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JRPG Declining in Quality?
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It's because foreign, namely, Western gamers are demanding too much from Japanese developers, and the Japanese developers doesn't understand the needs of the foreign gamers. In short, for a fact example, Western gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on steroids while Eastern, namely Japanese gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on crack. There's only a handful of gamers like us who adores JRPGs and we're not even close enough to support our favorite Japanese game studios.

The ones who're best to be held responsibility is US games news sites. They gave out shitty reviews of games that did 4-10 times better in its native country, but the ones that are most responsible is its readers who blindly follows what the author of the article wrote. Even more, US game developers even said that JRPG is not RPG. What the hell is that?
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Posted 12/16/10

vza004 wrote:

It's because foreign, namely, Western gamers are demanding too much from Japanese developers, and the Japanese developers doesn't understand the needs of the foreign gamers. In short, for a fact example, Western gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on steroids while Eastern, namely Japanese gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on crack. There's only a handful of gamers like us who adores JRPGs and we're not even close enough to support our favorite Japanese game studios.

The ones who're best to be held responsibility is US games news sites. They gave out sh**ty reviews of games that did 4-10 times better in its native country, but the ones that are most responsible is its readers who blindly follows what the author of the article wrote. Even more, US game developers even said that JRPG is not RPG. What the hell is that?


Demanding What? May I ask.The Japanese Gaming Industry is NOT like the Western side.The main problem for Japanese game developers today-mainly RPG terms-is that they are trying to aim towards western gaming market which in a way is unhealthy for the reputation of Japanese gaming.In most cases of WRPGs you can customise your character.Not all Japanese Video Game Characters Look Like Bishōnen.

A Claim That You Cannot Back Up.

I can say the same for Japanese game reviewers such as Famitsu,a very questionable reviews and gaming source.

Not all JRPGs fall under this category as stated on the lisit of games I mention that were good;In other cases,however, .Either way, outside of the JRPG genre, there are many Japanese Developers AND Games and are STILL doing well such as Nintendo-Yes, It is a Japanese Game Company-,Capcom,Atlus,Team Ico,Konami and Platinum Games.Heck, I can name many Japanese games that a AAA title or were outstanding.Also, there were only 3 games currently in this generation that scored a perfect 10 and 2 out of 3 games were Japanese games and they are Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 .


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Posted 12/16/10 , edited 12/16/10

x_Twilight_x wrote:


vza004 wrote:

It's because foreign, namely, Western gamers are demanding too much from Japanese developers, and the Japanese developers doesn't understand the needs of the foreign gamers. In short, for a fact example, Western gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on steroids while Eastern, namely Japanese gamers prefer their heroes to look like they're on crack. There's only a handful of gamers like us who adores JRPGs and we're not even close enough to support our favorite Japanese game studios.

The ones who're best to be held responsibility is US games news sites. They gave out sh**ty reviews of games that did 4-10 times better in its native country, but the ones that are most responsible is its readers who blindly follows what the author of the article wrote. Even more, US game developers even said that JRPG is not RPG. What the hell is that?


Demanding What? May I ask.The Japanese Gaming Industry is NOT like the Western side.The main problem for Japanese game developers today-mainly RPG terms-is that they are trying to aim towards western gaming market which in a way is unhealthy for the reputation of Japanese gaming.In most cases of WRPGs you can customise your character.Not all Japanese Video Game Characters Look Like Bishōnen.

A Claim That You Cannot Back Up.

I can say the same for Japanese game reviewers such as Famitsu,a very questionable reviews and gaming source.

Not all JRPGs fall under this category as stated on the lisit of games I mention that were good;In other cases,however, .Either way, outside of the JRPG genre, there are many Japanese Developers AND Games and are STILL doing well such as Nintendo-Yes, It is a Japanese Game Company-,Capcom,Atlus,Team Ico,Konami and Platinum Games.Heck, I can name many Japanese games that a AAA title or were outstanding.Also, there were only 3 games currently in this generation that scored a perfect 10 and 2 out of 3 games were Japanese games and they are Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 .


Please Tell Me Your Definition of a Role Playing Game.



What I want to say is, what you just said. So you're right.

I don't have any proof, but I am not wrong either.

I agree.

They're AAA game studios, but can they deliver a JRPG game that will revive the JRPG genre for the big consoles? Nintendo has always been weak, but they have never been bad. That's because their gaming style has never change. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 has the best scores, but were they ever acknowledged as JRPGs?

They could mean any genre. As long as you play as any character, that is Role Playing. But RPG has always been a genre where you can grow and customize your character. Also, please read this little article: http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8006/bioware-you-can-put-a-j-in-front-of-it-but-final-fantasy-13-isnt-an-rpg. Also, keep in mind that this article is also indirectly referring to all JRPGs. It might not mean anything, but it does mean something.

