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Impressions on To Aru Majutsu no Index season 2
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I am going to assume that each of your paragraphs was to respond to each of mine. Therefore.

The 1st paragraph of my reply was talking about that Touma did not need to be defeated, but your saying here that oriana needed to be defeated, so I guess its not responding to each of my things, ok.

Dude, if your going to keep using the whole "Since he is a main character, we shouldnt criticize the outcome of what happens", then Im not going to bother continuing to reply back to you. Dont you ever see Forums on who is stronger than who? Why do you think we do this? is it because we simply say "Well since X is the main character, we dont bother imagining what him fighting someone else would be like?" Hell no! Thats the whole point of these discussions....to show the plot holes...the Deus Ex Machinas.....the inprobability of what just happened.

People use logic in all debates on who is stronger.....what should have happened....its obvious dude. Everybody does it. thats why we even have forums in the first place....to discuss what happened in the anime. We arent supposed to simply look at anime without criticizing it or saying we loved it for what we did.

Yes I know the series would end if Touma died. All I am saying (And practically the majority of all anime fans), is that sometimes, the anime does not make any logical sense...(Yes we know that reality logic doesnt go into anime logic perfectly), but it still follows logic.

Ok, since that seems that was your entire response....telling me its an anime and since Touma is the main character....I should simply know right off the bat that he will win everytime. Then this is hopeless.

This is the whole point of debating about characters. No one in any forum that talks about who is stronger would say "Well X is main character, therefore he wins all of them"
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I am going to assume that each of your paragraphs was to respond to each of mine. Therefore.

The 1st paragraph of my reply was talking about that Touma did not need to be defeated, but your saying here that oriana needed to be defeated, so I guess its not responding to each of my things, ok.

Dude, if your going to keep using the whole "Since he is a main character, we shouldnt criticize the outcome of what happens", then Im not going to bother continuing to reply back to you. Dont you ever see Forums on who is stronger than who? Why do you think we do this? is it because we simply say "Well since X is the main character, we dont bother imagining what him fighting someone else would be like?" Hell no! Thats the whole point of these discussions....to show the plot holes...the Deus Ex Machinas.....the inprobability of what just happened.

People use logic in all debates on who is stronger.....what should have happened....its obvious dude. Everybody does it. thats why we even have forums in the first place....to discuss what happened in the anime. We arent supposed to simply look at anime without criticizing it or saying we loved it for what we did.

Yes I know the series would end if Touma died. All I am saying (And practically the majority of all anime fans), is that sometimes, the anime does not make any logical sense...(Yes we know that reality logic doesnt go into anime logic perfectly), but it still follows logic.

Ok, since that seems that was your entire response....telling me its an anime and since Touma is the main character....I should simply know right off the bat that he will win everytime. Then this is hopeless.

This is the whole point of debating about characters. No one in any forum that talks about who is stronger would say "Well X is main character, therefore he wins all of them"


ill exclude the first paragraph...

2nd paragraph we are jumping off the topic of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX season 2. we arent talking about any other anime here. its improbable but it happens because if it didnt happen wat then? how many animes use the most improbable outcomes to continue the story and move the plot often to the next arc?

ill exclude the rest since we covered them already
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Well I'm not gonna sit here and nitpick at every little thing but I will say it didn't quite end the way I had expected although I did still enjoy it. The next arc might not be as good since there will probably be no Misaka or anyone else from academy city.
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I'm actually here for Misaka. and some of her friends and .. a few of the ancillary characters. Touma is likable but rather 'meh' for me and Index herself is downright annoying.

the support characters OTOH rock.

The tortured researcher/pre-school teacher lady from Railgun, I really liked her.
The two anti-skills chicks. Some of Kuroko's friends from Judgment.
The self made girl who was actually some sort of awareness from the imaginary realm brining herself to life. She was cool

Those characters interest me a hella lot more than the main cast.
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I'm actually here for Misaka. and some of her friends and ..


