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JRPG Declining in Quality?
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I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.
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I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.


that's gotta do more with the fact in how those games are marketed. You can even go by the ratings if you want to, jrpgs most if not all are marketed to teens and young adults while western rpgs "like the ones you mentioned" are more marketed towards young/older adults. That's going with out saying that most jrpgs get the typical teen rating while western rpgs get the rated "m" for mature rating.
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I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.


that's gotta do more with the fact in how those games are marketed. You can even go by the ratings if you want to, jrpgs most if not all are marketed to teens and young adults while western rpgs "like the ones you mentioned" are more marketed towards young/older adults. That's going with out saying that most jrpgs get the typical teen rating while western rpgs get the rated "m" for mature rating.


Marketing is a big part of it, yes. But games are made with specific demographics in mind fairly early on in their development. Role playing games in the west are typically popular with the young adult and over crowd, so games like that tend to be made with more mature themes. Japanese RPGs intended demographic is the teen age group, which isn't to say that older gamers won't get a kick out of playing them to. That's just where their built-in audience is.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


TobiaSR32 wrote:

I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.


that's gotta do more with the fact in how those games are marketed. You can even go by the ratings if you want to, jrpgs most if not all are marketed to teens and young adults while western rpgs "like the ones you mentioned" are more marketed towards young/older adults. That's going with out saying that most jrpgs get the typical teen rating while western rpgs get the rated "m" for mature rating.


Marketing is a big part of it, yes. But games are made with specific demographics in mind fairly early on in their development. Role playing games in the west are typically popular with the young adult and over crowd, so games like that tend to be made with more mature themes. Japanese RPGs intended demographic is the teen age group, which isn't to say that older gamers won't get a kick out of playing them to. That's just where their built-in audience is.


well yeah there is that aspect as well, there are still many gamers that don't really like jrpgs because of slim selection of being able to play as an adult or mod the game "since most western rpgs are on the pc" I will say this I do love both generes that are offered and play them to death heck I have 200 hours in fallout 3 and disgaea hour of dakness.
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Have to agree, the level of JRPG's is massively declining, plus over here in england we barley get any of the titles.
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Have to agree, the level of JRPG's is massively declining, plus over here in england we barley get any of the titles.


well you could always import American titles on the psp and ds since those games region free.
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True, but what good titles are on those two?
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


TobiaSR32 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


TobiaSR32 wrote:

I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.


that's gotta do more with the fact in how those games are marketed. You can even go by the ratings if you want to, jrpgs most if not all are marketed to teens and young adults while western rpgs "like the ones you mentioned" are more marketed towards young/older adults. That's going with out saying that most jrpgs get the typical teen rating while western rpgs get the rated "m" for mature rating.


Marketing is a big part of it, yes. But games are made with specific demographics in mind fairly early on in their development. Role playing games in the west are typically popular with the young adult and over crowd, so games like that tend to be made with more mature themes. Japanese RPGs intended demographic is the teen age group, which isn't to say that older gamers won't get a kick out of playing them to. That's just where their built-in audience is.


well yeah there is that aspect as well, there are still many gamers that don't really like jrpgs because of slim selection of being able to play as an adult or mod the game "since most western rpgs are on the pc" I will say this I do love both generes that are offered and play them to death heck I have 200 hours in fallout 3 and disgaea hour of dakness.


I think so, too. Persona 3 and 4 are two of my favorite RPGs of all time. I'm not a big fan of the Fallout series. Mass Effect was more my thing.
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TobiaSR32 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


TobiaSR32 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


TobiaSR32 wrote:

I've noticed that RPGs made in Japan typically are simpler in terms of story. You get a lot of "young teen out to save the world" stuff more often than western RPGs. Not that I don't enjoy games like that. But western gamers tend to like games that give a more harrowing experience when it comes to making decisions like in games like Elder Scrolls or the Mass Effect series.


that's gotta do more with the fact in how those games are marketed. You can even go by the ratings if you want to, jrpgs most if not all are marketed to teens and young adults while western rpgs "like the ones you mentioned" are more marketed towards young/older adults. That's going with out saying that most jrpgs get the typical teen rating while western rpgs get the rated "m" for mature rating.


Marketing is a big part of it, yes. But games are made with specific demographics in mind fairly early on in their development. Role playing games in the west are typically popular with the young adult and over crowd, so games like that tend to be made with more mature themes. Japanese RPGs intended demographic is the teen age group, which isn't to say that older gamers won't get a kick out of playing them to. That's just where their built-in audience is.


well yeah there is that aspect as well, there are still many gamers that don't really like jrpgs because of slim selection of being able to play as an adult or mod the game "since most western rpgs are on the pc" I will say this I do love both generes that are offered and play them to death heck I have 200 hours in fallout 3 and disgaea hour of dakness.


I think so, too. Persona 3 and 4 are two of my favorite RPGs of all time. I'm not a big fan of the Fallout series. Mass Effect was more my thing.


not giong to say i hated mass effect it just didn't pull me in for some reason then agian i was drunk when played the 1st one... also well i will upload mod pics later.
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don't forget that some Japanese developers (Square-enix, ...) are trying to compete with the western companies , so they create games that might appeal to the western games , that's how we got FF13 it was about simple gameplay and action ... i didn't like it ....

the small Japanese companies are getting bankrupt because they can't compete with the big shots and at the same time they can't rely on fans forever and that's all they can do , since their budget is limited , they can't advertise heavily and no publisher would want their games because it's a risk ... heck , Flight-Plan just got bankrupt last year ! ... they make summon night games , they were popular on GBA .

