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non echii yuri shoujo ai
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Maybe, Maria-sama ga Miteru.
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How about Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl or A Channel. They're both seinens with no real yuri elements.
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K-on is subliminal?


Didn't really watch it, but what are the arguments? Because Im planning to watch Shoujo like K-ON!


K-ON is actually a seinen.


Seeing somewhere else I've just found out which exact facts make it seinen. Now I'd say it's Shoujo/Seinen =)
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How about Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl or A Channel. They're both seinens with no real yuri elements.


Yeah, I think so too, but Yuri can be weird though.
Yuri elements are tht theyre all girls, but it's actually about the love that remained even after the sudden sex/gender change. I'ts message, so as in many other Yuri anime (especially the ones built around a bi character), is that sex/gender so as "visible" things don't matter if there's love. That's what actually makes it Yuri.
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A clarification:
Yuri is generally considered either as: having very strong sexual overtones and scenes; or being out-right porn.
Shoujo Ai is the non-ecchi girls in love genre.
The same differences apply to yaoi and shonen ai, but with men, obviously.

Kashimasi fits as non-yuri, but falls into the shoujo ai category neatly, due to the gender-change plot point.
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The target audience on K-ON is everyone.
The target audience on Seinen anime is male 18-30 years old.
K-ON is not Seinen.
And yes, there is subliminal shoujo ai in it. They go to an all girl school, so of course there`s shoujo ai in it.
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so you just want to see two anime girls who love each other but don't take it any further than that? then how about Maria Sama Ga Miteru. that's full of clean lesbianism and hilarious sexual harassment that manages to be considered tame when compared to some of the crazier shows.
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kiojonny wrote:

A clarification:
Yuri is generally considered either as: having very strong sexual overtones and scenes; or being out-right porn.
Shoujo Ai is the non-ecchi girls in love genre.
The same differences apply to yaoi and shonen ai, but with men, obviously.

Kashimasi fits as non-yuri, but falls into the shoujo ai category neatly, due to the gender-change plot point.


Actually it is, but everyday use of Yuri as term refers to Shoujo-Ai.

And about pornography, that isn't really clear in my head. Does it actually refer to real consensual porn, consensual "erotics", or sexual romance for grown-ups (like Kuttsukiboshi)?

BTW, as far as I know, Yuri, besides Lilly and Erotic-Lesbian-Anime/Manga-genre, can also mean lesbian relationship.
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Des85 wrote:

The target audience on K-ON is everyone.
The target audience on Seinen anime is male 18-30 years old.
K-ON is not Seinen.
And yes, there is subliminal shoujo ai in it. They go to an all girl school, so of course there`s shoujo ai in it.


Well if you're referring to hugz, cheek-kissing and stuff, it's completely normal for girls.
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Mrbigstick wrote:

so you just want to see two anime girls who love each other but don't take it any further than that? then how about Maria Sama Ga Miteru. that's full of clean lesbianism and hilarious sexual harassment that manages to be considered tame when compared to some of the crazier shows.


If you're refering to "Ecchi", that's not Ecchi. Ecchi usually doesn't contain sex scenes eventhough perverted characters want them. And there aren't many mainstream-Ecchi + Yuri animes. Ecchi contains perverted characters and perverted situations but they're usually funny and they never "reach the top". Ecchi can also be understood as a sub-genre of comedy.

Stuff involving sex are either romance, hardcore romance or erotica.

EDIT:
There are 3 sorts of ecchi:
1. Based around comedy. (Zero no Tsukaima...)
2. One that turns you on (also comedic but usually more "stupid" than the 1st sort).
3. Combined (some more 2, some more 1; great example: To Love-Ru)
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kiojonny wrote:

A clarification:
Yuri is generally considered either as: having very strong sexual overtones and scenes; or being out-right porn.
Shoujo Ai is the non-ecchi girls in love genre.
The same differences apply to yaoi and shonen ai, but with men, obviously.

Kashimasi fits as non-yuri, but falls into the shoujo ai category neatly, due to the gender-change plot point.


Actually it is, but everyday use of Yuri as term refers to Shoujo-Ai.

And about pornography, that isn't really clear in my head. Does it actually refer to real consensual porn, consensual "erotics", or sexual romance for grown-ups (like Kuttsukiboshi)?

BTW, as far as I know, Yuri, besides Lilly and Erotic-Lesbian-Anime/Manga-genre, can also mean lesbian relationship.


By porn, yes, all 3 of those, which I'd consider to be only two categories really ("erotic" and "adult romance" share too much for me to bother to separate them mentally most of the time): hard-core, explicit, all-the-details porn (XXX stuff); soft-core, sex is shown but no close-up insertion footage (rated R in US movie terms).
I'd consider shoujo ai to be PG-13 level romance I guess. People referring to this as yuri blurs the usefulness of the term, in a similar way to when someone calls a slasher movie a thriller. There are similarities, and both belong to the same larger genre, but they're defined by their differences.
Which lead to the confusion in the OP of looking for non-ecchi varieties of a sub-genre that is by definition either ecchi or hentai.

