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Girl, 4, shot dead by sister, 8, during accident in Arizona desert
Posted 10/25/10

Byzantine279 wrote:

I don't understand the whole guns thing anyway. People who say "it is the only way to fell/be safe" look up the stats. You will find far, far more people are killed or injured with their own gun than by, say, a robber breaking in and shooting you. The 2nd amendment is outdated, as far as I am concerned, they could not have imagined the kind of weapons we have now, or just how much internal violence is done with them.


That's due to ignorance. The stats are high because people are too negligent when it comes to using guns.
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Byzantine279 wrote:

I don't understand the whole guns thing anyway. People who say "it is the only way to fell/be safe" look up the stats. You will find far, far more people are killed or injured with their own gun than by, say, a robber breaking in and shooting you. The 2nd amendment is outdated, as far as I am concerned, they could not have imagined the kind of weapons we have now, or just how much internal violence is done with them.


That's due to ignorance. The stats are high because people are too negligent when it comes to using guns.


Pretty much, everyone always thinks that could never happen with me or my family until it happens. So when they are in that state of mind there not gonna bother putting any safety procedures into place. I mean why would they it couldn't possible happen to them.
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Posted 10/25/10
fail parenting
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Posted 10/26/10

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Try telling that to south america and Africa. I'd opt for our weapon accidents compared to the suffering and crime they have to deal with. Hard to label all of America as a lack of security/child neglect when there is far worse places out there. Dont get me wrong I'd never walk in certain parts of Cincinnati due to the violence and shootings but thats a far cry from lack of security and child neglect when those are just gang wars/drug wars


South America and Africa got nothing to do with my point. America are in much better conditions (at least it seems so) than South America and Africa. They are both parts of the world suffering under drugs lords, corrupted government (Probably more corrupted than America), constant tribal/gang wars, hunger, malaria, aids/HIV and whatnot.


America doesn't suffer as much as they do, so I don't see how it would affect my point about America and the neglect of gun control when it comes to children.
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Posted 10/26/10
Plain retarded. Not that their 8 year old is learning how to handle a gun because I want to believe they're teaching her properly but the stupid part is that they would take their 4 year old with them to the shooting range. Some people just don't understand that children are impulsive and that they should be kept away from danger.Unbelievable. I feel bad for the older sister though, I don't think she did it intentionally.
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Posted 10/26/10

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vulcanx wrote:

Try telling that to south america and Africa. I'd opt for our weapon accidents compared to the suffering and crime they have to deal with. Hard to label all of America as a lack of security/child neglect when there is far worse places out there. Dont get me wrong I'd never walk in certain parts of Cincinnati due to the violence and shootings but thats a far cry from lack of security and child neglect when those are just gang wars/drug wars


South America and Africa got nothing to do with my point. America are in much better conditions (at least it seems so) than South America and Africa. They are both parts of the world suffering under drugs lords, corrupted government (Probably more corrupted than America), constant tribal/gang wars, hunger, malaria, aids/HIV and whatnot.


America doesn't suffer as much as they do, so I don't see how it would affect my point about America and the neglect of gun control when it comes to children.


Here in America we have very strict gun control laws, laws don't prevent accidents. You have no idea how hard the freedom nazis have made it to buy a gun in this country let alone getting a license to operating one.
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I didn't know rednecks lived in Arizona.
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yep exactly what im thinking!
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I was wondering whether it is actually illegal to let a kid manipulate with a gun in the USA, if it's not, then it should be made illegal (until they reach a certain age). I mean seriously what is an 8 year old kid supposed to do with a gun anyway? Are the parents expecting her to kill someone/something (which is definitely the main reason why they were invented)? But hey, it's not the gun laws' fault, or whatever, it's the parents FAULT for letting their child jump around freely on a shooting range, as I said before.

Btw, this is really weird but when I click on the OP's link it leads me to crunchyroll.com. I had to quote the OP to select the link out to get to the article. ._.
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I was wondering whether it is actually illegal to let a kid manipulate with a gun in the USA, if it's not, then it should be made illegal (until they reach a certain age). I mean seriously what is an 8 year old kid supposed to do with a gun anyway? Are the parents expecting her to kill someone/something (which is definitely the main reason why they were invented)? But hey, it's not the gun laws' fault, or whatever, it's the parents FAULT for letting their child jump around freely on a shooting range, as I said before.

Btw, this is really weird but when I click on the OP's link it leads me to crunchyroll.com. I had to quote the OP to select the link out to get to the article. ._.


There isnt a single link I can click here in the forums w/o it doing that. I'm not sure why but it just takes me to the home page of CR lol.

I'm actually not all that sure if its illegal for anyone under the age to handle a gun. I'm pretty sure its not since in the past I had heard of hunting accidents gone wrong with the parents child. So as far as hunting rifles I know as long as you can shoot it and with an adult then its fair game. Pistols I'm not sure I dont see any reason why anyone under the age of 21 should even have one.