Anyways, I do agree with you more or less. You're statements has made me understand more.
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Posted 12/17/10

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Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps it may be attributed to the meddling of the producers since they care more about the profits than the sentiments of the fan. I also wonder if the scenario writers are slacking off and just borrowing ideas from other people.

Whatever the case, the gaming industry will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't do something.


untrue, whatever the "CASE" people will still buy them - eye candy + a little bit of hype + fanboys = success. The industry is getting worse but more kids are getting attracted to those shitty games resulting in more income. Fanboys will be fanboys, even if the game is SHIT they'll buy it and besides they reap more than they sow.
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They're AAA game studios, but can they deliver a JRPG game that will revive the JRPG genre for the big consoles? Nintendo has always been weak, but they have never been bad. That's because their gaming style has never change. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 has the best scores, but were they ever acknowledged as JRPGs?

They could mean any genre. As long as you play as any character, that is Role Playing. But RPG has always been a genre where you can grow and customize your character. Also, please read this little article: http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8006/bioware-you-can-put-a-j-in-front-of-it-but-final-fantasy-13-isnt-an-rpg. Also, keep in mind that this article is also indirectly referring to all JRPGs. It might not mean anything, but it does mean something.

Anyways, I do agree with you more or less. You're statements has made me understand more.



They will find a way eventually as it has happened before in the platformer genre where it almost died out.
Nintendo is far from weak. They are sometimes very unpredictable in my opinion.They do change,its just that nobody notices it.

By this "article" are you referring to this Topic/Forum post?

Wow,Your the First in Crunchyroll to take my statements/post seriously .Apparently,I am pretty Critical on what people say on forums (unless they are trolls) and so far I said before, your the first.(Or one of the first )
Posted 12/17/10
i just find this funny that you get final fantasy 13 now for 20 bucks pre-owned, ouch
Posted 12/17/10

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Maou068 wrote:

Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps it may be attributed to the meddling of the producers since they care more about the profits than the sentiments of the fan. I also wonder if the scenario writers are slacking off and just borrowing ideas from other people.

Whatever the case, the gaming industry will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't do something.


untrue, whatever the "CASE" people will still buy them - eye candy + a little bit of hype + fanboys = success. The industry is getting worse but more kids are getting attracted to those shitty games resulting in more income. Fanboys will be fanboys, even if the game is SHIT they'll buy it and besides they reap more than they sow.


none of those games as shitty as they are can add up the shovel ware shit for the WII, i would gladly play generic jrpg 24523532 any day than some game called "Imagine party babyz" or "wii carnival games"
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x_Twilight_x wrote:




They're AAA game studios, but can they deliver a JRPG game that will revive the JRPG genre for the big consoles? Nintendo has always been weak, but they have never been bad. That's because their gaming style has never change. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 has the best scores, but were they ever acknowledged as JRPGs?

They could mean any genre. As long as you play as any character, that is Role Playing. But RPG has always been a genre where you can grow and customize your character. Also, please read this little article: http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8006/bioware-you-can-put-a-j-in-front-of-it-but-final-fantasy-13-isnt-an-rpg. Also, keep in mind that this article is also indirectly referring to all JRPGs. It might not mean anything, but it does mean something.

Anyways, I do agree with you more or less. You're statements has made me understand more.



They will find a way eventually as it has happened before in the platformer genre where it almost died out.
Nintendo is far from weak. They are sometimes very unpredictable in my opinion.They do change,its just that nobody notices it.

By this "article" are you referring to this Topic/Forum post?

Wow,Your the First in Crunchyroll to take my statements/post seriously .Apparently,I am pretty Critical on what people say on forums (unless they are trolls) and so far I said before, your the first.(Or one of the first )


The link on the post.
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Posted 12/18/10 , edited 12/18/10

PaladianCecil213 wrote:


johnkx wrote:


Maou068 wrote:

Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps it may be attributed to the meddling of the producers since they care more about the profits than the sentiments of the fan. I also wonder if the scenario writers are slacking off and just borrowing ideas from other people.

