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I looked up a couple other titles from this season and older seasons and none of them published by Kadokawa had the availability note, only strike witches. Omamori Himari for example originally said when it came out "will be removed after 30 days of last episode", and it's still there. Strike Witches is probably one of those shows however, that since it was picked up already by a NA distributor that it will be taken down as long as Funimation says so.

I've seen that message before, and that title is still playable months and months after the last ep aired... and not all Kadokawa uploads have that message on the titles page.... and sora no otoshimono first season is gone so I'm sure there is some truth in that for some titles.

Maybe the point of removing it after 30 days is to get people to buy the DVD if it's licensed... I only buy things though if I've seen it all the way through and it was really really good... I don't have a lot of extra money to spend... really what it means is that I have to write down in my database what shows are going to expire... although I have already seen or am watching all kadokawa releases on CR as they come out... so yeah >.>

@thehinac - funimation is supposed to be doing a major site upgrade soon, they snuck in an "ad contest" for the new site and stuck it on their blog and I think was at NYAF... the thing that I saw horribly absent from the flyer though, which had all sorts of things listed, was "HD content"... if they don't stream HD I'm not paying them lol... their stream quality is one of their worst features right now.

@CecilTheDarkKnight_234 - some people think bluray is expensive here in the states and what not... I can't even imagine how much you must spend on importing them lol... prices on DVD's and what not in Japan is insane... I used to import a lot of character goods when I had a better job before I went back to school... I spent loads and loads of cash.
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I 100% agree. and what you said about the 1 to 3 years funi sits on what it buys. I blow way to much money on anime products, but really prefer supporting legally, and do when available. About to buy something off of amazon.co.jp.
But, when unavailable.... I sometimes have to resort to gray area tactics.
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@dokudokugwo - You would think funimation would put in some adds that relate to people that watch anime. Crunchyroll may do only anime but I've been surprised how much I actually click the adds on Crunchyroll. I even ended up buying that game Y's Seven they promoted. It was a great game too. My opinion is if they actually advertise to the people watching, they could probably make enough money on the anime adds to give us what we want and thats HD content.
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thehinac wrote:

@dokudokugwo - You would think funimation would put in some adds that relate to people that watch anime. Crunchyroll may do only anime but I've been surprised how much I actually click the adds on Crunchyroll. I even ended up buying that game Y's Seven they promoted. It was a great game too. My opinion is if they actually advertise to the people watching, they could probably make enough money on the anime adds to give us what we want and thats HD content.


Well I'm hoping their membership will bring HD content... but as I said it was absent from the flier for their updated site... their whole site is a bloody mess and is badly in need of an update... I just don't think they listen to what fans want and just force upon us whatever direction they think the anime industry in the US should be moving in... while other companies like CR and Sentai filmworks are doing the opposite... I've been saying for years how badly I want to see subbed only box sets released within a few months of licensing, so far only one company has done that, and CR was first with bringing us an experience as if we were living in Japan paying for a cable TV subscription and letting us watch shows as they air, or pretty close to it. Streaming in many ways is a preview for buying the DVD or character merch, cd's etc... but I still don't think that's any excuse for poor quality streams with a website that looks like it was designed by a 4 year old. I find CR's site to be laid out well and easy enough to find what you want... Funi needs to upgrade from DOS to Windows 7... thanks to kami-sama for Crunchyroll, I'd still be torrenting like crazy without it.

Streaming is also pretty much what I can afford right now, so I'd love to see all titles every season legally streamed so I can at least feel like I'm supporting the industry 100%... as it is now I have a membership here, and at AN, and could afford one with Funi as well, as long as it's worth it.

Back on topic... about the whole 30 day thing... I can't say I like it since it chips away at would be catalog titles... I would hope the 30 days would only apply to titles that get picked up by someone else. Although it seems that Kadokawa, whoever is behind Fairy Tail, and those at SHAFT are the only ones who aren't fully on-board with streaming, or at least see some reason as to why a title shouldn't be streamed at all, or only have limited availability.
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Nyarth wrote:


Availability Notes: All kadokawa titles will be removed 30 days after the airing of the last episode.


This may be worrying...



I think this is an old note that was not removed. CR has a new relationship with KP. Other series are still there way beyond 30 days. It should say something like KP reserves the right to remove.... in my opinion but hey what do I know
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Nyarth wrote:


Availability Notes: All kadokawa titles will be removed 30 days after the airing of the last episode.


This may be worrying...



Yes i also saw this... But maybe now this 'rule' no longer applies? I still see all the videos there..
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dokudokugwo wrote:

I looked up a couple other titles from this season and older seasons and none of them published by Kadokawa had the availability note, only strike witches. Omamori Himari for example originally said when it came out "will be removed after 30 days of last episode", and it's still there. Strike Witches is probably one of those shows however, that since it was picked up already by a NA distributor that it will be taken down as long as Funimation says so.

