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Prop 19 has failed
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Posted 11/3/10 , edited 1/13/11
Theres already a thread about "Should Marijuana be Legalized", so Im not sure if I should even bother be making this post, but here I go. If this needs to be locked then go ahead


So yea Prop 19 has failed. What now? Will we be able to try again in 2012? Will we be able to come back from this?

Just talk about Prop 19 in general, or anything about the subject..
Posted 11/3/10
Obviously so. Just because something is less harmful, doesn't mean it can't cause problems in the long run. If it were legalized, like every other thing we humans get our hands on it would be greatly abused (as if it weren't already).
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This is good news. Legalizing marijuana is a bad idea in my opinion and I'm glad California voters struck it down. Regardless, I'm not sure that a state can legalize a federally illegal substance.
Posted 11/3/10 , edited 11/3/10

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Obviously so. Just because something is less harmful, doesn't mean it can't cause problems in the long run. If it were legalized, like every other thing we humans get our hands on it would be greatly abused (as if it weren't already).
And how:

Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.

Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.

The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet.

Experts said alcohol scored so high because it is so widely used and has devastating consequences not only for drinkers but for those around them.

"Just think about what happens (with alcohol) at every football game," said Wim van den Brink, a professor of psychiatry and addiction at the
Posted 11/3/10

DomFortress wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:

Obviously so. Just because something is less harmful, doesn't mean it can't cause problems in the long run. If it were legalized, like every other thing we humans get our hands on it would be greatly abused (as if it weren't already).
And how:

Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.

Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.

The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet.

Experts said alcohol scored so high because it is so widely used and has devastating consequences not only for drinkers but for those around them.

"Just think about what happens (with alcohol) at every football game," said Wim van den Brink, a professor of psychiatry and addiction at the



I heard about that two days ago. Not very surprising. Alcohol is the most abused drug on this planet.
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Posted 11/3/10
Well like I said before, even if it passed it still not going to legalize pot in this state.

States do not have the authority to legalize pot. Only the federal government has the power to legalize it.
Posted 11/3/10
not a big surprise at all but what can you do all the fear Campinas against pot is just crazy, but whatever.
Posted 11/3/10

LosingOrbit wrote:




I heard about that two days ago. Not very surprising. Alcohol is the most abused drug on this planet.
I was too hasty at finishing my reply, I didn't cite my source material at all. I apologize for any confusion that I might had caused in the process.

So can marijuana make normal people become better thinkers? No. Is marijuana a solution for an individual's social problem in the long run? Only when one stops using it. Does the tax dollar gain from regulating recreational marijuana usage benefit the society as a whole? Not when unhealthy people only benefit from medical marijuana usage in the first place.

IMHO, personal freedom means grabbing one's own life by its horns and steering it, when to struggle against one's environment is its sole purpose. Thereby marijuana usage is the exact opposite of my ideal of freedom.
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Guess enough time has gone by for me to chip in.

Im pretty sure the majority of people who wanted Prop 19 to pass were people who simply wanted another thing to do in their recreational time.

I think weed being illegal does more harm than being legal

(Sooner or later when I get a day where I have absolutely nothing to do, I will *hopefully* come back to actually give proof of why I believe it, since reasoning is everything in this world)

Though I may chip in casually to some posts

Edit: Though Im sure in 2012, the legalization will be easily won. More of the oldies who voted against it will probably pass away, and the young ones who are for it will move up 2 years, but will still be for it, and more youngins will come into the picture, and Im pretty sure the majority of them will vote yes as well. (Not to sound like I want the oldies to die but...just giving a reason)

Heck the reason we probably lost in the first place was from the pot smokers not getting up and voting xD
Posted 11/3/10

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LosingOrbit wrote:




I heard about that two days ago. Not very surprising. Alcohol is the most abused drug on this planet.
I was too hasty at finishing my reply, I didn't cite my source material at all. I apologize for any confusion that I might had caused in the process.

So can marijuana make normal people become better thinkers? No. Is marijuana a solution for an individual's social problem in the long run? Only when one stops using it. Does the tax dollar gain from regulating recreational marijuana usage benefit the society as a whole? Not when unhealthy people only benefit from medical marijuana usage in the first place.

