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JRPG Declining in Quality?
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Here in CrunchyRoll, It seems like there are JRPG Fans EVERYWHERE!!! (I may be wrong) .Anyways, while I'm also a fan of RPGs, By of 2010 I was very disappointed in JRPGs such as Final Fantasy XIII (which I consider it as one of the Biggest Flop of 2010),Arc Rise Fantasia, White Knight Chronicles and Tales of Synphonia : Dawn of the New World .There are other RECENT JRPGs I liked or a decent such as Valkyria Chronicles,The World Ends with You,Demon's Soul, Dragon Quest IX and Mario and Luigi : Inside Bowser Story.

I'm aware I'll be flamed by many JRPG Fanboys/girls but something tells me that Japan doesn't know whats a good game or a flop(in other words questionable),. JRPGs are becoming too Cliche in terms of storylines, Characters , Gameplay, Voice Acting (English only no Japan imports),Long Cutscenes(some JRPGs), Very Linear Gameplay (again, not all JRPGs) and No Break through Gameplay(Good experience for once).Hence,I hardly see any AAA JRPG titles in this generation.

I'll add more if necessary.But for now feel free to express your opinions on the current state of JRPGs.

Oh and I'll adding WRPGs later on and their state.

Note: This is Heavily Opinionated and NOT FACTUAL but I do want to prove my point here in CrunchyRoll.

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Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps it may be attributed to the meddling of the producers since they care more about the profits than the sentiments of the fan. I also wonder if the scenario writers are slacking off and just borrowing ideas from other people.

Whatever the case, the gaming industry will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't do something.
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It's true that alot of JRPG's that have been released are far below par XD. However you have to look for the really good ones like from the "tales" series. I played Tales Of Vesperia on the xbox and i loved it!. Then you have games like the Last Remnant which was not even interesting XD. Then I played Final fantasy 13 which i really enjoyed but that's probably because I am a fan of the series and the graphics were pretty lol. They're not as involving as they used ot be, they tend to be so generic now that it renders games unplayable. I've quite taken to western RPG's like Fallout and Oblivion.
Good observaion!
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All rpg's are declining, just like the rest fo the gaming industry. Whilst now it is hard to think of an original idea, most computer game development companies are creating games like painting by numbers. All companies think about now are top notch graphics whilst the game itself takes a second seat.

Most over hyped game of all time world of warcraft.

RPG's are about exploring and adventuring, so give us a world to explore, ES4: Oblivion was close but the world was far to small.... it needs to be bigger X1000 times bigger :D.... now that is what I call going out for some exploring and adventuring.
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It's more of because western developers are saying JRPG is not RPG and Japanese developers are trying to make something that will appeal to the other players other than it's fans (which is us).

There's this article from Sankaku Complex awhile back:
[Please do remember that the title "Final Fantasy XIII" is not the main attraction]

Bioware: “Final Fantasy XIII Definitely Not An RPG”

Leading western RPG developer Bioware has said that hit corridor crawler Final Fantasy XIII “isn’t an RPG.”

Commenting on the development of Star Wars: The Old Republic, Bioware’s Writing Director Daniel Erickson launched into an opportunistic salvo against Final Fantasy XIII:


“Well, before I address the main point I just want to take a slightly more controversial route: You can put a ‘J’ in front of it, but it’s not an RPG.

You don’t make any choices, you don’t create a character, you don’t live your character… I don’t know what those are – adventure games maybe? But they’re not RPG’s.”


Bioware has previously criticised JRPGs as being “stagnant,” so it is by now no secret that the company has a low opinion of a genre which in fairness has only a tangential connection to the original conception of a “role playing game” – “stats based dungeon crawler” might be a fairer description.



RPG is for Role Playing Game right? For me it means you play as the role of the protagonists of the game. It's not how the battle system is played, of course, it has these huge dialogues and cut scenes in it. It also seems that western developers tends to like text based and desk game RPGs and that is what's they're basing RPG games from.
Posted 12/9/10
maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem, hell there not even going to release the new ps3 tales game here and it's region blocked for USA ps3's. To be fair i prefer playing them on the hand-held now, so many great games to choose from for the psp and ds it's not even funny.
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All rpg's are declining, just like the rest fo the gaming industry. Whilst now it is hard to think of an original idea, most computer game development companies are creating games like painting by numbers. All companies think about now are top notch graphics whilst the game itself takes a second seat.

Most over hyped game of all time world of warcraft.

RPG's are about exploring and adventuring, so give us a world to explore, ES4: Oblivion was close but the world was far to small.... it needs to be bigger X1000 times bigger :D.... now that is what I call going out for some exploring and adventuring.


that's what mods are for.
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maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem


Amen to that
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PaladianCecil213 wrote:

maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem.