Well, not in this upcoming arc but the one after (if it goes by the novel) Misaka will be appearing a lot. Shes also my Favorite character.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

I'm actually here for Misaka. and some of her friends and .. a few of the ancillary characters. Touma is likable but rather 'meh' for me and Index herself is downright annoying.

the support characters OTOH rock.

The tortured researcher/pre-school teacher lady from Railgun, I really liked her.
The two anti-skills chicks. Some of Kuroko's friends from Judgment.
The self made girl who was actually some sort of awareness from the imaginary realm brining herself to life. She was cool

Those characters interest me a hella lot more than the main cast.

QFT. And don't forget the Accelerator and the MISAKA sisters. Seriousy, I only watch IndexII because they have Railgun characters in it.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

I'm actually here for Misaka. and some of her friends and .. a few of the ancillary characters. Touma is likable but rather 'meh' for me and Index herself is downright annoying.

the support characters OTOH rock.

The tortured researcher/pre-school teacher lady from Railgun, I really liked her.
The two anti-skills chicks. Some of Kuroko's friends from Judgment.
The self made girl who was actually some sort of awareness from the imaginary realm brining herself to life. She was cool

Those characters interest me a hella lot more than the main cast.

QFT. And don't forget the Accelerator and the MISAKA sisters. Seriousy, I only watch IndexII because they have Railgun characters in it.


How could I forget them? (I should have written Misaka in the plural)

Besides accelerator is the classic anime trope: "last season's enemy, this season's friend."

Of course one want's to watch Nanoha to see the trope taken to an art.

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How could I forget them? (I should have written Misaka in the plural)

Besides accelerator is the classic anime trope: "last season's enemy, this season's friend."

Of course one want's to watch Nanoha to see the trope taken to an art.



Foe->Friend stereotype or not, The Accelerator's "You piss me off so I'll kick your ass without breaking a sweat" attitude really gets me.
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I'm not completely satisfied with most of the answers I've seen for the "this makes no sense" rant earlier on... so I'll de-lurk to make my own attempt to answer it.

Re: Oriana getting "falcon punched". There's no doubt Touma can do it - there is plenty of precedent for that. The doubtful element is that Oriana kept trying to use magic to solve her problems. If she had dispensed with the magic and just used her martial arts, she would have easily won. I guess we have to put that down to a tactical error on her part. (sarcasm) I'm sure none of Touma's future opponents will make the same mistake (/sarcasm).

Re: Touma survived. Yeah, main characters do that. But to give a better explanation, perhaps there's more to Touma than just a right arm. Maybe all those fights with Misaka built up his survival instinct to the point that only "level >5" stuff can kill him. Maybe he made his saving throw, and only took half damage. Most likely, Oriana wasn't really trying to kill him, but was just trying to demoralize him with a spectacular effect. Several possibilities exist, I suppose.

Re: The unpredicted fireworks. The nun might have thought the fireworks wouldn't mess up the effects of such a powerful relic. She was wrong. It's not like they had opportunities to practice the whole drill (OK, let's try to seize control of THAT village... and throw in some fireworks to see if that throws it off!).

Re: The trapped plane. I think it must be a translation issue. The sub I read indicated all the planes were trapped, though other subs might have given a different impression. Stiyl spent a lot of time planting stuff on buses before, so perhaps he did it to a bunch of planes as part of that process.

Re: Crazy girl falling out the plane. That scene was plenty strange, yes. I have no defense here. I read the light novel's account of that event, and it STILL didn't make much sense. My best guess is that she was given a choice to save the Cross or the pilot or herself (perhaps even a "choose 2"), but she tried to do all three and failed at all of them.
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There has been no reason or logic that supports why Touma's punches are stronger than every other characters punches in this anime. And yes, if Oriana simply used martial arts against Touma, she should have won, since she was clearly the better fighter, hell she took down Tsuchimikado with rather ease. And of course its a giant error on oriana's part....why would you simply combine every single 1 of your spells against the 1 person who can negate them? It doesnt make sense. Sure he negated it and then the real explosion was after it, but it still doesnt make sense.

