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Real Life Self Defense Scenarios
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Hello folks,

In our karate class we have been tasked with coming up with real world scenarios in which you will need to defend yourself. We have covered being grabbed from behind or by the shirt collar, getting sucker punched from behind*, and someone (probably a drunk?) throwing a hay maker.

* our sucker punch scenario: Someone grabs your shoulder, yanks you around, and tries to punch you.

Before someone mentions guns, all scenarios related to guns are out of the question. Short of wearing specialized gear and / or having advanced military training, there isn't much that you can do against a gun. If someone pulls a gun on you then you do what they say, or you get shot. It's really that simple.

The setting:

This particular karate class takes place on campus at our university (though they do have the option of going to the dojo should they wish, but I digress).

The goal:

We will present our self defense scenario to the intermediate level class. We will then choose a scenario and practice defending against it. Then, during a different class, we will present the scenario to the beginning level class.

The situation should be realistic and plausible. The goal is to teach everyone - including absolute beginners - how to handle a situation that may actually happen to them.

This is a small university town with a lot of parties but very little serious crime, but that's not to say that bad things don't happen here.

Thank you for any thoughts that you share.
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Almost all situations can be averted if you carry a gun on you. Someone tries something point it at him and cock it.
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Myskers wrote:

Hello folks,

In our karate class we have been tasked with coming up with real world scenarios in which you will need to defend yourself. We have covered being grabbed from behind or by the shirt collar, getting sucker punched from behind*, and someone (probably a drunk?) throwing a hay maker.

* our sucker punch scenario: Someone grabs your shoulder, yanks you around, and tries to punch you.

Before someone mentions guns, all scenarios related to guns is out of the question. Short of wearing specialized gear and / or having advanced military training, there isn't much that you can do against a gun. If someone pulls a gun on you then you do what they say, or you get shot. It's really that simple.

The setting:

This particular karate class takes place on campus at our university (though they do have the option of going to the dojo should they wish, but I digress).

The goal:

We will present our self defense scenario to the intermediate level class. We will then choose a scenario and practice defending against it. Then, during a different class, we will present the scenario to the beginning level class.

The situation should be realistic and plausible. The goal is to teach everyone - including absolute beginners - how to handle a situation that may actually happen to them.

This is a small university town with a lot of parties but very little serious crime, but that's not to say that bad things don't happen here.

Thank you for any thoughts that you share. :)


A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?

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Allhailodin wrote:

Almost all situations can be averted if you carry a gun on you. Someone tries something point it at him and cock it.


This is true, but it can also get you jailed. In addition to protecting our fellow students from harm, we also want to protect ourselves from the law. In the U.S., if you cause significant harm to your attacker then you can be jailed for assault. It seems absurd, but that's the very strange legal reality.

If you shoot someone and it's proven that killing the person was not necessary in order for you to escape then you may be looking at many years in jail. If you don't kill them then you're still looking at charges of "assault with a deadly weapon" or similar charges if it's proven that you didn't need to shoot the attacker.

Any time that you pull a gun you face the risk of the situation escalating to actually using it. Then you're in all kinds of trouble.

It's a sticky situation and I actually encourage gun ownership and gun education (always the education!), but reaching for a gun may cause more problems than you're in to begin with.

edit: Carrying mace or a taser is a good idea, though!
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A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?



Hm we can probably use this scenario or something very similar to it, especially considering that we need to focus a lot on improving our balance (I'm guilty of that myself).

Thanks!
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This is really nice info relating karate. Its helpful for us to prevent from any dangerous and also makes us fit and healthy. This info beneficial for ather visitors also.

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I'll share what I can. I'm not sure if I'll be able to convince one of the guys to work on a video with me, but some situations can definitely be described.

When I get home from work (I'm posting this at 6:30 AM) I'll see about describing one of the situations that we've already covered.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?



Hm we can probably use this scenario or something very similar to it, especially considering that we need to focus a lot on improving our balance (I'm guilty of that myself).

Thanks!


True story. The drunken assailent is lucky the SUV had good brakes and an alert driver or he would have been guilty of Murder. Despite witnesses with cell phones the cops took 3 hours to get there.

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At a university, hm? Well, say you're walking to the bathroom or another certain location and a group of thugs decide to corner you and begin to become physical? How do you defend yourself if you are outnumbered?
Posted 10/6/10

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?



Hm we can probably use this scenario or something very similar to it, especially considering that we need to focus a lot on improving our balance (I'm guilty of that myself).

Thanks!

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True story. The drunken assailent is lucky the SUV had good brakes and an alert driver or he would have been guilty of Murder. Despite witnesses with cell phones the cops took 3 hours to get there.
I think the key factor here is the element for a surprise attack. When the defender was already at a disadvantage, because he/she didn't foreseen this outcome. Unfortunately this has nothing to do with defense technique that can react to predictable human motions, what you need instead are mental readiness, travel in group as oppose to going out alone, and avoid areas with low visibility. Carrying a flashlight could also comes in handy.

A foreseeable lurching attack OTOH is easier to defend than you would think, since the object was already in motion, all you have to do is aim high, low, or go right for the legs, aka the Japanese martial art of Aikido.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?



Hm we can probably use this scenario or something very similar to it, especially considering that we need to focus a lot on improving our balance (I'm guilty of that myself).

Thanks!


You might want to try training in situational awareness too.

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At a university, hm? Well, say you're walking to the bathroom or another certain location and a group of thugs decide to corner you and begin to become physical? How do you defend yourself if you are outnumbered?


