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Christianity- Can it truly be considered Monotheistic?
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Here's one that puzzled me.

If Christianity is truly monotheistic, ie only one god exists.

Why was it necessary in the Ten Commandments that Christians "put no other god before me"

What also find interesting, is that this commandment doesn't forbid the worship of other gods. just that a christian must worship the christian god first and foremost.


That's strange, isn't it? I hate all the Holy Bible's contradictions, though the values it is based on are sound.


Like I said:

Orwellian "Doublethink".

I view almost all organized religions as a prototypical version of branding and marketing. A method of control. Nothing more.



Posted 11/6/10 , edited 11/6/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Northerner wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Here's one that puzzled me.

If Christianity is truly monotheistic, ie only one god exists.

Why was it necessary in the Ten Commandments that Christians "put no other god before me"

What also find interesting, is that this commandment doesn't forbid the worship of other gods. just that a christian must worship the christian god first and foremost.


That's strange, isn't it? I hate all the Holy Bible's contradictions, though the values it is based on are sound.


Like I said:

Orwellian "Doublethink".

I view almost all organized religions as a prototypical version of branding and marketing. A method of control. Nothing more.





Kind of like marriage. In America, lawyers can tear apart relationships, seize property, and make a profit off of it all because of some established control over people. It's sickening. And Mormonism is really bad for wrecking love lives.
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Christianity is monotheistic.
The trinity is a way of describing three aspects of one entity, simplifying it, you might say.
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Posted 11/8/10 , edited 11/9/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Here's one that puzzled me.

If Christianity is truly monotheistic, ie only one god exists.

Why was it necessary in the Ten Commandments that Christians "put no other god before me"

What also find interesting, is that this commandment doesn't forbid the worship of other gods. just that a christian must worship the christian god first and foremost.


god? Human are capable of caling anything god. But just because you worship that item and call it god(lower case g) does not mean it is GOD. Catholics are an example of not follwoing that commandments. They are corrupted, they use the cross, they worship the Virgin Mary and they even remove the Sabbath. They also worship the pope when they should be worshiping Jesus. they have worship statues and loads of other idolatry. Also The pope? for real, he is a nomral person just like us.. he is no different from us. He says to come to him for forgivness, WRONG! You come to Jesus for forgivess through your holy spirit!
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Here's one that puzzled me.

If Christianity is truly monotheistic, ie only one god exists.

Why was it necessary in the Ten Commandments that Christians "put no other god before me"

What also find interesting, is that this commandment doesn't forbid the worship of other gods. just that a christian must worship the christian god first and foremost.


First, it is in old testament which means it is Jewish tribal thing. Since Christianity is continuation of Judaism (level up) they just continued where Torah stopped and added stuff.

As to why, it is historical: Jews were as any other Arabic tribe: polytheistic. Their pantheon had some 10 gods with one god in charge. Later, the smaller gods became angels and devils, and the guy in charge One True God. But the others were worshiped nevertheless. And the ancestral cult was also very widespread. Thus the first commandment: I am the only God.
And please don't ask me to point my internet source since I learned that in college. But, I can recommend archeological books on middle east. There, they explain it better then in most historical religious books. If you understand German, try their books. Fascinating stuff.
There you can also find how Sphinx - like creatures became angels in drawings on pottery throughout the years. And they say Christians don't believe in evolution. Hah!
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So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Here's one that puzzled me.

If Christianity is truly monotheistic, ie only one god exists.

Why was it necessary in the Ten Commandments that Christians "put no other god before me"

What also find interesting, is that this commandment doesn't forbid the worship of other gods. just that a christian must worship the christian god first and foremost.


Because you can simply worship something and call it god(lower case g) and you may think of it as God. Catholics are corrupt, they use the crosws, the worship the Virgin Mary and they even remove the Sabbath. They also worship the pope when they should be worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. The pope is a nomral person just like us.. he is no different from us. He says to come to him for forgivness, WRONG! You come to Jesus for forgivess through your holy spirit!


Ah- pardon me for asking, while in your throes of piety, but how is any of this Catholic-slagging Jesus-is-God thing relevent to the quoted post?
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?


No, since the gods are no longer gods but devils and angels i.e. servants and creatures created by god. So it would be like asking kings knights for kings favor instead of king himself. or something like that. Dom would have something to say on this, I'm sure, but i see religion as any other living organism (or sociological process), it is evolving. The one god thing is just process which most religions pass through. And then stop. (for now, who knows what "revelations" will future bring) - many religions have some sort of oneness to strive towards, even if that oneness is not holy by itself.

