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Cartoons....have they gotten worst after the 90's?
Posted 12/5/10 , edited 12/5/10
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Yes they have.

Why do you think the major networks have not been airing saturday morning cartoons for years now? This is shocking that no one has brought this up.

Remember back then when you could see cartoons in the morning before school in your local channels? Not to mention Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS having their own competitive saturday morning blocks.

Today....look at those channels now and tell me what you see. NEWS. PAID ADVERTISING PROGRAMS. On and on and on and on and on!!!

The ideas have run dry. All the great ideas have been used up. Hell even whatever is on cable isn't much good ether except 3 or 4 shows. The REAL nicktoons is dead. Cartoon Network is anything but Cartoons. Disney Channel is whatever BS singer they wanna force on you. Who watches Disney XD anyway?

So lets face it, saturday mornings are dead!! Creativity is 90% dead (as I said there are the occasional 3 or 4 shows that are pretty good). And just about everyone wants to import whatever anime is out there, butchering and PCing it for american children, and inspire no child to be an artist and to come up with something orignal that can be a million dollar franchise.

So yes, cartoons have indeed gotten worse after the 1990's.
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Posted 12/5/10
well the disney movies like Lion King, Anastasia, Beauty and the Beast etc were da best and now I can't stand Disney and Cartoonnetwork... the shows on Cartoonnetwork i went on a rant one day because now a days the plots in cartoon suck! so many plot holes!
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Posted 12/5/10
Meh, it's just TV networks going after the lowest common denominator of entertainment. They go with what sells to their demographic.
Posted 12/5/10
A lot, but not all of them.
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I don't do cable (personal choice, not that I can't get it in my area), but yes, the overall quality of animation is sadly lacking. There are a variety of reasons:

First, kids don't have much in the way of disposable income - meaning that while they're an important market, they aren't the ones actually purchasing the so-called 'toys' that are being advertised these days.

Second, animated features cost money - sometimes quite a bit (CGI is not cheap). While some of that cost can be lowered with canned footage, it's still a good chunk of change.

Third, the brutal truth is that while 'cartoons' were always fairly simplistic in their presentation of moral values, said presentation has been thoroughly dumbed down in the last decade or so. Likewise, imported animation (Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Vision of Escaflowne, to name a few) has been brutally chopped and edited to fit the broadcast companies' and the FCC's concept of "suitable for children". It's worth noting that most of the anime that was imported did not last much longer than a season or two once the main plots strayed from that concept ("Cardcaptor Sakura has two young men in love with each other? We can't show that to kids!"). There are exceptions, of course, but they enforce rather than stray from the concept (Yu-gi-Oh and Sonic X are very simple in their presentation of morality, and there's really very little in the way of 'meat' for the plot lines.).

While the animation of days past was also simplistic in many ways, it was at least willing to look at tougher issues (the role of women in society, substance abuse, differences in creeds and religions, etc). Not so much these days, I'm afraid.

Fourth, and most important - the infomercials and sports shows generate far more income than 'animated' shows do, long term. From a business perspective, that's a very simple decision to make - you go where the money is. Kids being kids, they will find other ways to entertain themselves.

Fifth, and a bit telling - the introduction of streaming/downloaded video as an everyday part of existence also contributes to the decline of these shows on network television. Why bother to air them when you can stream them online and make a better profit? This also goes for DVD sales as well, since I'm noting a distinct trend from some studios to stream licensed material first, then once sufficient revenue is generated, release the DVD sets (Birdy the Mighty, Sekerei, and East of Eden all come to mind as recent examples).

Sunset on da Horizon mentioned changing tastes - that's true to a fair extent. Most of us would be highly embarassed to admit we thought certain shows were 'da bomb' if we saw those shows today. Still, some shows will retain their appeal despite their age (the Batman and Superman remakes, Bugs Bunny, the Roadrunner cartoons, etc), so it's perhaps not completely a matter of taste or maturity.