OP would easily say, "I put my back against the wall so no one would jumped me from behind. Then, immediately disable whoever is in front of me. Since I'm in the karate class, we have skills where we could defend and attack enemies with one hand."


I really don't like people who got a little exposure in a fighting gym and now they think they know how to fight properly. Everyone has a [fight] plan till they got hit in the face.
Since OP is a karate boy, take out his comfortable fighting stance by tackling him on the ground then ground and pound.

In my case, facing the same scenario, I'll be, "oh crap. oh crap oh crap." I'll curl/shrink to a turtle then defend and protect my face and organs.
I might forget to shout for help. That would suck. =T
Posted 10/6/10

Myskers wrote:

Hello folks,

In our karate class we have been tasked with coming up with real world scenarios in which you will need to defend yourself. We have covered being grabbed from behind or by the shirt collar, getting sucker punched from behind*, and someone (probably a drunk?) throwing a hay maker.

* our sucker punch scenario: Someone grabs your shoulder, yanks you around, and tries to punch you.

Before someone mentions guns, all scenarios related to guns are out of the question. Short of wearing specialized gear and / or having advanced military training, there isn't much that you can do against a gun. If someone pulls a gun on you then you do what they say, or you get shot. It's really that simple.

The setting:

This particular karate class takes place on campus at our university (though they do have the option of going to the dojo should they wish, but I digress).

The goal:

We will present our self defense scenario to the intermediate level class. We will then choose a scenario and practice defending against it. Then, during a different class, we will present the scenario to the beginning level class.

The situation should be realistic and plausible. The goal is to teach everyone - including absolute beginners - how to handle a situation that may actually happen to them.

This is a small university town with a lot of parties but very little serious crime, but that's not to say that bad things don't happen here.

Thank you for any thoughts that you share. :)


Someone tackled you on the ground and either do a kimura or a neck crank on you?
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1. Being sucker punched is often a game over situation. Unless the person misses or has the muscle mass of a 2 year old, one clean hit to the chin or face is lights out, no matter how big you are.

2. The idea of talking about self defense in a karate situation is pretty lol. Karate, like most martial arts classes, won't help you in any real life situation. Fights go along this line: Person throws a punch. Opponent dodges or gets it. One of them will attempt to grapple and get the other person on the floor. Mad rage, which looks like gayness, ensues.

3. For the individuals who claim "Carry a gun, knife, taser, etc", you guys have a higher chance of coming out of your fights unscratched, but you also have a higher chance of facing death. If your opponents know that you possess a weapon of sort, they'll either back down or fight harder (even possibly using your weapon against you) which leads to a higher chance of death compared to just being knocked out.

4. If you're outnumbered, you should basically say "GG". You have only two options at this point: run or get your ass beat. If there is no escape, your best bet is to brace yourself to protect your vital organs and head. If you can run, just run.

5. If you win a fight, congratulations you look cool in front of your friends. Now, try to look cool in front of the judge in your trial for assault and battery.

6. Self defense classes that claim "Only practice this in life or death situations" are bullshit. In life or death situations, you shouldn't even fight. Give the guy holding the knife/gun your Iphone, wallet, and watch. The person mugging your don't want to have to use the gun - it's a scare tactic to keep you from fighting back. Sure, there is a chance you may beat up that person and even send him to prison while you maintain your possession, but you also have a chance of dying in slow and agonizing pain.

7. If someone is angry/crazy enough to want to kill you just for the sake of killing you, again, it is basically good game. Unless luck is on your side where you get the opportunity to run or call for help, you will pretty much die no matter the situation.

8. The only way you can really utilize your "Martial arts moves" is when you're defending someone else and you have the jump. However, at this point, someone who simply knows how to punch will be just as effective as your fancy kung-fu moves.

9. Girls, your chance of getting raped by a mad rapist stranger is slim to none. You should be instead be more worried about your boyfriend or friend raping you. Your self defense moves are moot because a kick to the balls will drop any male instantly.

Tell this to your sensei, who is not very bright and only want his students to fantasize about situations they should not be: Don't carry weapons with you and either avoid fights, run, or brace yourself. Better yet, print this and give it to him.
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At a university, hm? Well, say you're walking to the bathroom or another certain location and a group of thugs decide to corner you and begin to become physical? How do you defend yourself if you are outnumbered?
A group of dangerous-looking, yet highly unorganized individuals, are easy preys for social-psychological manipulation. It's because of this inherent weakness that they relied on the safety in their number, as a predictable defense in the first place. And there lies your defense strategy; identify their weakest member, obliterate that weakest link, then quickly flee from the scene before they could recover from their emotional shock. As for how to identify the weakest individuals in a group, look for the strongest-looking individual. Chances are the weakest individuals will position themselves closely for better protection.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Myskers wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

A bitter drunk ex autoworker who outmasses you by nearly a factor of two lurches out of an alley way and attempts to deliberately throw/push you into traffic?



Hm we can probably use this scenario or something very similar to it, especially considering that we need to focus a lot on improving our balance (I'm guilty of that myself).

Thanks!


You might want to try training in situational awareness too.



Situational awareness is something that we've been working on as well, but I think that reiterating the point, how to look around, and so on is always going to be helpful.

Did that happen to YOU with the car? That's crazy man, I'm glad you're okay if that was you.. or whoever that was.

Three hours. That just blows my mind, but I believe it. Anyway, I digress again.
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