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Posted 11/20/10
This topic is about the state of mind religious faiths can place people in, and how that is geared towards making them feel at peace. It has long been observed with humanity how religion can aid in guiding its followers, and so we take into account why that is. Some propose that people are ultimately susceptible to being told how they should think and feel, whereas other feel that it is left up to personal choice regardless of certain teachings.
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Posted 11/20/10
In my opinion, this is one of the positive things about religion. It can give people hope, eg. life after death, higher power looking out for them etc. It may not be rational, but if it helps someone get through the day and (importantly) doesn't harm anyone else then good luck to them.

I'm not religious myself, but I do find it comforting to believe that there is someone/something keeping an eye on things.

Unfortunately it can also be taken to extremes, where people will do horrible things for the "glory" of [name of deity] in the belief that they will be rewarded in the afterlife (though I tend to think that said deity must be an evil god if they reward such things....)
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Posted 11/23/10
"it's up to one's self to believe in one religion or not. religion is where you seek for the truth, identity, value, the meaning of something. those who take it extreme just a foolish who decieved by nature. it appears some people take religion just for a tool to comforting self. well that's quite foolish too. there's sophisticated knowledges in religion that cudn't be reached in science way yet. that is if u really understand what religion is.... I guess I'm confusing. "
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Posted 11/25/10

maffoo wrote:

In my opinion, this is one of the positive things about religion. It can give people hope, eg. life after death, higher power looking out for them etc. It may not be rational, but if it helps someone get through the day and (importantly) doesn't harm anyone else then good luck to them.


Complacency.



Lucy_W wrote:

"it's up to one's self to believe in one religion or not. religion is where you seek for the truth, identity, value, the meaning of something. those who take it extreme just a foolish who decieved by nature. it appears some people take religion just for a tool to comforting self. well that's quite foolish too. there's sophisticated knowledges in religion that cudn't be reached in science way yet. that is if u really understand what religion is.... I guess I'm confusing. "


What knowledge are you talking about? Aren't you, by any chance, equating lies with knowledge? Faith sooths people when it is harder to face reality, it robs them of the clarity of thought and insight that would help them, correctly, to analyse whatever it is that they subject to analysis. Belief in lies builds creates a fictitious world of lies which you may believe in, but it is nonexistent.
Posted 11/25/10 , edited 11/25/10
Some people want to know whether or not they're on the right path in life or need something to rely on when the rest of the world doesn't stand up to their expectations, so they turn to religion. I've been in the church since I was child, now that I'm older I've realized the only thing my religion did was made me confused and paranoid. The thought of eternal damnation scared the hell out of me (no pun intended). I couldn't go on feeling like I was a part of a heard of simple sheep, so I left the church; just wasn't worth my sanity.

Posted 11/25/10

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Some people want to know whether or not they're on the right path in life or need something to rely on when the rest of the world doesn't stand up to their expectations, so they turn to religion. I've been in the church since I was child, now that I'm older I've realized the only thing my religion did was made me confused and paranoid. The thought of eternal damnation scared the hell out of me (no pun intended). I couldn't go on feeling like I was a part of a heard of simple sheep, so I left the church; just wasn't worth my sanity.



The only hell is to be found in life if it should be inflicted to you or you dealt it upon yourself.
Posted 11/26/10 , edited 11/26/10

LosingOrbit wrote:

Some people want to know whether or not they're on the right path in life or need something to rely on when the rest of the world doesn't stand up to their expectations, so they turn to religion. I've been in the church since I was child, now that I'm older I've realized the only thing my religion did was made me confused and paranoid. The thought of eternal damnation scared the hell out of me (no pun intended). I couldn't go on feeling like I was a part of a heard of simple sheep, so I left the church; just wasn't worth my sanity.
This is exactly what I felt when I became a member of a baptist church 13 years ago. And for the brief moment of less than a year I became aware of the change in my decision-making process; it got shifted from an actively reasoning-based thought process, to a reactive-based reflex to react only on fear. Suddenly complexity became chaos, and I felt like I had to make rash judgments without me being able to explain for myself. Which I've always made a habit of doing so in the first place. In parenting styles this can be seen as the difference between authoritative and authoritarian styles:

The authoritarian parent is a dictator. "My way or the highway" is the trademark attitude of this type of parent and personality. Often parents who operate this way will work hard to not only enforce rules but perspectives, ideals, and morals. While this is not all bad, most of these concepts are better taught by leading than by preaching. This style of parenting removes choice from the child. Children are discouraged from thinking for themselves or exploring other options or opinions than the one held by the parent.

Authoritarian parents often believe saying it louder is better. When that doesn't work, beating it into them might be the next ploy. They do not stand for any variance from their opinions or actions. When questioned about why something is done a certain way, the answer will be one form or another of: "Because I said so!" These parents are frequently embarrassed by their children's actions because they expect something from them that exceeds perfection.