That's my absurdly long take on it, at least.
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Posted 12/5/10
Invader Zim was the last great cartoon of the last decade.
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Posted 12/5/10
Yes, but some are still watchable
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Posted 12/5/10
some cartoons are bad. regardless of what time period they come from
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Posted 12/5/10
Yeah.
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Posted 12/5/10
Yeah... I remember when I used to wake up early in the mornings just to watch them... so sad. My little brother doesn't even know the existence of 1/3 of the shows back then.
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Posted 12/5/10
Cartoons did seem better back then because that nostalgic feeling they give us. I'd even go so far as to say cartoons from like 15-20 years ago were far better than the ones from 11 years ago, but that's my opinion because I watched most those shows growing up. Some shows on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon these days do seem just plain horrible but the kids from this generation must like them and will probably look back in 11 years and say the same thing.

And there are some other newer cartoons that are actually pretty good. I know I'm absolutely addicted to Regular Show. It's very different from a lot of other old cartoons that I love, but that doesn't make it bad.
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Posted 12/5/10

MeanderCat wrote:


Third, the brutal truth is that while 'cartoons' were always fairly simplistic in their presentation of moral values, said presentation has been thoroughly dumbed down in the last decade or so. Likewise, imported animation (Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Vision of Escaflowne, to name a few) has been brutally chopped and edited to fit the broadcast companies' and the FCC's concept of "suitable for children". It's worth noting that most of the anime that was imported did not last much longer than a season or two once the main plots strayed from that concept ("Cardcaptor Sakura has two young men in love with each other? We can't show that to kids!"). There are exceptions, of course, but they enforce rather than stray from the concept (Yu-gi-Oh and Sonic X are very simple in their presentation of morality, and there's really very little in the way of 'meat' for the plot lines.).

While the animation of days past was also simplistic in many ways, it was at least willing to look at tougher issues (the role of women in society, substance abuse, differences in creeds and religions, etc). Not so much these days, I'm afraid.



Right there is reason why cartoons...hell network TV in general....is in the sad state it is in now.

With the exception of the Super Bowl or maybe some baseball games, I have not given a damn about network TV in probably over 10 years. When you have CSI and it's knock offs, Law and Order and it's 1000 knock offs, me-too ho hum dramas, unfunny negative false stereotyping comedies, sex filled shows that get stale after 5 minutes, some latest dumbass idea for a TV show, and rest is filled with more-scripted-than-reality shows (filled with moronic/immature stupid people just trying to get in their 15 mins of fame *coughjerseyshorecough*)...television as we know it now is the reason why more and more people are canceling their cable/sailitle TV subscriptions and going online or signing up with netflix.

Now we can watch what we want, when we want, anywhere we want thanks to the internet. With the exception of the sports channels and maybe 2 or three channels, cable/satilite TV is becoming what network TV already is.

When I had a DirecTV HD package...this is what I always watched:

ESPN

ESPN 2

ESPNews

Comcast Sportsnet

MLB Network

NFL Network

Animal Planet

NatGeo

The Weather Channel

That's it. That's all my "favorate settings" on my remote was. And anything else that I liked back in the 90's and downward was on DVD or online. Now you all know what my viewing habits are.

We now live in a sad state of society where everything has to be protected in some sort of BS political correct policy or cater to it , for the sake of making every ethinic group "feel good", with it's false misrepersentation of that group on purpose by a dead moon circus (sailor moon term) running hollywood these days. Hell you even see that in movies too, which is why I only care if the latest movie coming out now is related to a superhero or it's something like "The Expendables".

And yeah the last poster pretty much nailed it with the internet. The only way network/cable-satlitle TV can regain most of it's viewers is to break free from this stale inslavement of garbage and become orignal and creative again.
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Posted 12/5/10
They've certainly dumbed them down quite a bit, I've got nephews that watch some of it and I'm like hell no, and go to you tube so they can watch the stuff I did as a kid. They seem to like them, in fact ask to watch that more than what they show on tv.
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Posted 12/5/10
The thing that I really noticed, is that cartoon drawing are becoming REALLY BAD. We used to have pretty wel-drawn stuff like biker mice from mars and ninja turtles and samurai pizza cats etc that at least had a bit of a story line... Now all we get is bad drawn cartoons with story's re-used in every single episode and other shows we have.

So people, please, just please, go hire someone who actually can draw better than a 3 year old and make a good cartoon for once, oh ye, and fire all the story writers and go hire a mangaka, since their story's usually are pretty epic and awesome.

Though not every 1 of them is bad, but the good ideas get stolen by other shows which turn it crap, and then the next show who copies it from that show will make something less valuable than crap.
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