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Besides the cost of games being so high that it's harder for companies to get new/unique IPs through (though new companies continue to start up and produce games so that excuse can be argued)


In my opinion another reason that JRPGs are declining, is due to the fact that WE are growing up.

I love Role Playing Games, ones with exploration, ones with great story, ones that let me play through the story like a movie with a few choices, ones that let me play through the story like if reading an epic book, and ones that allow me to play through an over arching story as someone that I customized and defined.

And though all of us, even on this forum, have different opinions and views of which RPGs are "Greats" and top 10 material, for JRPGs most all would put the Tales series, the earlier FF series, Chrono Trigger, etc... And for those of us whom played those games in our teens, are now adults and have a different understanding and thought process on morality/reality. So though I may read through one of my favorite teen books and still enjoy it. It does not fullfill me the same way it used to. And I can replay Chrono trigger (which I am doing now on my phone, which is why I LOVE technology) It isn't as epic as it was back on my first few play throughs. Not because the game itself has changed, but because I have. Japanese rpg developers are not fully trying to keep up with that, and are wandering why they are losing in the western market.

The new "teen" generation in the western market grew up on the xbox and ps2, voice chatting, online play, graphics, and most of all CHOICE. They don't want to sit down for 40 hours (hopefully broken up and not all at once :p) and be fed a long story. They wan't to be able to feel accomplished in doing something (most kills, being a bad person, being a good person, killing the annoying shop keeper, having the choice to save the girl or not) Traditional JRPGs don't offer this to the degree that the hyperactive attention lacking western teen needs. While as the western RPG fans grow up and wan't something more adult, the Western developers are giving them that. The Japanese developers are still marketing towards teens (in graphics and unfortunately story) Which back to "in my opinion" is why they are lacking and slowly fading in western culture.

P.S. This is a generic reasoning, and so will not hold up to individual "well I still like teen stuff" or "I'm not fully an adult or have braced adulthood yet" This is more for the "I love/loved JRPGs, but now that reality has smacked me in the face and I'm married and kids and career I want all that JRPGs can give, but I wan't them marketed towards my demographic"
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Besides the cost of games being so high that it's harder for companies to get new/unique IPs through (though new companies continue to start up and produce games so that excuse can be argued)


In my opinion another reason that JRPGs are declining, is due to the fact that WE are growing up.

I love Role Playing Games, ones with exploration, ones with great story, ones that let me play through the story like a movie with a few choices, ones that let me play through the story like if reading an epic book, and ones that allow me to play through an over arching story as someone that I customized and defined.

And though all of us, even on this forum, have different opinions and views of which RPGs are "Greats" and top 10 material, for JRPGs most all would put the Tales series, the earlier FF series, Chrono Trigger, etc... And for those of us whom played those games in our teens, are now adults and have a different understanding and thought process on morality/reality. So though I may read through one of my favorite teen books and still enjoy it. It does not fullfill me the same way it used to. And I can replay Chrono trigger (which I am doing now on my phone, which is why I LOVE technology) It isn't as epic as it was back on my first few play throughs. Not because the game itself has changed, but because I have. Japanese rpg developers are not fully trying to keep up with that, and are wandering why they are losing in the western market.

The new "teen" generation in the western market grew up on the xbox and ps2, voice chatting, online play, graphics, and most of all CHOICE. They don't want to sit down for 40 hours (hopefully broken up and not all at once :p) and be fed a long story. They wan't to be able to feel accomplished in doing something (most kills, being a bad person, being a good person, killing the annoying shop keeper, having the choice to save the girl or not) Traditional JRPGs don't offer this to the degree that the hyperactive attention lacking western teen needs. While as the western RPG fans grow up and wan't something more adult, the Western developers are giving them that. The Japanese developers are still marketing towards teens (in graphics and unfortunately story) Which back to "in my opinion" is why they are lacking and slowly fading in western culture.

P.S. This is a generic reasoning, and so will not hold up to individual "well I still like teen stuff" or "I'm not fully an adult or have braced adulthood yet" This is more for the "I love/loved JRPGs, but now that reality has smacked me in the face and I'm married and kids and career I want all that JRPGs can give, but I wan't them marketed towards my demographic"


to be honest with you some of the greatest rpgs to date are on the hand helds which is a growing market by it's self I hardly play any jrpgs on a console anymore "expect for nisa games" since they stick to the original 2d style of characters and crazy stories Hand helds have that unqie ability to say we can make a fun game that some wants to play at a cheaper cost but still be fun in doing so, so many hours lost in disgea it's not even fun. Since most of their games are strategy rpgs which has you building up armies leveling up items to level 999, and even your characters up to level 9999 there is always a reason to go back to play even it's to master ever ability for one character. One the western rpg front i have also spent countless hours on fallout 3 and diablo 2 to the point my clicking finger hurts like hell but hey i play all sorts of games now. You can even guess that my profile name comes from on of my favorite rpgs of all time FFIV
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Is it me or are you PaladianCecil213,who is now unactive?Your user names are somewhat similar.
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Is it me or are you PaladianCecil213,who is now unactive?Your user names are somewhat similar.


you would be correct sir/madm
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