IMHO, personal freedom means grabbing one's own life by its horns and steering it, when to struggle against one's environment is its sole purpose. Thereby marijuana usage is the exact opposite of my ideal of freedom.


yes dom but is still should be our own personal decision to make, we do not need the government or people to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies or ourselves as a whole. we have a different view on freedom I take it and to be honest I believe if some is dying or in pain they should be able to smoke some pot in order to relive that pain if that wanted that choice, that's what I did for my uncial that recently passed away because he was in so much pain from his cancer that not even traditional meds where helping with it, sigh sorry for the rant.
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I don't think it'll ever be legalized. Mostly because with that drug legalized others will try to get more harmful drugs legalized as well. It has always been viewed morally wrong to use any drug that was not needed, I doubt that society's morals will dwindle to accepting pot.
But this is my own opinion.
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Posted 11/3/10

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DomFortress wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:




I heard about that two days ago. Not very surprising. Alcohol is the most abused drug on this planet.
I was too hasty at finishing my reply, I didn't cite my source material at all. I apologize for any confusion that I might had caused in the process.

So can marijuana make normal people become better thinkers? No. Is marijuana a solution for an individual's social problem in the long run? Only when one stops using it. Does the tax dollar gain from regulating recreational marijuana usage benefit the society as a whole? Not when unhealthy people only benefit from medical marijuana usage in the first place.

IMHO, personal freedom means grabbing one's own life by its horns and steering it, when to struggle against one's environment is its sole purpose. Thereby marijuana usage is the exact opposite of my ideal of freedom.


yes dom but is still should be our own personal decision to make, we do not need the government or people to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies or ourselves as a whole. we have a different view on freedom I take it and to be honest I believe if some is dying or in pain they should be able to smoke some pot in order to relive that pain if that wanted that choice, that's what I did for my uncial that recently passed away because he was in so much pain from his cancer that not even traditional meds where helping with it, sigh sorry for the rant.
That proposal was already taken into consideration, when I drawn a distinction between recreational and medical marijuana usage.
Posted 11/3/10

DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:




I heard about that two days ago. Not very surprising. Alcohol is the most abused drug on this planet.
I was too hasty at finishing my reply, I didn't cite my source material at all. I apologize for any confusion that I might had caused in the process.

So can marijuana make normal people become better thinkers? No. Is marijuana a solution for an individual's social problem in the long run? Only when one stops using it. Does the tax dollar gain from regulating recreational marijuana usage benefit the society as a whole? Not when unhealthy people only benefit from medical marijuana usage in the first place.

IMHO, personal freedom means grabbing one's own life by its horns and steering it, when to struggle against one's environment is its sole purpose. Thereby marijuana usage is the exact opposite of my ideal of freedom.


yes dom but is still should be our own personal decision to make, we do not need the government or people to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies or ourselves as a whole. we have a different view on freedom I take it and to be honest I believe if some is dying or in pain they should be able to smoke some pot in order to relive that pain if that wanted that choice, that's what I did for my uncial that recently passed away because he was in so much pain from his cancer that not even traditional meds where helping with it, sigh sorry for the rant.
That proposal was already taken into consideration, when I drawn a distinction between recreational and medical marijuana usage.


ahh is see sorry for calling out then, but yeah.
Posted 11/3/10
I'm kinda glad they didn't pass it.

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Guess enough time has gone by for me to chip in.

Im pretty sure the majority of people who wanted Prop 19 to pass were people who simply wanted another thing to do in their recreational time.

I think weed being illegal does more harm than being legal

(Sooner or later when I get a day where I have absolutely nothing to do, I will *hopefully* come back to actually give proof of why I believe it, since reasoning is everything in this world)

Though I may chip in casually to some posts

Edit: Though Im sure in 2012, the legalization will be easily won. More of the oldies who voted against it will probably pass away, and the young ones who are for it will move up 2 years, but will still be for it, and more youngins will come into the picture, and Im pretty sure the majority of them will vote yes as well. (Not to sound like I want the oldies to die but...just giving a reason)

Heck the reason we probably lost in the first place was from the pot smokers not getting up and voting xD


Even if California does legalize it in 2 years, it won't do anything, pot is illegal under federal law, that means states do not have the authority to legalize it on their own.

Even if ca does pass a prop to legalize it, its null and void cause the feds will come in and say "Lol i don't think so" and overturn it.
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