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Anime Cliches - Things you are tired of seeing in anime
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Posted 2/9/12

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--the "lone wolf" who's so impossibly lone-wolf-cool that he can't even work with the main hero group despite both teams -knowing- they have virtually identical goals.



This drives you batty? So why is it that you have one of these characters as your avatar?

In any case, your list is quite enormous. If all of that really drives you nuts (and more), maybe you should smoke a bowl before you watch anime. . .



I can only think of two things right now that really bother me at times.

First is the main character of almost every anime repeatedly stating that they must protect (insert-name-here). It gets tiring to listen to after a while.

Second is that half the run-time of most anime takes place in a high school. I'm really tired of seeing this constantly. Of course the target audience for most of these shows is students in high school and younger, so I guess I'm pretty much SOL.

For both of these the main problem is the incredible frequency of it. It wouldn't bother me much if these only happened as often any single one of your examples.
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--the "lone wolf" who's so impossibly lone-wolf-cool that he can't even work with the main hero group despite both teams -knowing- they have virtually identical goals.
This drives you batty? So why is it that you have one of these characters as your avatar?


have you actually watched kenshin? saitou -does- work with them when need be. and most of the time he works apart fro, them because his goals aren't the same.

i mean the characters that are like "no! i will defeat you first, because only i am allowed to defeat mr. bigbad!!"
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When Saitou and Kenshin (and Sanosuke) go to defeat Shishio, Saitou spends as little time as possible with Kenshin. He doesn't want Kenshin's softness to get in the way. They were both there to accomplish the same thing, but other than just walking around he didn't do anything with Kenshin. It's not even like he told Kenshin that he planned on diving in during the fight for a quick (attempted) kill.

So tell me what other goals Saitou had in mind. Or are you referring to something else in the series? Perhaps something in the last third of the series, since none of that arc was good enough to be memorable. Also, how does just walking around together count as cooperation?
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eh, i don't think saitou really appeared much in the final 1/3rd. hey all wandered off to stupidland and had stupidland adventures there.

anyway maybe they aren't entirely working together.
but my point is more for those anti-social "heroes" who are actively working AGAINST each other to prevent the other from accomplishing exactly the same thing they want to, when there's no reasonable reason to fight.

ie; working against the other team at a track & field competition makes sense.
but imagine if aragorn and frodo got in a big fight over who got to destroy the ring? (yea sorry, can't think of an anime example right off the top of my head)
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Posted 2/15/12 , edited 2/15/12

youwannaroll wrote:

eh, i don't think saitou really appeared much in the final 1/3rd. hey all wandered off to stupidland and had stupidland adventures there.

anyway maybe they aren't entirely working together.
but my point is more for those anti-social "heroes" who are actively working AGAINST each other to prevent the other from accomplishing exactly the same thing they want to, when there's no reasonable reason to fight.

ie; working against the other team at a track & field competition makes sense.
but imagine if aragorn and frodo got in a big fight over who got to destroy the ring? (yea sorry, can't think of an anime example right off the top of my head)


Saito may be the Wolf of Mibu but I personally do not classify him as the cliche lone wolf we often see in anime. To me, a lone wolf is a character who, for the majority of the series, does not pick a side, but rather creates his own so he can fight both sides just to slow the story down. These characters come off as wishy-washy or indecisive.

Saito is quite different. He is always firm in his decisions and loyal to the side he chooses. We can see by him previously being a member of the shogunate's shinsengumi and later a member of the Meiji police that his loyalty has always been to his country while Kenshin's loyalty is more to the people. Both of their loyalties are pretty much the same thing which is why we always see them fighting on the same side. I do not believe that Saito ever actually thought of Kenshin as an enemy. However, since his enemies have always been and always will be that of Japan's, I do think that Saito did see Hitokiri Battosai as the undefeated enemy of his country's past. Even Kenshin himself sees his inner Hitokiri as an enemy. Saito only sees Kenshin as a softy, nothing more.

Unlike anime's usual lone wolf, Saito is a team player. He was a team player with the shinsengumi, the Meiji police (more so in the manga), and Kenshin on several occasions (also more so in the manga). Aoshi was more of a lone wolf if you ask me, especially during the Kyoto arc.

