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Our Fondest Dictators
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10
We've had many of these fine fellows throughout the years, from Adolf Hitler to Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini to Vladimir Lenin. Their inspirational characters have shown people what a single man can do when driven by the will to change the world, and it is without shame that I represent here just how interesting their contributions to humanity were.

If not for Hitler, would we have found so many good and brave men during the dark times of World War II?

We need our beloved dictators and despots. Reason was given to George Bush to get out of bed in the morning for his most adored enemy; Saddam Hussein. Then his son sent numerous young men to show the world just what America is made of, and then Saddam's own people give him the high honor of being executed on television. How wonderful!

I just feel that we need our dictators to complete us. Without them, life just gets so empty.
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10
In that case, I would like to nominate the tyranny of the mob as the greatest dictator(s) of all time by a majority, pun intended.

Here's how they work collectively as an efficient propaganda machine: whenever they feel that their authority were challenged by the relatively more inclusive civil society, they reacted by themselves becoming an even more exclusive bigots.

Human dignity is all about individuals having the rights for them to be true to themselves and each other, without their true expressions to be oppressed based on immoral grounds. It's not some cheap ideology just to make oneself feel good, you pleasure hogs.
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Posted 11/28/10
Dude stfu
yea ppl who died in the holocaust were real greatful of hitler right
and there wouldnt have been dark time during WW2 and we wouldnt have needed to find so many brave young men (who many died)if hitler never existed
so i say again
STFU good sir
Posted 11/28/10

gokuvsnaruto wrote:

Dude stfu
yea ppl who died in the holocaust were real greatful of hitler right
and there wouldnt have been dark time during WW2 and we wouldnt have needed to find so many brave young men (who many died)if hitler never existed
so i say again
STFU good sir


If there isn't turmoil, how does peace have meaning?

Truly, Hitler could have done better, but he nonetheless helped get the world off its ass to complete a deeply meaningful mission.
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Posted 11/28/10
wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same
Posted 11/28/10

gokuvsnaruto wrote:

Dude stfu
yea ppl who died in the holocaust were real greatful of hitler right
and there wouldnt have been dark time during WW2 and we wouldnt have needed to find so many brave young men (who many died)if hitler never existed
so i say again
STFU good sir
What categorical reason do you have to tell others to shut up? When the fact is individuals who are expressing themselves just like how Hitler and Nazi Germany had once did, are themselves existing among us in the here and now. You bigot.


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING

all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same
And you missed the OP's point completely, when this was his strongest reason for Hitler's utility: his very own existence personified human bigotry within a secular society, this means that there are real social forces that can turn just about any human individual into a bigot. Regardless of their own nationality.
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10

gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Think of all the medical research conducted because of the near-genocide inflicted upon the Jews. Not only that, but the studies enacted in the field for the effectiveness of military equipment that we seen the Russians endure 20 millions deaths over at the hands of Hitler's military forces.

The price of progress is sacrifice.
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Posted 11/28/10

Mr_Entropy wrote:


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Think of all the medical research conducted because of the near-genocide inflicted upon the Jews. Not only that, but the studies enacted in the field for the effectiveness of military equipment that we seen the Russians endure 20 millions deaths over at the hands of Hitler's military forces.

The price of progress is sacrifice.


Do you not think that the sacrifice of those who took action is being ruined by your statement, truth or not, you are not showing any respect to their sacrifices.

Perhaps you should try to be more sensitive on this subject, you might offend alot of people.
Posted 11/28/10

amersfoort wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Think of all the medical research conducted because of the near-genocide inflicted upon the Jews. Not only that, but the studies enacted in the field for the effectiveness of military equipment that we seen the Russians endure 20 millions deaths over at the hands of Hitler's military forces.

The price of progress is sacrifice.


Do you not think that the sacrifice of those who took action is being ruined by your statement, truth or not, you are not showing any respect to their sacrifices.

Perhaps you should try to be more sensitive on this subject, you might offend alot of people.


In truth, what was the sacrifice of the Allies but to cover their own bigotry which was no less that Hitler's supremacist views? Did America not have concentration camps where many Japanese people were held against their wills, plus the segregation of countless African-American citizens? Did Great Britain not have its own slave trade in the past and occupation of foreign territories for the glory of the crown? Did France not have their own imperial pursuits in the past whilst imposing their own will upon their fellow men over their own greatness? Did Russia not wish to cover the entire world with the Iron Curtain? How about we discuss the Ku Klux Klan which predates Nazism and is of American origin?
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10

DomFortress wrote:

In that case, I would like to nominate the tyranny of the mob as the greatest dictator(s) of all time by a majority, pun intended.

Here's how they work collectively as an efficient propaganda machine: whenever they feel that their authority were challenged by the relatively more inclusive civil society, they reacted by themselves becoming an even more exclusive bigots.

Human dignity is all about individuals having the rights for them to be true to themselves and each other, without their true expressions to be oppressed based on immoral grounds. It's not some cheap ideology just to make oneself feel good, you pleasure hogs.


I have a lot of respect for Don Al Capone (mobster). Who could be imprisoned and yet still be so richly appointed within a small cell? Even Don Corleone (though fictional) was a man demanding great respect. There was certainly nothing bigoted about these modern dictators and their pursuits. They honestly conducted ''criminal'' ideals of business, and spared no efforts to further their completion.
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Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10

gokuvsnaruto wrote:

Dude stfu
yea ppl who died in the holocaust were real greatful of hitler right
and there wouldnt have been dark time during WW2 and we wouldnt have needed to find so many brave young men (who many died)if hitler never existed
so i say again
STFU good sir


'STFU' is not an argument. You only demonstrate your own incompetence with such statements.