Also, that explosion was probably the strongest attack Touma has ever taken....and yet he somehow takes it? Sorry, I call BS. And the whole thing about Touma getting endurance because of his fights....I could say the exact same thing for every single opponent in this anime. They have all been in numerous battles.

And no, the fireworks was just simply a big cop out. Oriana and Lidvia are too smart to simply forget that fireworks can block out the sky. Its common sense. She wasnt surprised that Fireworks could block out the sky....she was surprised that there were any fireworks at all....which implies that she somehow did not know about them.

And I personally dont care about the plane being tracked anymore.

Overall, this show does a poor job at giving fights with a good ending result. Deus Ex Machina at its finest. And a bunch of cop outs
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oh isn't this a popular light novel with a trap? how good is it?
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oh isn't this a popular light novel with a trap? how good is it?


Trap? So far there hasn't been any traps. Its pretty good though. Of course you should start watching with the first season and if you like it you can also try watching To Aru Kagaku no Railgun which centers around another character from the Index series.
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So far I am not a fan of the 2nd season. Although the preview of the next arc at the end of last week's episode offers some promise so we shall see. All I have to say is thank god Stab Sword (lol?) arc is over.
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LelouchKyonConan wrote:

oh isn't this a popular light novel with a trap? how good is it?


Trap? So far there hasn't been any traps. Its pretty good though. Of course you should start watching with the first season and if you like it you can also try watching To Aru Kagaku no Railgun which centers around another character from the Index series.


oh I saw a mention of trap somewhere

but the best trap is hideyoshi!
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There has been no reason or logic that supports why Touma's punches are stronger than every other characters punches in this anime. And yes, if Oriana simply used martial arts against Touma, she should have won, since she was clearly the better fighter, hell she took down Tsuchimikado with rather ease. And of course its a giant error on oriana's part....why would you simply combine every single 1 of your spells against the 1 person who can negate them? It doesnt make sense. Sure he negated it and then the real explosion was after it, but it still doesnt make sense.

Also, that explosion was probably the strongest attack Touma has ever taken....and yet he somehow takes it? Sorry, I call BS. And the whole thing about Touma getting endurance because of his fights....I could say the exact same thing for every single opponent in this anime. They have all been in numerous battles.

And no, the fireworks was just simply a big cop out. Oriana and Lidvia are too smart to simply forget that fireworks can block out the sky. Its common sense. She wasnt surprised that Fireworks could block out the sky....she was surprised that there were any fireworks at all....which implies that she somehow did not know about them.

And I personally dont care about the plane being tracked anymore.

Overall, this show does a poor job at giving fights with a good ending result. Deus Ex Machina at its finest. And a bunch of cop outs


id like to point to my earlier posts on this... there isnt always reason or normal logic behind events in anime. you forget Oriana is HUMAN and punching someone hard enough in the face (the concept of hard enough is not for me to define) can knock one out. i believe that it was oriana's arrogance and overconfidence that was her undoing, clearly outmatching touma is hand to hand but still losing because she underestimated touma ( and the power of shear will).

i believe that the use of all the spell into one super spell was a ploy used by the writers/animators to ensure Oriana didnt have any tricks left in her arsenal that could used later (like to escape). Granted not smart but if it did the job would she care? Granted not learning that touma can stop all spells wasnt smart either but heck... overconfidence. hell not just using something that touma couldnt negate wasnt smart either but thats how it went down.

you dont know that was the greatest spell he had ever taken u dont know how much damage he actually took. all that was known is that up until now Oriana has been a step ahead and with the final battle well underway it needed to end thats how anime and i bet other forms of media from movies to video games end too

i dont think Oriana and Lidvia cared for the celebration only to use the cross. i dont think they even tried to research what events were to take place during the time of that the cross would activate that would hinder its use. ultimately i call human error at its finest

on a side note dont u find it strange that the fireworks started at the same time the cross was to activate? i think someone knew what was to happen and prepared countermeasures in case the worst case
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