Actually, Omamori Himari was pulled 30 days after the last episode, although it was returned later.

I expect this will be the cycle with Kadokawa titles. If they have already been licensed for DVD distribution (like Strike Witches 2 and the first Sora no Otoshimono series), they will go away for good, while if not, they will be gone for a while, and then return.

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blue-y wrote:


Nyarth wrote:


Availability Notes: All kadokawa titles will be removed 30 days after the airing of the last episode.


This may be worrying...



Yes i also saw this... But maybe now this 'rule' no longer applies? I still see all the videos there..


The last episode aired on September 22nd, meaning the videos should disappear next Friday.

Though looking at other people's posts, it seems Kadokawa/CR hasn't taken up their promise to decommission series which planned to be gone in 30 days after the final episode comes out. Not that it actually matters or anything.
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dokudokugwo wrote: Maybe the point of removing it after 30 days is to get people to buy the DVD if it's licensed...


Rather, the point is that if a North American DVD distributor licenses it, they'll want to license the whole thing: broadcast rights, streaming rights, in addition to DVD rights. Japanese media works on unbundled rights, with international right one of the bits and pieces that can be distributed different ways in different production committees ... and American media works on bundled rights. So the Japanese have become accustomed to selling all rights for a specific region to a single licensee in that region ...
... which is anyway easier for them.

The "30 days after" lets them keep doing that: they sell streaming right to Crunchy for the season and 30 days after, and then if someone picks up the license, their rights start 31 days after the season ended, and they get the whole bundle of rights as normal. No need to change the terms of contracts everyone is used to, just set the start date so that the previous rights have expired.

If the North American (and UK and Australian and etc.) DVD distributors pass, better to leave it on Crunchy picking up some royalties than get nothing at all from overseas, so they'd renew the streaming license ~ and since there's no extra fixed cost to them at that point, they can do that on a pure royalty per view basis.

However only if the DVD distributor passes. If the title is even under negotiation, they won't renew the stream, because at this point in time, a DVD license is still worth much more than the royalties a catalog title will receive.


dokudokugwo wrote: Back on topic... about the whole 30 day thing... I can't say I like it since it chips away at would be catalog titles... I would hope the 30 days would only apply to titles that get picked up by someone else.
Bear in mind that they will take it down even if the rights are only in negotiation, with no certainty of striking a deal. They will not close off signing a DVD deal until they are sure that everyone has passed.


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I think you missed the point.
But, for the moot] point of interest.
I'm currently watching a series on funimation thats paused for the moment, if it was a little better of an anime I'd be torrenting it now, and watching something else because of the streaming quality is horrible. But from a personal stand point every series that crunchyroll has started but then later it was licensed in the middle, I just downloaded the rest. How ever if the licenser said he crunchy you can pay per click the rest until the dvd releases, I would have paid to watch the rest to help support it legally. But, instead I paypal'ed to hotfile instead to download it.

The point was, suck every dollar you can while you currently have people viewing. So, theres not a gap in the market where money could be coming in.
On this, remember that the if Funimation now owns the rights, Kadokawa can't renew the stream, at least not for North America. So that would have to be a new contract between Funimation and Crunchyroll. The odds are the lawyers will charge more to look over the contract than the streams would bring in for the gap ... and anyway, the next deal directly between Funimation and Crunchryoll will be the first.

The reason why the stream can just be renewed if the DVD distributors pass on it is that then Kadokawa Pictures has not sold the rights off to someone else, so they are free to renew the stream. That's just an extension of an existing contract under the existing terms and likely does not require much in the way of due diligence.
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thanks crunchyroll i was planning to watch this after tegami bachi
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mehh.......still not in germanyyy
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The point was, suck every dollar you can while you currently have people viewing. So, theres not a gap in the market where money could be coming in.
On this, remember that the if Funimation now owns the rights, Kadokawa can't renew the stream, at least not for North America. So that would have to be a new contract between Funimation and Crunchyroll. The odds are the lawyers will charge more to look over the contract than the streams would bring in for the gap ... and anyway, the next deal directly between Funimation and Crunchryoll will be the first.

Explain Linebarrels of Iron... streaming on Funimation and on Crunchyroll... was here before funimation picked it up. By your reasoning that means CR signed a deal with Funi to stream it after Funi picked it up... or things don't work the way you said and Kadokawa is rather just interested in having a single point of US distribution even though they, like other companies, retain to the right to sell their product to multiple companies for distribution in the same region. Or Funimation didn't demand exclusive rights on that title... Or they signed the deal that does not exist... Or demon king daimo... licensed to two streaming sites at the same time, one of which I'm sure acquired DVD rights.

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I'm not trying to be a jerk either or anything... I've had an amazingly bad day but still want to respond since this is an interesting topic... all the terms and arrangements that have to be made just to pick up an anime.... so forgive me if my statements come off short and... sassy.. lol... sassy.
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