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Girl, 4, shot dead by sister, 8, during accident in Arizona desert
Posted 10/25/10
A FOUR-year-old girl was accidentally shot dead in the Arizona desert by her eight-year-old sister.

The older girl was target-shooting with a .22 caliber firearm about 10.30am local time yesterday in a remote area between Wickenburg and Morristown, northwest of Phoenix, when her younger sister darted in front of her and was shot in the head

Police said the siblings were with their parents and another family of two children and a parent at the time of the shooting.

The incident was being investigated as an accidental shooting, police said

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/girl-4-shot-dead-by-sister-8-during-accident-in-arizona-deser
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so what are your thoughts/opinions on this news story? In my opinion could the parents been any more stupid?
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Well, children are quick when it comes to be somewhere they're not supposed to be, and it's absolutely possible that the little sister suddenly felt like running and had to suffer the consequences.
Still, it's IRRESPONSIBLE of the parents to let their kids loose and let them play with toy guns, oops, pardon, real guns. It's like when you're walking on the side walk with your four year old child, what do you do? You hold her hands to be sure that she won't suddenly jump into the streets.
I'd actually opt for an imprisonment of the parents and the surviving child be taken away, but on the other hand I think losing their child due to their own mistake is enough punishment, unless they're now going to take it out on their older daughter (seriously, I wouldn't want to be the girl..she must feel terrific)
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I just don't get it.


What is it with America and security when it comes to weapons? It is practically nonexistent. Feels like 99% of weapon accidents that happen with civilians happens in America.
Posted 10/25/10

AHTL wrote:

I just don't get it.


What is it with America and security when it comes to weapons? It is practically nonexistent. Feels like 99% of weapon accidents that happen with civilians happens in America.


it has to do with the constant state of fear that "our" media keeps us in and most think that weapons are the only way to feel safe. I love guns but only to hunt and maybe in some sort of self-defense in case that was ever to happen, but i do not think a 4 or even a year old girl should be playing with some so dangerous. It also has do with the 2nd amendment on our bill of rights "the right to bear arms".
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The right to bear arms has nothing to do with stupidity and child neglect though.
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The right to bear arms has nothing to do with stupidity and child neglect though.


i agree, but trying telling that to hardcore rednecks.
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Well, this is no different from parents who let their little kids play without supervision in the swimming pool. Just in this instance it sounds so extreme because the kid got accidentally (which is still unsure) killed by her own sibling and that with a gun, an object that one wouldn't think to see in a child's hands.
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Posted 10/25/10

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


AHTL wrote:

I just don't get it.


What is it with America and security when it comes to weapons? It is practically nonexistent. Feels like 99% of weapon accidents that happen with civilians happens in America.


it has to do with the constant state of fear that "our" media keeps us in and most think that weapons are the only way to feel safe. I love guns but only to hunt and maybe in some sort of self-defense in case that was ever to happen, but i do not think a 4 or even a year old girl should be playing with some so dangerous. It also has do with the 2nd amendment on our bill of rights "the right to bear arms".


Doesn't really explain the massive lack of security/child neglect. :|
Posted 10/25/10

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


AHTL wrote:

I just don't get it.


What is it with America and security when it comes to weapons? It is practically nonexistent. Feels like 99% of weapon accidents that happen with civilians happens in America.


it has to do with the constant state of fear that "our" media keeps us in and most think that weapons are the only way to feel safe. I love guns but only to hunt and maybe in some sort of self-defense in case that was ever to happen, but i do not think a 4 or even a year old girl should be playing with some so dangerous. It also has do with the 2nd amendment on our bill of rights "the right to bear arms".


Doesn't really explain the massive lack of security/child neglect. :|


done bumping for while but it simply people are STUPID
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I can see the benefits of teaching a child how to handle arms safely at an early age, their ability to deal with arms and the armed will be second nature in later stages of life. Though all risk comes with consequence in pursuit of risk, only in hindsight is it dumb.
We hear about these incidents and are quick to condemn the people involved, but fact of the matter is it happens because many instances in the past have been conducted safely. Probably so much more often that the risk involved seems dismissible to these parents.
Must have been a gruesome day for that family
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If it was me;

- I wouldn't let them touch a weapon at least before they are 12
- I would make them REALLY understand the consequences of guns
- Drill into their heads that aiming at others will not happen
- Not let them handle one without supervising it, even if it was empty


I'm quick to judge any family that has had an shooting incident where their child (or children) were involved. It is so irresponsible that I don't know how to express it.
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I don't understand the whole guns thing anyway. People who say "it is the only way to fell/be safe" look up the stats. You will find far, far more people are killed or injured with their own gun than by, say, a robber breaking in and shooting you. The 2nd amendment is outdated, as far as I am concerned, they could not have imagined the kind of weapons we have now, or just how much internal violence is done with them.
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Posted 10/25/10

AHTL wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


AHTL wrote:

I just don't get it.


What is it with America and security when it comes to weapons? It is practically nonexistent. Feels like 99% of weapon accidents that happen with civilians happens in America.


it has to do with the constant state of fear that "our" media keeps us in and most think that weapons are the only way to feel safe. I love guns but only to hunt and maybe in some sort of self-defense in case that was ever to happen, but i do not think a 4 or even a year old girl should be playing with some so dangerous. It also has do with the 2nd amendment on our bill of rights "the right to bear arms".


Doesn't really explain the massive lack of security/child neglect. :|




Try telling that to south america and Africa. I'd opt for our weapon accidents compared to the suffering and crime they have to deal with. Hard to label all of America as a lack of security/child neglect when there is far worse places out there. Dont get me wrong I'd never walk in certain parts of Cincinnati due to the violence and shootings but thats a far cry from lack of security and child neglect when those are just gang wars/drug wars
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My question is





Where'd she get the gun?
Posted 10/25/10
I once heard a story about a special type of crossbow that was being tested; - it was some kind of an automatic, barbed metal bolt, used to punch through thick metal. Well, the son of one of the men testing on it grabbed it, and the father just started showing him how it works...Guess what happened in the end...

This thing was made to punch through STEEL. Thick steel at that. Think of a soft human body..

Ahem. Anyways, it's stupid. I'm 16, and I still don't like using guns around people. Accidents can, and will, happen. Safety first, zombie killing after!
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