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Kill Euphie for Japanese support?

Copyright 2010 M. A. Golding

Some Code Geass fans believe that Lelouch killed Euphemia to gain more Japanese support for his alter ego Zero, and that it was right for him to do so.

The conditions which must be satisfied to justifying killing someone are the same conditions which must be satisfied to justify taking any type of action to achieve a goal

Condition A for justifying taking an action is that the goal or purpose for that action is good enough that some, but not all, actions that could be taken to achieve that goal or purpose are justified.

But an action which satisfies condition A can be justified only if it also satisfies one or more of the four following conditions:

Condition B: The action in question is absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose which satisfies Condition A.

Or:

Condition C1: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would be significantly more difficult than the act in question and might not be doable.

Or:

Condition C2: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would take significantly more time than the act in question and thus might prevent the goal or purpose from being achieved in time.

Or:

Condition C3: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would be too dangerous for the person or persons deciding what actions to take, or too dangerous for another person or persons.

Thus killing a selected individual in order to achieve a purpose or goal can be justified if killing him satisfies Condition A, and also Condition B and/or Condition C1, and/or Condition C2, and/or Condition C3.

Killing a selected and specific person to achieve a goal or purpose can be justified by Condition A if the goal or purpose is good enough AND if it also satisfies one or more of the other conditions.

Condition A: the goal or purpose for that action is good enough that some, but not all, actions that could be taken to achieve that goal or purpose are justified.

I take a very dim view of the idea that political and military goals can ever justify singling out a specific person to kill, that assassination or political murder is ever justified. And I take an ever dimmer view of the idea that killing a minor, such as sixteen-year-old Euphemia, is ever justified by political or military goals that would justify killing an adult.

But some people may believe that it could sometimes be right to target a specific person, even a minor, to kill to increase the probability of success for some cause. They might believe that the cause of preserving the independence of Nation X, or the cause of conquering Nation X as part of unifying the world, was good enough to justify even such a deed. They might believe that the cause of spreading the one true faith, Religion A, all over the world, or the cause of exterminating every follower of the false creed, Religion A, was holy enough to justify any necessary atrocities. They might believe that the total triumph of Political Ideology Y, or the total defeat of Political Ideology Y, was so vital for the future of civilization that even the worst crimes would be justified to achieve that goal.

People who believe that it can sometimes be right to set one’s sights on killing a specific, known individual to gain success for one’s political or military goals will believe that killing Euphemia to gain more Japanese support for Zero can satisfy Condition A, and thus that it could be right, if it also satisfies at least one of the other conditions.

Condition B: The action in question is absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose which satisfies Condition A.

It would be hard to argue that killing Euphemia was absolutely necessary to gain Japanese support for Zero. Zero already had a lot of Japanese support before the Fuji Massacre began, and he did several things on the day of the Fuji Massacre which earned him or gained him a lot of Japanese support, and some things after the Fuji Massacre which gained him a lot of Japanese support. Things like showing up with the Black Knights to defeat the Britannian and save survivors of the Fuji Massacre and leading the march on Tokyo to overthrow Britannian rule of Japan.

Was killing Euphemia necessary to gain as much support as Lelouch gained from doing the other things and also killing Euphemia? Some people may think that doing anything to gain more support for your cause, even treacherously killing a minor who trusts you, is justified because no one can be certain how much support is enough for his cause.

Such people remind me of state governors and other political leaders who let people who have been unjustly convicted by biased courts be executed for fear of losing political support for their party in the next election, who are very little better than murderers themselves.

Lelouch could have captured Euphemia and truthfully told the Japanese he had seen her be taken over by some form of mind control during their private meeting. Then he could lie and say Britannia has been using mind control on individuals a long time and hopes to someday make all numbers mindlessly obedient slaves. Some Britannian leader must have wanted to sabotage the SAZ plan and get rid of Euphemia at the same time.

Then he could truthfully say if Euphemia was innocent by reason of mind control, all the hundreds of Britannian soldiers were guilty of eagerly obeyed her orders to kill without caring how out of character they were. And Britannian soldiers would continue to eagerly obey order after order to massacre until the time, perhaps decades in the future, when Euphemia was cured of her mind control or Britannia managed to find another good and kind high ranking Britannian to start a new SAZ. Would they endure slaughter after slaughter until then, or rise up and overthrow Britannia?