I love you example by the way. That's hilarious! I love LOTR. Anyway, in my opinion, I think the perfect example of a cliche lone wolf in an anime would be Sesshomaru from Inuyasha. If Sesshomaru had just joined Inuyasha's team from the start, Naraku probably could have been defeated a million times over by the end of the series.

Also, I do not think that labeling something as cliche automatically makes it bad (which I believe is the impression I think that most people got from your original post). Because like you said, "all stories have cliches present in them to some extent (or something like that)" and therefore cannot be avoided. I agree but I think however that certain things can be unoriginal but at the same time still be good. I may consider Sesshomaru a cliche, but he is still hands down my favorite Inuyasha character. I believe that sometimes originality comes from altering certain aspects of one or more cliches. For example, vampires are a cliche that have been overused to no end, but people still enjoy them because each vampire story is, in a way, an original take on the vampire cliche. There are also some cliches that people just love having in their stories (like vampires). Overall, originality is only one aspect of judging whether or not you like something and I do not think by any means that you believe the presence of one or more of these cliches automatically condemns an anime to sucking, just that the more prevalent these cliches are in an anime, the more degraded your opinion of the anime will be. I hope I paraphrased everything well enough. I know for a fact that you do not hate anime because you are a member of CR.

By the way, if you have watched the Rurouni Kenshin anime and have yet to read the manga, I highly recommend doing so. The story following the Kyoto arc is very exciting. Way better than the anime's crap filler.
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Posted 2/15/12 , edited 2/15/12

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OMG!! THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT!!
that was exactly my point about the "lone wolf" type bloody annoying cliche characters.
not to say i hate all lone wolves; just the ones that seem to be written exclusively to drag out the story while deliberately avoiding every logical reason for them to do exactly the opposite.

mind you, i still have yet to see more than about 10 eps of Inuyasha...

and i agree; "cliche" isn't automatically bad... it's all in how it's written.
cliches -became- cliches precisely because they've been used so many times in the past and start to get recognized as similar. and with the amount of fiction media this world has produce, especially just in the last 200 years or so, it's almost impossible to make something completely new and original. it's more a matter of finding a new and interesting way of doing it.

i'm pretty sure i mentioned Lyrical Nanoha in a previous post as being composed of a great many cliches.... and yet, i really love the storyline of it anyways. and lets not get into Bleach, Naruto and One Piece. the amount of cliches there is staggering, and yet each of those series is so popular they're all in the 350+ episode range.

*adds* yea, i do need to read a LOT of series' manga originals. but i've just got so much animation to go thru as well, and nothing really convenient to read manga with. probably if/when i get a tablet, i'll be reading a lot more manga.
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Terry Bogard must've teamed up with Lelouch to evict that person out of Crunchyroll forums whoever said "everything".

as for the topic
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This is my fight, I got into this mess. You stay out of it.
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When it's the last episode, and a character is leaving or "dying" and then at the veeerrrrryyy last minute of the episode the character that left or died shows up again like "lol jk I'm baaack" and everyone's happy.
THE END

that pisses me off
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When it's the last episode, and a character is leaving or "dying" and then at the veeerrrrryyy last minute of the episode the character that left or died shows up again like "lol jk I'm baaack" and everyone's happy.
THE END

that pisses me off
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papi_churros wrote:


denshiraku wrote:

When it's the last episode, and a character is leaving or "dying" and then at the veeerrrrryyy last minute of the episode the character that left or died shows up again like "lol jk I'm baaack" and everyone's happy.
THE END

that pisses me off


Yeah that and

and also a couple of other shows I can't remember the names of right now
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The only cliche I cant stand (well theres 2 but they go hand in hand) is the standard dweeby guy that "accidentally" gropes women and falls all over them but never has the courage to say "Hey, let's have sex in the gym storage room." and the girl he almost (very rarely doesn't) always ends up with is always 1 dumb, 2 big breasted, 3 can't cook, 4 dumb, 5 eats an ungodly sum of food at each sitting, oh and 6 in case I forgot to mention it dumb, oh wait i think theres actually one more; 7 HUGE BOOBS. I can't stand either of those cliched character types.
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The only cliche that I really, really can't stand is people complaining about cliches in anime!

Tropes exist for a reason, their mere existence doesn't make a story bad!
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same voices, same characters personalities and the same plot
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