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Greatest American cartoon?
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Well one thats because most american cartoons are all comdey or kidy grade action. That is why america keeps makeing cartoons and nothing anime. Really amercain justice league and avatar,thundercats,human of the cartoons i have seen the closest to what i consider anime. Altough avatar is alright sometimes but no where near one of americas greats cartoons.
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For the longest time America was only able to view animation as children's entertainment. The people making this entertainment were adults and inevitably the things they enjoy (character development, action, storyline, etc.) started to manifest which is why shows like Thundercats were so good in their time.

Over the years, thanks to shows like the Simpsons, King of the Hill, and now Family Guy, animation is no longer viewed strictly as children's entertainment in America - it has been upgraded to be acceptable as comedy on par with your average mindless sitcom. Personally, I think shows like Family Guy have more content than the sitcom flavor of the minute, but that's not the general American consensus.

I don't know if American animation will ever be on par with anime as far as content goes. Technology wise, Disney's been ahead of the game for a long time, too bad they rarely do anything innovative with it until quite recently.

Will American's accept animation as mainstream entertainment for things aside from children's shows and sitcoms? It's going to take a pretty extreme jump for that too happen, but I beleive it's possible. Likely? That all depends on what animation they're exposed to. Currently, the vast majority of animation targeted at mature audiences shown in america is anime like cowboy bebop. New generations of americans have been exposed to it and it will eventually start to show up in the animation they produce. How many people working for Disney do you think are anime fans? I'd venture to say quite a few based on Atlantis and Lilo and Stitch, which are both very much like anime.

I think its possible for american animation to be as serious taken as anime, but its unlikely since most people are either incapable or unwilling to view at is anythign aside from comedy - and also on the part of many anime fans unwilling to accept it since it isn't japanese.
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well i guess i have to agree with you there. i have also notice gameing to start to step out onto the mainstream more and more lately. So hopefully gameing pulls more rpgs and they pull anime with them. is what i thought when i read you post.
Posted 11/12/06
It's true that the Western animation was different in Japanese animation. But there still a good cartoon that I really like, Spiderman and I hope Witch will have an animation episodes, though it was in a Magazine.
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People also need to realize that even in Japan, anime is recognized as children's entertainment (for the most part). If you are a Japanese adult and begin talking about how much you love anime, you will get just about the same response as if you were in America and talking about it (sometimes worse; people in America will assume you have a strange hobby - people in Japan have a much more negative view towards it).

Also, there is a difference in popularity with manga and anime in Japan. Manga is much more successful than anime. The more popular manga is made into anime and the anime rarely does better than the manga.
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Based on my experiences and observations in Japan I would say thats true for the most part. Manga is pretty much more popular than anime. Bookstores are loaded with it, sometimes rivaling their traditional books. It's pretty common to see someone reading a manga and it could be pretty much any age group. Actual anime didn't seem quite as popular though. I rarely saw it on TV, and when I did it was very mainstream stuff like Naruto or Bleach.

Beleive it or not, it's easier (and cheaper) to get anime on DVD here in the states than it is over there. The stores that sell it tend to focus on the popular stuff and (in general) have a very limited selection, and I was visiting their equivelant of what would be a Barnes and Nobles and their department stores. The only places I could find a good selection were adult bookstores. Now I wasn't in Tokyo, let alone Akibahara (sp?), so what I saw was probably more indicitive of japanese culture.

I think there is alot of misconception with just how popular anime actually is over there. It is definitley popular and alot of it is considered mainstream, but the hardcore fans are unquestionably looked down on as they are here in the west.

I'd probably compare it to how video games are looked at in america - there is nothing nerdy about owning a gaming system playing madden, grand theft auto or the occasional game of Halo, but when you start playing outside the mainstream you'll be frowned upon by non-gamer/geek friends. Just like there is nothing wrong with watching a primetime anime or catching the latest miyazaki movie, but venture to far outside of that you're in trouble. Of course, video game culture in japan is a totaly different situation best saved for another time...
Posted 11/12/06
gargoyles was SO awesome.

drawn together, simpsons, south park, family guy, american dad are all great (simpsons less now) and futurama is getting new episodes!

