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In this time, when you can choose your religion freely, religion may help you very much at finding yourself. In the time, when you were a bad person for not being christian, it was a big problem, but If everybody choses the religion he likes and feels good in, the world will be a better place.
Posted 12/3/10

Dabrush wrote:

In this time, when you can choose your religion freely, religion may help you very much at finding yourself. In the time, when you were a bad person for not being christian, it was a big problem, but If everybody choses the religion he likes and feels good in, the world will be a better place.
Tell that to the children who were born into a religious family, and thus cannot escape from the family's religious obligations on their own. That's the reality of organized religions as a socialization process.
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Posted 12/4/10
I've got a religion.... & I've been here on this topic w/ many of you before .
Guess I can't count myself among fanatics or fundamentalists, but I know I've gotten hot under the collar in my posts from time to time. If nothing else, I can honestly say my interest in this & other discussions on religion have helped me to "passionately" evaluate what & why I believe.

I've changed my mind quite a few times over the years & I have to agree I've been tempted to be pacified by a fair share of theological opiates over the years. Having chosen at this time Christianity & the Bible over anything else, I at least have a point of reference from which to explore, compare & measure other types of faith, theories, philosophies, sciences, etc.

I usually become defensive ( or outright antagonistic ) when told how I'm supposed to act or think. It is important to me to think for myself, discover new (to me) ideas & ways in which to view my human existence as it relates to myself, & others- at a personal level as well as the world at large.
Posted 12/10/10

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I am beginning to think your a bit bias here on how you view religion. Yes I am sure many different religions don't choose to take your view sexuality and mate selection, so naturally how they see the order of things will look disordered. Are you sure you are not taking their views which can be quite complex and watering them down into some thing simplistic, then critiquing them as being simplistic? Also since in sociology nature is nurture, just the fact that there are a number of differences between females and males, the sexes are to start out with unequal? Religion didn't create those differences.
Not differences, but inequality. Religion teaches gender inequality, whereas social justice challenges it.
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Posted 12/10/10

Not differences, but inequality. Religion teaches gender inequality, whereas social justice challenges it.


If there are differences, there will be inequality. (XX =\= XY) Certain aspects can be made equal, but that will still lead to other things being unequal. You can set up whatever social justice and have the best intentions, what you will be doing is just shifting inequalities around to different aspects. It may be agreeable to your sense and sensibilities, but how can you be sure the next generation is just not going to look back on you and think, "how did you get all this so backwards."
Posted 12/10/10

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Not differences, but inequality. Religion teaches gender inequality, whereas social justice challenges it.


If there are differences, there will be inequality. (XX =\= XY) Certain aspects can be made equal, but that will still lead to other things being unequal. You can set up whatever social justice and have the best intentions, what you will be doing is just shifting inequalities around to different aspects. It may be agreeable to your sense and sensibilities, but how can you be sure the next generation is just not going to look back on you and think, "how did you get all this so backwards."
Then what's with the inequality in terms of gender roles and status? And what's so "backward' about treating others as my equals in human spirits? Do you as a Christian have an inferiority complex unless you're entitled to be somewhat special? Does your feeling of superiority over women justify gender inequality in the bible? Is your spirit being one with Jesus that shallow? What then is the use of the Christian faith when it only belittles everyone that follows it?
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As a woman, please let me share that I believe that women are very special to God! I do not feel He views us as less than men, but rather that He uses us differently according to our strengths. I personally don't see this as a bad thing!!! Men and women are heirs together in the grace of life. ~smile~ (((((HUGS))))) sandi
Posted 12/11/10

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As a woman, please let me share that I believe that women are very special to God! I do not feel He views us as less than men, but rather that He uses us differently according to our strengths. I personally don't see this as a bad thing!!! Men and women are heirs together in the grace of life. ~smile~ (((((HUGS))))) sandi
What's this "special" strength that's gender exclusive according to God? Why can't men be feminine and still be men in the bible? Why must homosexuals be excluded from Christianity? Why is God being such a douche?
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Then what's with the inequality in terms of gender roles and status? And what's so "backward' about treating others as my equals in human spirits? Do you as a Christian have an inferiority complex unless you're entitled to be somewhat special? Does your feeling of superiority over women justify gender inequality in the bible? Is your spirit being one with Jesus that shallow? What then is the use of the Christian faith when it only belittles everyone that follows it?


I'm not arguing for the antithesis of your position. There are abuses in gender roles that have been set forth, I agree with you on that. But the moment you decide to set down your own ideas about how gender roles ought to be, how gender roles will be abused and how they will cause disadvantages to some unique individuals will also be set forth. Also people being people will fall short of how they ought to act also causing problems to the ideal. I do believe you are well intentioned to treat others as your spiritual equals, I would contend that if you had your ideals applied you would one) shift around the inequality and two) in the areas you seek equality it would be undermined by people who are apt to fall short.

I don't think that I have in anyway justified that I do not see females as my spiritual equals. I do not feel more special than another. I am just pessimistic that you can find in one system a solution to all the problems. So while I do see injustice, I must humbly take a pause and think is my solution of some type of over arching system really going to solve the injustice. I would be more apt to say, let me perhaps start with my own short comings. Yes I can help out in bigger picture items. The Christian faith does not belittle me, it makes me see myself clearer. Besides you love more when you eliminate lust. You posses more when you eliminate greed. If a scientist finds that the theory he holds is being replaced by a better theory, it should not be taken as one becoming belittled, but that a better understanding is now known.
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