Authoritative parents tend to have the respect of their children because they are in charge but not dictatorial. Children are allowed a measure of flexibility in negotiating rules like bedtime. The children obey because they see the principles driving the rules being lived out in the lives of the parents.

People who practice authoritative parenting are not afraid to have their ideas or ideals challenged. They tend to believe that if something won't stand up to examination, it may not be valid. They are confident enough in themselves to remove the aspect of regarding any challenge as a personal affront to their authority. They know they are in control because they are the parents. It isn't necessary to become overbearing to prove the point.
(citation)
Who knew that authoritarian style of parenting could be socialized from religion.
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"haha.. from the way u say it looks like u've decieved by things that u can sense. faith isn't to face reality easier stupid, u cud choose wether u want to have faith or not reality wud be still the same. n I don't really get what do u mean by equating lies with knowledge. lies is false knowledge."
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Posted 12/2/10

LosingOrbit wrote:

Some people want to know whether or not they're on the right path in life or need something to rely on when the rest of the world doesn't stand up to their expectations, so they turn to religion. I've been in the church since I was child, now that I'm older I've realized the only thing my religion did was made me confused and paranoid. The thought of eternal damnation scared the hell out of me (no pun intended). I couldn't go on feeling like I was a part of a heard of simple sheep, so I left the church; just wasn't worth my sanity.



"I'll say this honestly, church peoples is sucsessors of liar. it's your choice to believe me or not. I meant no offense, I just say what I think is right."
Posted 12/2/10

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"haha.. from the way u say it looks like u've decieved by things that u can sense. faith isn't to face reality easier stupid, u cud choose wether u want to have faith or not reality wud be still the same. n I don't really get what do u mean by equating lies with knowledge. lies is false knowledge."
First off, you're contradicting yourself with your own statement, as in you've committed a naturalist logical fallacy by yourself immediately saying someone that you don't understand as being "stupid".

Second, since faith itself is irregardless of what reality is, then what proof do you have that can justify whatever that you believing is indeed the objective truth? Unless...


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"I'll say this honestly, church peoples is sucsessors of liar. it's your choice to believe me or not. I meant no offense, I just say what I think is right."
You've got nothing other than your authoritarian attitude to support your entitlement claim, just like the churches do.
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"well, everyone is foolish in my eyes. I won't bother to explain what am I believing in since I don't care that u'll believe it or not, n it seems that u're not really curious about that. n what is authoriitarian?"
Posted 12/2/10 , edited 12/2/10

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"well, everyone is foolish in my eyes. I won't bother to explain what am I believing in since I don't care that u'll believe it or not, n it seems that u're not really curious about that. n what is authoriitarian?"
If you're so smart, then try answering your own question, genius. [/sarcasm] And no, don't click on the hyperlink that I provided you in my last reply, that will be yourself cheating.
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Posted 12/3/10
In one way you are on to something, people will go looking towards something to put them at peace. Then they will use that to tell them what to think in feel. That though is not limited to religion. You could go to political movements, jobs, even to some degree sports, dramas, advertising. The more one wraps oneself around a movement one is prone to do go default and just go with what the thing generally says. One on the other hand can take the same ideas, and take those tools and maturely use them. I think when it comes to peace, one may need to try to find the difference between peace between a couple due to them not fighting, but still bitterly mad at each other and the peace because they both worked through the issues. Yes, religion can offer that hallow peace, if you don't really do any follow through with it, but if you actually wrestle with it then it can bring about a truer peace.
Posted 12/3/10

jam15007 wrote:

In one way you are on to something, people will go looking towards something to put them at peace. Then they will use that to tell them what to think in feel. That though is not limited to religion. You could go to political movements, jobs, even to some degree sports, dramas, advertising. The more one wraps oneself around a movement one is prone to do go default and just go with what the thing generally says. One on the other hand can take the same ideas, and take those tools and maturely use them. I think when it comes to peace, one may need to try to find the difference between peace between a couple due to them not fighting, but still bitterly mad at each other and the peace because they both worked through the issues. Yes, religion can offer that hallow peace, if you don't really do any follow through with it, but if you actually wrestle with it then it can bring about a truer peace.
I disagree, when most religious practices are biased and clueless about the complexity of human sexuality and mate selection, while strictly speaking it creates gender inequality between heterosexual relationship, not peace.
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Posted 12/3/10
I am beginning to think your a bit bias here on how you view religion. Yes I am sure many different religions don't choose to take your view sexuality and mate selection, so naturally how they see the order of things will look disordered. Are you sure you are not taking their views which can be quite complex and watering them down into some thing simplistic, then critiquing them as being simplistic? Also since in sociology nature is nurture, just the fact that there are a number of differences between females and males, the sexes are to start out with unequal? Religion didn't create those differences.
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