I wonder like to see hard proof that Americas gun accidents are a huge number against another area of the world. Would need to take population into factor then compare that to that area.
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Posted 10/26/10

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vulcanx wrote:

Try telling that to south america and Africa. I'd opt for our weapon accidents compared to the suffering and crime they have to deal with. Hard to label all of America as a lack of security/child neglect when there is far worse places out there. Dont get me wrong I'd never walk in certain parts of Cincinnati due to the violence and shootings but thats a far cry from lack of security and child neglect when those are just gang wars/drug wars


South America and Africa got nothing to do with my point. America are in much better conditions (at least it seems so) than South America and Africa. They are both parts of the world suffering under drugs lords, corrupted government (Probably more corrupted than America), constant tribal/gang wars, hunger, malaria, aids/HIV and whatnot.


America doesn't suffer as much as they do, so I don't see how it would affect my point about America and the neglect of gun control when it comes to children.


Here in America we have very strict gun control laws, laws don't prevent accidents. You have no idea how hard the freedom nazis have made it to buy a gun in this country let alone getting a license to operating one.


Laws don't help shit if the parents don't teach the children what to do and not.
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My father was a police officer, so being around guns was not really an option for my sister and I when we were little. However, my father taught us from a young age to respect weapons, they can save your life, but they can take it. Never point it at someone if you aren't going to use it. Always treat a gun as though it were loaded...etc, etc. I think I was probably about 8 when I actually first shot a gun, so I can see a parent teaching and showing their children this.
I can't imagine why the parent would leave the side of their 8 yr old while she was firing though, and why the 4 yr old would be allowed to be running anywhere near anyone shooting weapons. It doesn't sound like they were at any firing range I have ever been too...

It is definitely lack of supervision that caused this. I feel terrible for the 8 yr old having to live with the knowledge that she killed her own sister...
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vulcanx wrote:
There isnt a single link I can click here in the forums w/o it doing that. I'm not sure why but it just takes me to the home page of CR lol.

I'm actually not all that sure if its illegal for anyone under the age to handle a gun. I'm pretty sure its not since in the past I had heard of hunting accidents gone wrong with the parents child. So as far as hunting rifles I know as long as you can shoot it and with an adult then its fair game. Pistols I'm not sure I dont see any reason why anyone under the age of 21 should even have one.

I wonder like to see hard proof that Americas gun accidents are a huge number against another area of the world. Would need to take population into factor then compare that to that area.


Odd, probably a bug with the bbcodes. Unless it's done on purpose to avoid links redirecting to other websites..(which would be retarded if that's the case, indeed)

Well, but it surely is frowned upon by law to let a child handle a gun without being properly supervised, no?

Hmm, I don't know if there are any stats available concerning that matter, but the USA are certainly one of the few countries where gun ownership seems to be a rather popular thing. D:


Tarya wrote:

My father was a police officer, so being around guns was not really an option for my sister and I when we were little. However, my father taught us from a young age to respect weapons, they can save your life, but they can take it. Never point it at someone if you aren't going to use it. Always treat a gun as though it were loaded...etc, etc. I think I was probably about 8 when I actually first shot a gun, so I can see a parent teaching and showing their children this.
I can't imagine why the parent would leave the side of their 8 yr old while she was firing though, and why the 4 yr old would be allowed to be running anywhere near anyone shooting weapons. It doesn't sound like they were at any firing range I have ever been too...

It is definitely lack of supervision that caused this. I feel terrible for the 8 yr old having to live with the knowledge that she killed her own sister...


Yeah, it will haunt her for the rest of her life, I bet. :/
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My father also taught me how to handle guns and gun safety when I was very young. He wanted my siblings and me to understand how dangerous weapons are, what their purpose is, and how to use one safely and correctly should we need to use it. My father has told me where he keeps his guns, the ammunition, etc should I need to use it incase of an emergency. When I was very young, maybe 8 or 9 he also had me practice shooting, but he had strict rules. Only fire twards the target, only fire in that direction, never fire twards the house,, no one is to approach the person shooting or go near the target, etc, etc.

I am still scared of guns, even though I am capable of handling one. I cannot IMAGINE how a parent could be any less responsible than my dad was because of how dangerous weapons can be.
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Posted 10/26/10

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Allhailodin wrote:


AHTL wrote:


vulcanx wrote:

Try telling that to south america and Africa. I'd opt for our weapon accidents compared to the suffering and crime they have to deal with. Hard to label all of America as a lack of security/child neglect when there is far worse places out there. Dont get me wrong I'd never walk in certain parts of Cincinnati due to the violence and shootings but thats a far cry from lack of security and child neglect when those are just gang wars/drug wars


South America and Africa got nothing to do with my point. America are in much better conditions (at least it seems so) than South America and Africa. They are both parts of the world suffering under drugs lords, corrupted government (Probably more corrupted than America), constant tribal/gang wars, hunger, malaria, aids/HIV and whatnot.


America doesn't suffer as much as they do, so I don't see how it would affect my point about America and the neglect of gun control when it comes to children.


Here in America we have very strict gun control laws, laws don't prevent accidents. You have no idea how hard the freedom nazis have made it to buy a gun in this country let alone getting a license to operating one.


Laws don't help shit if the parents don't teach the children what to do and not.


Exactly so blame the parents not the laws or guns, its the parents fault.
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