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Please...


amersfoort wrote:

Do you not think that the sacrifice of those who took action is being ruined by your statement, truth or not, you are not showing any respect to their sacrifices.

Perhaps you should try to be more sensitive on this subject, you might offend alot of people.


Err... why? This bit of the forum is labeled 'Extended Discussion', not 'Considerate Discussion', right? If you want ancestor worship and melodrama I suggest you look elsewhere. Surely that fact that some people might be offended should not preclude people from sharing ideas. The solution is simple, people who burst into tears watching Saving Private Ryan should avoid this thread.
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 11/28/10

DerfelCadarn wrote:


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

Dude stfu
yea ppl who died in the holocaust were real greatful of hitler right
and there wouldnt have been dark time during WW2 and we wouldnt have needed to find so many brave young men (who many died)if hitler never existed
so i say again
STFU good sir


'STFU' is not an argument. You only demonstrate your own incompetence with such statements.


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Please...


amersfoort wrote:

Do you not think that the sacrifice of those who took action is being ruined by your statement, truth or not, you are not showing any respect to their sacrifices.

Perhaps you should try to be more sensitive on this subject, you might offend alot of people.


Err... why? This bit of the forum is labeled 'Extended Discussion', not 'Considerate Discussion', right? If you want ancestor worship and melodrama I suggest you look elsewhere. Surely that fact that some people might be offended should not preclude people from sharing ideas. The solution is simple, people who burst into tears watching Saving Private Ryan should avoid this thread.


I, for one, never burst into tears watching Saving Private Ryan, since I realized how I should view what was really taking place; predominantly normal, respectable men carrying out orders on behalf of some very unclear motives. The cinematography and special effects of Saving Private Ryan were astounding, but that cannot change the fact that all sides involved in WWII were at fault for their own ''bigotry'', yet Hitler was far more honest about it than anyone, albeit he was evidently of some Jewish ancestry. The only tears to be shed for any of that would be over how history is riddled with endless cases of misunderstanding, not some childish idea of right-wing politics attempting to overtake a brutally honest vision of world domination.
Posted 11/28/10 , edited 12/18/10

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I have a lot of respect for Don Al Capone (mobster). Who could be imprisoned and yet still be so richly appointed within a small cell? Even Don Corleone (though fictional) was a man demanding great respect. There was certainly nothing bigoted about these modern dictators and their pursuits. They honestly conducted ''criminal'' ideals of business, and spared no efforts to further their completion.
Well then, I'm honored(?) to share the same birthday with "Scarface" Al Capone, a man who didn't have to deny his intention to kill among cowards, even in the court of laws:

Capone's first arrest was on a disorderly conduct charge while he was working for Yale. He also murdered two men while in New York, early testimony to his willingness to kill. In accordance with gangland etiquette, no one admitted to hearing or seeing a thing so Capone was never tried for the murders. After Capone hospitalized a rival gang member, Yale sent him to Chicago to wait until things cooled off. Capone arrived in Chicago in 1919 and moved his family into a house at 7244 South Prairie Avenue.(citation)
No wonder the man who ordered the firebombing and subsequently the two atomic bomb drops got away with what he did:

Speaking years after the war about the incendiary bombing of Japanese cities, LeMay said:

"Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time. … I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately we were on the winning side. Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier."(citation)
Curtis LeMay thought that just because his nation got the power to kill everything in sight, he held the authority to dictate what's right. Now if that's not tyranny of the bigotry on immoral ground then I don't know what is.
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gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same





amersfoort wrote:


Mr_Entropy wrote:


gokuvsnaruto wrote:

wow...wow
so your saying killing 10milion people+ is a good thing
being called probably the most notorious man in history IS NOT A GOOD THING
all he didn was cause chaos all he did was set the war up for more war he did do a good thing no one believes he did a good thing but you he was a horriable man who took lives. Lives that you should have no reason to take.
He ruined peoples lives lives that had futures lives that will never be the same


Think of all the medical research conducted because of the near-genocide inflicted upon the Jews. Not only that, but the studies enacted in the field for the effectiveness of military equipment that we seen the Russians endure 20 millions deaths over at the hands of Hitler's military forces.

The price of progress is sacrifice.


Do you not think that the sacrifice of those who took action is being ruined by your statement, truth or not, you are not showing any respect to their sacrifices.

Perhaps you should try to be more sensitive on this subject, you might offend alot of people.


I enjoy how the two of you just missed the point.

There must be evil in the world in order to make life worthwhile. There has to be a silver lining somewhere. This thread is not a defense of Hitler or Lenin or Stalin. It does, however, state that it takes for heinous shit to happen and horrible things to go on for our best and brightest to come out, because if evil did not exist, we would all just exist for no reason. We wouldn't want to better anything, everything would be fine and we would be complacent and mediocre. If not for the evil of some, it wouldn't allow for us to be able to save live to the effect that we can today.
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Posted 11/29/10
this is not an argument dectators are the human form of a plague some worse than others.
i respect people who sacrificed themselves to keeping us safe and helped with progression (one being my great grandfather) please dont say that. but those sacrifices wouldnt have been necessary.
medical research, technology, weopens and more all come from demand_____supply and demand
you think if there was no hitler there wouldnt be a cell phone or a flu shot
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