That kind of speech should have roused the Japanese to overthrow Britannian rule in Japan and then attack and overthrow the Britannian government, searching for the high official who had used brainwashing on Euphemia until Lelouch faked evidence against someone he wished to punish -- like Emperor Charles. There would be less danger that the Japanese would be satisfied and stop short of ultimate victory.

The speech might have made Cornelia doubt her government’s friendliness toward her beloved little sister Euphemia, weakening her loyalty during the battle for Tokyo – always a good idea.

And it might have gained Lelouch just as much Japanese support as killing Euphie and making the speech he did make.

Obviously not killing Euphemia could get Lelouch just as much support from the Japanese as killing her. Thus killing Euphemia to gain Japanese support does not satisfy condition B.

What about Conditions C1, C2, and C3?

Condition C1: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would be significantly more difficult than the act in question and might not be doable.

In “Kill Euphie to save her?” I wrote that:

After Euphemia’s knightmare was sliced up by the Slash Harkens of the Gawain she climbed out of the wreckage and was just one unarmed girl facing two powerful Knightmares. How could it have been hard for them to capture her?

So as Euphie crawled out of the wreckage of her knightmare Lelouch and CC should have seen that she would be very easy to capture alive. The only question should have been which knightmare would capture her alive.

Then she could have been transferred to the G1 vehicle for the march on Tokyo. CC could have made Euphie unconscious as CC did Suzaku at Narita, and Euphie could have been tied up and locked up somewhere. Once Tokyo was captured countless thousands of Japanese political prisoners and possibly Japanese ordinary criminals would have been released from prisons and there would have been plenty of emptied cells to put Euphie in.

Lelouch would not have to spend more than a few minutes over several days deciding what to do with Euphie and giving the necessary orders. And after she was locked up in a cell Lelouch could forget about her for weeks until he had time to think about more permanent arrangements.


Killing Euphie does not Satisfy Condition C1.

Condition C2: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would take significantly more time than the act in question and thus might prevent the goal or purpose from being achieved in time.


In “Kill Euphie to Save Her?” I wrote that:

How much time would Lelouch spend capturing Euphie the way described above? As I said, he would have spent about as much time as he spent killing her, and then would have had to spend a minute or two deciding what to do with her a few times over the next few days until she was safely locked up in some cell and he wouldn’t have to consider more permanent arrangement for several weeks or so.

Lelouch would not have to spend much time capturing Euphie and keeping her prisoner.

Since he could have captured her before he killed her, he could have captured her soon enough to achieve anything that he killed her soon enough to achieve.

Killing Euphemia does not satisfy condition C2.


Condition C3: The action in question is not absolutely necessary to achieve the goal or purpose, but other and less extreme alternatives would be too dangerous for the person or persons deciding what actions to take, or too dangerous for another person or persons.

In “Kill Euphie to save Her?” I wrote that:

Would it have been too dangerous for Lelouch to not kill Euphemia? In “Kill Euphie to Save the Japanese” I pointed out that it was more dangerous for Lelouch to kill Euphie by treacherously shooting her and risking that she would shoot him back than it would have been to simply pick her up in a giant robot hand as soon as she crawled out of the wreckage of her knightmare.

Would it have been too dangerous for Japanese people to not kill Euphie?

I demonstrated in “Kill Euphie to Save the Japanese” that capturing Euphie as soon as her knightmare was destroyed would have been a lot safer for any nearby Japanese people than letting her pick up a machine gun before Lelouch shot her. Capturing Euphemia and using her as hostage to stop the Fuji Massacre might have saved tens or hundreds or thousands of Japanese lives. And if Euphie was securely confined she would have so slight a chance of ever killing another Japanese person that anyone who would kill her to prevent such a slight chance might as well kill every newborn Japanese baby to prevent the slight chance that he might grow up to kill a Japanese person in the future.

And of course not killing Euphie would have been safer for Euphie, not more dangerous for her, than killing her.


Killing Euphemia does not satisfy condition C3.

And so killing Euphemia does not satisfy the conditions for killing her to gain more Japanese support for Zero and the Black Knights.

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japanese support? no, more like wanker and fantard support.

i hate lelouch
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