Whatever the case, the gaming industry will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't do something.


untrue, whatever the "CASE" people will still buy them - eye candy + a little bit of hype + fanboys = success. The industry is getting worse but more kids are getting attracted to those sh**ty games resulting in more income. Fanboys will be fanboys, even if the game is SH*T they'll buy it and besides they reap more than they sow.


none of those games as sh**ty as they are can add up the shovel ware sh*t for the WII, i would gladly play generic jrpg 24523532 any day than some game called "Imagine party babyz" or "wii carnival games"


At Least in most cases we know that shovelware games won't sell well or attract/form a fanbase and will be poorly received. In johnkx's term,however, he stats that if a well known game (or Game Franchise) is a flop/not well received as it suppose to be or critically panned the Game Developers know that idiots like fanboys/girls and "Brogamers" will buy it due to the fact it has the *insert a Popular Game Series* name on it.(johnkx ,I may be wrong about what you are trying to say)

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Posted 12/18/10

x_Twilight_x wrote:


PaladianCecil213 wrote:


johnkx wrote:


Maou068 wrote:

Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps it may be attributed to the meddling of the producers since they care more about the profits than the sentiments of the fan. I also wonder if the scenario writers are slacking off and just borrowing ideas from other people.

Whatever the case, the gaming industry will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't do something.


untrue, whatever the "CASE" people will still buy them - eye candy + a little bit of hype + fanboys = success. The industry is getting worse but more kids are getting attracted to those sh**ty games resulting in more income. Fanboys will be fanboys, even if the game is SH*T they'll buy it and besides they reap more than they sow.


none of those games as sh**ty as they are can add up the shovel ware sh*t for the WII, i would gladly play generic jrpg 24523532 any day than some game called "Imagine party babyz" or "wii carnival games"


At Least in most cases we know that shovelware games won't sell well or attract/form a fanbase and will be poorly received. In johnkx's term,however, he stats that if a well known game (or Game Franchise) is a flop/not well received as it suppose to be or critically panned the Game Developers know that idiots like fanboys/girls and "Brogamers" will buy it due to the fact it has the *insert a Popular Game Series* name on it.(johnkx ,I may be wrong about what you are trying to say)

And Please retain your cussing in this Topic


thing is "party and shovel ware games" do sell due to the fact that the grab the "causal gamer market" which has grown a lot since the ds and wii where released. I am not saying that they are bad systems but when there are more games like uno or bejeweled rather than a solid hardcore game that sells well it show what way the industry is heading. It's also a huge failure on namco bandai of america's part since they never MARKET there freaking games out side of "soul caliber" or "tekken" and they wonder why there rpg franchises sell like crap in the states. I have nearly every tales game and under the radar jrpg that namco or nisa has ever released and to be frank they are quite good and I am quite happy with those games. Yes I also do know what you mean all you have to do in this day and age is slap "call of duty" on the title and people go nuts, I will admit i had fun until "world at war" until they decided to get rid of the dedicated serves and so forth but this is going way of track and I do apologize for that. I bought final fantasy 13 hoping it would be great and well all i can say is wow just wow. Also sorry about the cussing I didn't mean to offend you but you should have typed "refrain" not "retain"
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I believe part of the reason they're declining in quality is because of the increased graphics on new systems. I had read an article which basically quoted companies like Square Enix (Square Enix included) saying that with how much time they have to spend on graphics now they're finding it hard to create enough in-depth enviroments to create a 40-50 hour game. So basically they're not spending as much time on the story which is generally the main reason why most people like RPG games so much.
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Well I've been a fan of JRPGs for quite some time, and with the exception of the most recent "Final Fantasy" game, none of the newer stuff cries out "great". I think the "Tales of" games are fun,(I've played Symphonia and Vesperia) but there not masterpieces. I'd wish they would make a new "Shadow Hearts" game or have the creator of the "Xenogears/Xenosaga" games create a new JRPG, given his expert storytelling. So, maybe its time to revisit classics like "Chrono Trigger", still the greatest JRPG for the Super NES, and one of my 10 all time favorite JRPGs of all time. On the other hand, there are western RPGs that I love, like the two "Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic" games and "Jade Empire". I think it could be a matter of time before there's a new golden age of JRPGs in the future.
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PaladianCecil213 wrote:



I bought final fantasy 13 hoping it would be great and well all i can say is wow just wow. Also sorry about the cussing I didn't mean to offend you but you should have typed "refrain" not "retain"


By saying "wow" do you mean it was groundbreaking?

Opps! It looks like I made a error back there.I'll have to be careful next time.
Posted 12/18/10

x_Twilight_x wrote:




PaladianCecil213 wrote:



I bought final fantasy 13 hoping it would be great and well all i can say is wow just wow. Also sorry about the cussing I didn't mean to offend you but you should have typed "refrain" not "retain"


By saying "wow" do you mean it was groundbreaking?
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Opps! It looks like I made a error back there.I'll have to be careful next time.


wow as in i wasted 60 bucks on a pile of garbage
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Honestly, if Final Fantasy XIII didn't bare the Final Fantasy title, it would do great. It's a nice game, but not Final Fantasy material.
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