And the ancestral cult I mentioned earlier was just rooted out.

The real problem of polytheism in Christianity is that holy trinity is badly explained and they (clerics from middle age) say it is impossible to understand it. At least to us, humans. Which is very convenient for them (clerics). Plus people should understand that by praying to saints they are not actually praying to them but to God through them. That all led to breaking Christianity (in 1054), but I see people still don't get it.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?


No, since the gods are no longer gods but devils and angels i.e. servants and creatures created by god. So it would be like asking kings knights for kings favor instead of king himself. or something like that. Dom would have something to say on this, I'm sure, but i see religion as any other living organism (or sociological process), it is evolving. The one god thing is just process which most religions pass through. And then stop. (for now, who knows what "revelations" will future bring) - many religions have some sort of oneness to strive towards, even if that oneness is not holy by itself.

And the ancestral cult I mentioned earlier was just rooted out.

The real problem of polytheism in Christianity is that holy trinity is badly explained and they (clerics from middle age) say it is impossible to understand it. At least to us, humans. Which is very convenient for them (clerics). Plus people should understand that by praying to saints they are not actually praying to them but to God through them. That all led to breaking Christianity (in 1054), but I see people still don't get it.


Many ancient religions remain polytheistic- the Chinese religion or the religion of the Indies, or of Japan- I do not doubt that it is evolving- afterall God is explictedly mentioned as many personages in the two account of creation- but I disagree in that they are all striving toward monotheism.
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blancer wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?


No, since the gods are no longer gods but devils and angels i.e. servants and creatures created by god. So it would be like asking kings knights for kings favor instead of king himself. or something like that. Dom would have something to say on this, I'm sure, but i see religion as any other living organism (or sociological process), it is evolving. The one god thing is just process which most religions pass through. And then stop. (for now, who knows what "revelations" will future bring) - many religions have some sort of oneness to strive towards, even if that oneness is not holy by itself.

And the ancestral cult I mentioned earlier was just rooted out.

The real problem of polytheism in Christianity is that holy trinity is badly explained and they (clerics from middle age) say it is impossible to understand it. At least to us, humans. Which is very convenient for them (clerics). Plus people should understand that by praying to saints they are not actually praying to them but to God through them. That all led to breaking Christianity (in 1054), but I see people still don't get it.


In the end, It strikes me as a medium for control. It all comes down to obedience to some other human being because they say that god says so.

I've got no problems with spiritulism or faith.. for others. Never felt the pull of it myself. Religion is fine. Organised religion is IngSoc by another name.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?

No it is wrong to be polytheistic. You cannot be polytheistic and Christian at the same time. If you are polytheistic then you are not Christian. There is only one GOD.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?

No it is wrong to be polytheistic. You cannot be polytheistic and Christian at the same time. If you are polytheistic then you are not Christian. There is only one GOD.


Duly Noted...

I am now convinced. I shall immediately join the religious cheerleader squad.

How's this?

There is only one god!

There is only one god!

He is the Sun God.

Ra! Ra! Ra!
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?

No it is wrong to be polytheistic. You cannot be polytheistic and Christian at the same time. If you are polytheistic then you are not Christian. There is only one GOD.


Duly Noted...

I am now convinced. I shall immediately join the religious cheerleader squad.

How's this?

There is only one god!

There is only one god!

He is the Sun God.

Ra! Ra! Ra!

No he is Jesus -.- Jesus himself is God. If you need bible verse to prove it then I'll show it but considering th fact that you are a Non-believer it shouldn't matter.
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Posted 11/10/10 , edited 11/10/10

popcornpuffs wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

So it' s okay to be polytheistic and Christian.. as long a God is put before all lessor gods?

or no?

No it is wrong to be polytheistic. You cannot be polytheistic and Christian at the same time. If you are polytheistic then you are not Christian. There is only one GOD.


Duly Noted...

I am now convinced. I shall immediately join the religious cheerleader squad.

How's this?

There is only one god!

There is only one god!

He is the Sun God.

Ra! Ra! Ra!

No he is Jesus -.- Jesus himself is God. If you need bible verse to prove it then I'll show it but considering th fact that you are a Non-believer it shouldn't matter.


If Jesus is God, where, then, where existed God before his conception by Mary and his untimely death, where is he after that now that God is deceased?

Or maybe, God existed, decided to come to earth on a holiday, checked in a womb for nine-month, checked out, decided that its a grand idea to tour Judea, before finally deciding to go home after several bout of homesickness and many curious wonderings as to whether the angels are secretly sleeping on his bed and using his toothbrush for more inappropiate activities.

This whole thing is confusing.
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