That's not my point of my topic. My point is that JRPGs these days haven't been giving any AAA titles. This is not about JRPGs being in great number of titles, produce and into the gaming library.It's about what RPGs is suppose to be: Making choices/decision,A story that is told in the progression of the gameplay and not on long cut scenes, Development of Characters and Story (not making it Melodramatic and Overused) and more Flexibility in Playable Characters in my opinion.

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PaladianCecil213 wrote:

maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem.


That's not my point of my topic. My point is that JRPGs these days haven't been giving any AAA titles. This is not about JRPGs being in great number of titles, produce and into the gaming library.It's about what RPGs is suppose to be: Making choices/decision,A story that is told in the progression of the gameplay and not on long cut scenes, Development of Characters and Story (not making it Melodramatic and Overused) and more Flexibility in Playable Characters in my opinion.



the point is some of those games are great but have never seen the light day in the states, i have tales of innocence for the ds which plays like tales of the abyss and has a great story, problem is there is no "commercial release" for the game. I had to download the rom and patch it with a fan translation in order to play it. Yeah there are some crappy games but most tales games are good, heck there are alot of great jrpgs that NISA has picked as well as XSEED games for localization. It's a double problem if you ask me, there needs to be more goods brought state side and just better games overall, but to be blunt I don't think there ever will truly be a great or outstanding 3d jrpg this gen. Lost odyssey comes close but still fell a little short. Games Like Disgaea or phatom brave however prove that you can have a great game with out all the gilts and glamor as well, which is why i stated I prefer playing Jrpgs now on the psp and ds since they are getting the most attention with the genre anyways.

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PaladianCecil213 wrote:


x_Twilight_x wrote:


PaladianCecil213 wrote:

maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem.


That's not my point of my topic. My point is that JRPGs these days haven't been giving any AAA titles. This is not about JRPGs being in great number of titles, produce and into the gaming library.It's about what RPGs is suppose to be: Making choices/decision,A story that is told in the progression of the gameplay and not on long cut scenes, Development of Characters and Story (not making it Melodramatic and Overused) and more Flexibility in Playable Characters in my opinion.



which is why i stated I prefer playing Jrpgs now on the psp and ds since they are getting the most attention with the genre anyways.



I have notice the fact that a lot of JRPGs ,including Square Enix titles, are doing better in Handheld consoles than their more powerful relatives.- as stated on most of the games on my post-.(Valkyria Chronicles 2 could have done better)

Side tracking a bit here.Do you think the Final Fantasy series is taking a nose dive of their brand?*Gets ready to take on the Fanboys/Girls outside of this conversation
Posted 12/10/10

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PaladianCecil213 wrote:


x_Twilight_x wrote:


PaladianCecil213 wrote:

maybe if bandi namco of america would get off it's ass and release more tales games stat sides or jrpgs in general there wouldn't be such a problem.


That's not my point of my topic. My point is that JRPGs these days haven't been giving any AAA titles. This is not about JRPGs being in great number of titles, produce and into the gaming library.It's about what RPGs is suppose to be: Making choices/decision,A story that is told in the progression of the gameplay and not on long cut scenes, Development of Characters and Story (not making it Melodramatic and Overused) and more Flexibility in Playable Characters in my opinion.



which is why i stated I prefer playing Jrpgs now on the psp and ds since they are getting the most attention with the genre anyways.



I have notice the fact that a lot of JRPGs ,including Square Enix titles, are doing better in Handheld consoles than their more powerful relatives.- as stated on most of the games on my post-.(Valkyria Chronicles 2 could have done better)

Side tracking a bit here.Do you think the Final Fantasy series is taking a nose dive of their brand?*Gets ready to take on the Fanboys/Girls outside of this conversation


the newer games yes they have, i didn't even play all of 13 or even 12, 10 i still replay ever year lol but i do think the remakes for the ds and psp even the kingdom hearts games are doing well. I will say it i was very disappointed in 13, the woman where hot, it was really really pretty too look at but that's all i can really say good. Heck I had more fun playing the last remnant on 360
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it's because of the high cost of production , game companies focus on gameplay and they don't try to experiment with the genre becasue it's risky. honestly i stopped giving square-enix attention after FF:X ... now i give my attention to overlooked japanese companies they experiment with the games and try to deliver a fun experience . my n°1 favorite video game company is Atlus they try different things and it works for them pretty well .

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They don't focus on game play, they focus on cutting edge graphics to cover up for lack luster programming and that why so so so many games are just not worth entaining a moment of thought in actually playing.

And to the earlier comment. I don't want mods with my games as most or if not all mods are pretty much useless, unbalanced, unstable or just damn right stupid. Saying that I am seriously looking forward to Blackmesa, the HL2 that recreates the orginal HL game using the source engine.
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