spiderman, xmen, ninja turtles, he-man as a kid, all those old classics. thundercats.w hat we almost all grew up with (some of the younger kids might not remember)

the old wb cartoons, freakzoid, animaniacs, pinky and the brain. cow anc chicken, ed edd and eddie used to own, the first 2 seasons of johnny bravo, dexters lab, powerpuff girls, hehe. darkwing duck!

and ofcourse the old classics like looney toons and stuff. i have a crapload of themes on my computer
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well there's a reason for this redgarnet, japanese adults who are into anime take it to the extreme, these are the guys that cosplay at comic markets, and live like slobs, cant socialize or anything of the sort. Gainax ridiculed their lifestyle and made harsh comments on otaku lovelife in Otaku no Video in 1991.
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You could also see another example of what the japanese adult Otakus are like in Densha otoko which was uploaded by BasouKazuma I beleive and Its HERE. WATCH IT NOW!!!

Gargoyles was awesome around the time they were in Avalon.
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Hmmmm....gargoyles was alright at the time...when I was little I used to wake up at 5am to watch Iron man....they had warmachine in there too. was kewl. I dont think many people saw it.

cartoons I really didn't enjoy was something along the lines with carebears, gummy bears, my little pony, and pound puppies.. For gummy bears....who the hell heard of drinking a potion that would allow you to bounce off your bottom? Ummm...gummy power? idk weird stuff.
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Asndrgn wrote:

cartoons I really didn't enjoy was something along the lines with carebears, gummy bears, my little pony, and pound puppies.. For gummy bears....who the hell heard of drinking a potion that would allow you to bounce off your bottom? Ummm...gummy power? idk weird stuff.


Personally, I think they had Red Bull and Vodkas. Not only does it get you drunk, it gets you hyper as well. Have enough and you'll be bouncing off the walls.
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care bears were the shit!
Care bear cousins were gay though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyc_m64pXE0
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azrael910 wrote:
I think there is alot of misconception with just how popular anime actually is over there. It is definitley popular and alot of it is considered mainstream, but the hardcore fans are unquestionably looked down on as they are here in the west.


Anime is hardly mainstream in Japan. It's more popular in America, but have you seen Japanese DVD sales of anime? The average Japanese person may know the latest Miyazaki release but will not know anything if you started listing off your entire favorites list.


cbisram wrote:

well there's a reason for this redgarnet, japanese adults who are into anime take it to the extreme, these are the guys that cosplay at comic markets, and live like slobs, cant socialize or anything of the sort. Gainax ridiculed their lifestyle and made harsh comments on otaku lovelife in Otaku no Video in 1991.


Agreed. I thought that was pretty common knowledge considering the popularity of people criticizing the word "otaku" over the Internet. A lot of otakus don't admit to others that they are otakus.
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azrael910 wrote:
I think there is alot of misconception with just how popular anime actually is over there. It is definitley popular and alot of it is considered mainstream, but the hardcore fans are unquestionably looked down on as they are here in the west.


Anime is hardly mainstream in Japan. It's more popular in America, but have you seen Japanese DVD sales of anime? The average Japanese person may know the latest Miyazaki release but will not know anything if you started listing off your entire favorites list.



No, anime is mainstream entertainment as that major shows are successful and shown in primetime slots on major channels. I'm talking about shows like Naruto, Bleach, and Gundam. Just as in america, most viewers for anime like this tend to be junior high to college age.

I don't think too many japanese people are interested in picking them up on DVD thanks to how ungodly expensive they are though, and why bother when you can follow them on tv just as easily? I think american's are more inclined to purchase anime on DVD since thats one of the few ways to enjoy anime uncut and in japanese, especially if you happen to enjoy shows that aren't likely to be on cartoon network. Also anime doesn't quite have the negative conotation over here as it does there. It's still a geeky thing to be into, but it's more acceptable than say Star Trek or Dungeons and Dragons.

Now I think it would be fair to say that niche animes like alot of those followed by the US anime fan culture (i.e. any harem type anime) are very similar to their japanese following. These lack the prime time slots of more popular shows, but they are still shown on TV. There is a hardcore fan culture that enjoys them but few people outside of that are interested in them, and enjoying them usually carries a negative conotation.

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The Simpsons.

No matter how much the new stuff let me down, don't deny it didn't pave the way for a lot of new classics.
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