for this love of wanting to dub the episodes.


The English speaking fanbase is propping the anime industry up in Japan so it's certainly big enough to be profitable for them. It never used to be a large percentage but the western market has become something they rely on more and more for profits since the market has been failing in Japan due to high costs of items nobody wants to buy it anymore. In the west we enjoy boxed set package deals so we get a whoel series for a cheap price whilke Japanese people pay premium prices for a single DVD or Blu Ray.

As far as western profit margins go for the licence holders i think the more popular stuff in the west like Bleach is enough to keep profits up and cover any losses by less popular anime being bought out that doesn't sell very well. But then they don't really pay a lot for most anime licences anyway unless it's a really big one so they usually sell enough to make a small profit.
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Posted 4/20/11

confuser987 wrote:
I don't see any reason why people would sub it.


Step 1. Sub anime for free
Step 2. Post it on the internets
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Take a nap
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Posted 4/20/11

Kevin_Levin wrote:

Well, there's "right or wrong answer" to this question

1 - They're impatient
2 - the fans. Fans have a hate complex of not wanting to purchase the DVD, which's called; stealing in my book and in the anime staff/actors. They'd rather dl it


Some of us don't have access to anime DVDs and Manga volumes, like me. Honesty if I had access to manga and anime DVDs I'd buy and stay away from anime hosting sites. It really does make me feel guilty knowing that the mangaka I love won't get anything from what I'm doing (watching and reading on the internet) but I simply have no other choice to "feed my need". Yeah, ebay and amazon i have access to but my parents won't allow me to have my own credit card or use theirs but please don't generalize on the hate complex^^
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Posted 4/20/11
Fan subs are a important part of anime industry. The best thing we can do is, when it available in a legal format, support it. You don't have to buy every title. Just the few you really love.
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Posted 4/21/11
Fansubs can detract from the industry, but at they same time they are essential in the growth of an audience. I like other people, will try and watch something legally first if possible (CR, Hulu, Anime Network). However, with fansubs you broaden your choice of anime and most likely increase the accuracy of translation.

What I think should happen is the American distributors should license as many titles as possible and hire the very fansubbers who broadcast them illegally to work for them and push out as much material as possible. I'm relying on a fool's hope and I know this is obviously very unlikely to happen. Though, in my very unschooled opinion on anime licensing, this could be satisfactory for everyone involved by increasing your audience and putting out quality content for money as quickly as possible can only be a good thing right?
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Posted 4/21/11
One of the biggest reasons with fansubs is that while many people know what they are doing is illegal because of copyright infringement, they do it for fans who might not have a legal way to watch whatever show is being subbed. When CrunchyRoll has simulcasts that are region blocked because of stupid restraints with the licensing negotiations, this could be why some groups will fansub/rip the CrunchyRoll stream so a person in France could watch a show region locked to North America. Also, like it was mentioned, they sub shows that could get licensed by companies. Honestly, it would be really foolish for American companies license certain series that could sell well on DVD without at least giving some acknowledgement they licensed the shows in part from it having a steady fansub audience.
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Posted 4/21/11 , edited 4/21/11

"However, with fansubs you broaden your choice of anime and most likely increase the accuracy of translation."


How do you get better accuracy of translation from fansubs when the domestic companies like FUNimation Entertainment and Sentai Filmworks bring in professional translators to work on the various series?


"What I think should happen is the American distributors should license as many titles as possible and hire the very fansubbers who broadcast them illegally to work for them and push out as much material as possible."


That would run the industry in North America into the ground within a month or two. As it stands, some series cost as much as $20,000 USD or more per episode to license for a series. Not only that, largely in part due to fansubs and illegal downloads, Blu-Ray and DVD sales aren't nearly as high as they were several years ago, so they would be losing money from the licensing of various series alone.


"I'm relying on a fool's hope and I know this is obviously very unlikely to happen. Though, in my very unschooled opinion on anime licensing, this could be satisfactory for everyone involved by increasing your audience and putting out quality content for money as quickly as possible can only be a good thing right?


Just because a series is released and subtitled quickly doesn't mean that it'll sell and make money. There are many, many series that would never make it North America if money was involved. If a North American companies released episodes of different series in a "pay-per-episode" format for downloading, the "fans" would still go for the fansubs, because they don't have to pay for them. Plus, that would also be breaking the contracts that the North American companies have with the various companies who provide subtitling services for them, which is not a good thing for those companies.
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Posted 4/22/11
I mentioned that fansubs can certainly undermine the anime industry to a degree. Your points are all valid and while I clearly don't know all the logistics of the anime industry I don't assume my idea is too far-fetched. Sure it might not be kosher now, but I think there is a possibility of putting the idea of fansubs to good and legal use in some fashion that wont ruin the American anime industry.
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Posted 4/24/11
er so non-japanese and deth people can watch it without having to wait for it to be dubbed(well not the deth ppl....) or without having to sit threw horrible dubbing.



y not lol?
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Posted 4/24/11
they can live off donations =D lol
but hey im not complaining, in fact im thankful! hopefully i dunt have to rely on them in a couple more years
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Posted 5/9/11

MrMoondoggie wrote:


CG111777 wrote:

I think in a perfect world, there would be an anime network that would sub animes and they would broadcast on Cable/Satellite television on multiple channels. You wouldn't have to wait but a week a or so at the most once it broadcasts in Japan, and it would be in HD. Crunchyroll I think is based on the same "dream" I would say and is a good step in that direction. Many say that the english-speaking anime fanbase isn't large enough to be profitable to the rights holders ect. I'm not sure about that, but even if so, someday it could be. Crunchyroll and the fansubbers I think are doing what they can to build up that fanbase so that we can to that point. The problem is that many of these license holders who translate the subs seem to think we fans want/need dubs, but we don't. And that just takes longer and is more expensive. The new future "anime network" I think would have to fall for this love of wanting to dub the episodes.


The English speaking fanbase is propping the anime industry up in Japan so it's certainly big enough to be profitable for them. It never used to be a large percentage but the western market has become something they rely on more and more for profits since the market has been failing in Japan due to high costs of items nobody wants to buy it anymore. In the west we enjoy boxed set package deals so we get a whoel series for a cheap price whilke Japanese people pay premium prices for a single DVD or Blu Ray.

As far as western profit margins go for the licence holders i think the more popular stuff in the west like Bleach is enough to keep profits up and cover any losses by less popular anime being bought out that doesn't sell very well. But then they don't really pay a lot for most anime licences anyway unless it's a really big one so they usually sell enough to make a small profit.


Assuming everything you just said is true, the fact remains that the shows air in Japan and it comes on their TV in their language. We don't get that. In order to watch these shows in English legally, we MUST pay. In Japan, why buy the DVDs when you can just watch it on TV? Here, at least before CR it was either buy the DVDS or go download an illegal fansub. CR helps but they don't have access to nearly every anime.

Even if they are not making money of Anime products, I am they are still raking it in endorsements for products people over there do actually want and can use that have nothing to do with anime. That's why I think a Cable or satellite channel or two would be ideal. The channel could offer a percentage to the owners from the endorsements in exchange for the licenses for the animes, and they could sub the anime for free and the owners would get free overseas advertisements for their junk they're trying to sell. They they have it set up now. They have no commercials and they get no endorsements.
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