No point in giving examples of the first, as it's pretty easy to find.
Honeymoon Salad is a good seinen manga example of "erotic", with a fairly large number of sexual situations in around 30 chapters, while Orange Roof is more the "Adult Romance", only having one sex scene in 64 chapters. While both these series are hetero-centric, if they changed them to all-female pairings, I'd consider it Yuri, rather than shoujo ai, due to the presence of the sex.

As far as a lesbian relationship being referred to as a yuri relationship, I've heard it before and I always assumed it's because it's implied that without sex, they're not "real" lesbians, just very close female friends.
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Well if you're referring to hugz, cheek-kissing and stuff, it's completely normal for girls.


True, but thats not what I`m referring to.
Watch it again, it`s not that hard to see the Shoujo ai in it.

Remember, shoujo ai is just the soft core side of yuri, no kissing and such.
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kiojonny wrote:


cruelcore1 wrote:


kiojonny wrote:

A clarification:
Yuri is generally considered either as: having very strong sexual overtones and scenes; or being out-right porn.
Shoujo Ai is the non-ecchi girls in love genre.
The same differences apply to yaoi and shonen ai, but with men, obviously.

Kashimasi fits as non-yuri, but falls into the shoujo ai category neatly, due to the gender-change plot point.


Actually it is, but everyday use of Yuri as term refers to Shoujo-Ai.

And about pornography, that isn't really clear in my head. Does it actually refer to real consensual porn, consensual "erotics", or sexual romance for grown-ups (like Kuttsukiboshi)?

BTW, as far as I know, Yuri, besides Lilly and Erotic-Lesbian-Anime/Manga-genre, can also mean lesbian relationship.


By porn, yes, all 3 of those, which I'd consider to be only two categories really ("erotic" and "adult romance" share too much for me to bother to separate them mentally most of the time): hard-core, explicit, all-the-details porn (XXX stuff); soft-core, sex is shown but no close-up insertion footage (rated R in US movie terms).
I'd consider shoujo ai to be PG-13 level romance I guess. People referring to this as yuri blurs the usefulness of the term, in a similar way to when someone calls a slasher movie a thriller. There are similarities, and both belong to the same larger genre, but they're defined by their differences.
Which lead to the confusion in the OP of looking for non-ecchi varieties of a sub-genre that is by definition either ecchi or hentai.

No point in giving examples of the first, as it's pretty easy to find.
Honeymoon Salad is a good seinen manga example of "erotic", with a fairly large number of sexual situations in around 30 chapters, while Orange Roof is more the "Adult Romance", only having one sex scene in 64 chapters. While both these series are hetero-centric, if they changed them to all-female pairings, I'd consider it Yuri, rather than shoujo ai, due to the presence of the sex.

As far as a lesbian relationship being referred to as a yuri relationship, I've heard it before and I always assumed it's because it's implied that without sex, they're not "real" lesbians, just very close female friends.


"Adult Romance" is not something containing 1 sex scene per 64 chapters, cuz tht way everything would be adult romance.

Adult romance is similar to erotics, containing much sex, but less explicit. You usually know what they're up 2 do, but they don't show u the whole scenes (as in erotics) but only small parts of them, or the beginnings. I've watched a few movies like tht.

Also, about hentai called yuri, I agree if its something "romantic" like Shoujo Sect, but not mainstream commercial hardcore hentai. These are 2 different things.

I haven't seen many examples, from what I saw in Sasameki Koto and an ecchi anime Chu-Bra, they considered yuri-yuri a lesbian relationship, not close friendship. So it could mean both.

And yeah, Shoujo-Ai should be considered PG-13. IMO not so much cuz they're lesbians but cuz stuff like tht ain't of kids' interest before theyre teenagers.


BTW, I've found something tht could be wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_%28genre%29
section: "Japanese vs. western usage"

Shouldn't Japs use tht term to express erotic lesbian manga, and Americans Shoujo-Ai? Like here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=76
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cruelcore1 wrote:
Well if you're referring to hugz, cheek-kissing and stuff, it's completely normal for girls.


True, but thats not what I`m referring to.
Watch it again, it`s not that hard to see the Shoujo ai in it.

Remember, shoujo ai is just the soft core side of yuri, no kissing and such.


I'm actually in the process of watching.
And you're wrong about Shoujo-Ai, see my discussion with kiojonny. Shoujo-Ai is what is the same what's nowadays (wrongly) being called Yuri. That's probably why it's "subliminal", not real.
Posted 5/5/11
I'd say Kashimashi too/. Also Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru.
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